I'm looking for a pony keg or torpedo keg of hard cider in Durham. I already called Sam's and they can only get full kegs. I'm pretty much assuming at this point my best bet is to just buy bottles of cider

10/3/2011 10:17:57 AM

I know total wine can order pretty much any keg...also the food lion near me can also do the same.

10/3/2011 10:26:45 AM

^ Called Total Wine just now. Full kegs only from them too. Methinks the cider breweries don't bother making the smaller sizes. Oh well.

10/3/2011 10:30:13 AM

Go full, girrrl.

10/3/2011 10:32:55 AM

There are 14 12-ounce cups in a pony keg.


Just buy 14 bottles.

10/3/2011 10:56:11 AM

holy shit you are stupid. You own a restaurant and you cant do simple math.

there are ~80 12oz servings in a pony keg.

14 bottles? how fucking dumb can you be? have you ever seen a quarter barrel keg before? Do you really thing that there are only 14 servings in it?

10/3/2011 10:59:59 AM

Harsh, much?

10/3/2011 11:02:18 AM

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"Go full, girrrl."

lol if it was for me I totally would but it's for a work function I'm organizing and they were very particular about how much I order

^^^

[Edited on October 3, 2011 at 11:03 AM. Reason : a]

10/3/2011 11:02:55 AM

Quote :

"holy shit you are stupid. You own a restaurant and you cant do simple math."

who the hell thinks ANY sized keg only holds 14 beers? he's got to be trolling...

10/3/2011 11:07:39 AM

^^ do you work with/for high school girls?

hard cider, really?

10/3/2011 12:12:15 PM

It's for a bunch of Euros lol.

10/3/2011 12:13:50 PM

He must think this is a pony keg.

10/3/2011 12:38:26 PM

The "restaurant" he owns serves beer. I fail to understand how he could not know what a pony or quarter keg is if he deals with beer distributors and sells beer. He may not have beer on tap, but he should know the price points of each bottled beer and its draft counterpart so that he can price it accordingly.

I really hope he is trolling, but im pretty sure he is just stupid

10/3/2011 12:52:36 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keg#U.S._keg_sizes

10/3/2011 1:13:36 PM

^ i was waiting for that

10/3/2011 5:40:49 PM

I was quoting from here:

http://www.ehow.com/facts_5003865_how-many-beers-mini-keg.html


If you'd like to call them stupid go ahead. I don't do kegs. Owning a restaurant and knowing kegs sizes are mutually exclusive.

[Edited on October 3, 2011 at 5:49 PM. Reason : .]

10/3/2011 5:48:01 PM

So is not knowing keg sizes and talking like you know keg sizes.

or something

10/3/2011 6:00:34 PM

A simple "No, that's a mini keg, not a pony keg" will suffice.

I know it's hard for you to understand how I derived a pony to be a miniature horse.

10/3/2011 6:08:26 PM

80, 14, same shit

10/3/2011 6:20:50 PM

You still don't understand.

10/3/2011 6:24:56 PM

I understand your failure to understand.

10/3/2011 6:26:31 PM

Clearly you don't and you will continue to argue about it regardless of how wrong you are.

10/3/2011 6:28:28 PM

This is not an argument this is a thread where someone that "doesn't do kegs" tried to give keg advice and failed.

10/3/2011 6:34:05 PM

10/3/2011 6:45:46 PM

If you werent so stupid you would realize there is a much larger profit margin in kegs rather than bottles. The fact that you have never researched this once again proves that you are a stupid horrible business owner.

And where in the OP did it say anything about mini kegs? And a pony is not a miniature horse. Fucking dumbass again. http://habee.hubpages.com/hub/Miniature-Horse-vs-Pony-Whats-the-Difference

And for some reason you still think that Bweez is wrong and doesnt understand.

everytime i see that "genius"boy has responded to a thread i have to go and check to see why it hasnt been moved to chit chat yet

[Edited on October 3, 2011 at 7:15 PM. Reason : ]

10/3/2011 7:10:47 PM

I'm sorry you can't understand, either. You're in the same boat as Bweez. Your unwillingness to understand is a testament to your trolling.

A miniature horse and a "miniature horse" are two different things.


[Edited on October 3, 2011 at 7:21 PM. Reason : .]

10/3/2011 7:16:31 PM

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"If you werent so stupid you would realize there is a much larger profit margin in kegs rather than bottles. The fact that you have never researched this once again proves that you are a stupid horrible business owner. "

Variables you've listed: Larger profit margin.









Variables you've missed:

Kegs have limited beer selection.
Kegs take up enormous amount of space.
Kegs have a short shelf life.
Kegs need refrigeration space. ($$$)
Kegs need to be kept between a certain temperature at all time. (Bottles can be stored in room temperature and are even transported on non-refrigerated trucks.)
Kegs need tubes, pumps, taps, and other equipment to dispense.
Kegs cannot be sold in 6,12,24 packs for customers to leave the premises with.
Kegs nor cups of beer can leave the premises to accommodate beer delivery service.
Kegs are too big to carry a large selection unless you are a place that only sells beer. However, I am a pizza place.

Last but not least:
Taps are messy and its surrounding area is hard to keep clean. You would know this if you've worked behind the counter of a bar that serves beer from kegs. The floors are constantly sticky from overflowed beer, spilled beer, or beer over spray.



This slam dunk was brought to you by me:





[Edited on October 3, 2011 at 8:05 PM. Reason : .]

10/3/2011 8:00:42 PM

^You forgot one variable: accidentally ordering a 14 serving keg instead of an 82 serving keg.

10/3/2011 11:49:32 PM

^ You're just trolling now. It's a mistake of definition; one I also made until I looked it up. Let it go.

10/3/2011 11:53:42 PM

just trolling a troll.

trololol.

[Edited on October 4, 2011 at 12:24 AM. Reason : .]

10/4/2011 12:13:48 AM

trollception

10/4/2011 12:25:26 AM

Quote :

"just trolling a troll. trololol. "

likely story.

10/4/2011 12:47:06 AM

I never said you need to carry kegs, i said as a restaurant owner you should have researched the sizes and prices of draft beer.

Quote :

"Kegs have limited beer selection."

hardly, just have to know what distributor to talk to. Have you been to the Flying Saucer or similar places?

Quote :

"Kegs take up enormous amount of space."

Per amount of product to sell they take up much less than bottled beer.
165 beers in a half barrel keg takes up much less space than 7 cases of beer

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"Kegs have a short shelf life."

If you cant sell the beer in a keg before it goes bad, you shouldnt be selling beer at all. I have never had a keg go bad because we couldnt sell it. Lifespan 3-4 months. I hope you arent selling your customers bottled beer that is more than 4 months old.

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"Kegs need refrigeration space. ($$$)"

Higher CO2 levels allow a keg to be stored unrefrigerated

Quote :

"Kegs need to be kept between a certain temperature at all time. (Bottles can be stored in room temperature and are even transported on non-refrigerated trucks.)"

/\ same damn point

Quote :

"Kegs need tubes, pumps, taps, and other equipment to dispense."

Cost of the keg cooler is offset quickly by much higher profit margin of draft beer

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"Kegs cannot be sold in 6,12,24 packs for customers to leave the premises with."

you are in Virginia, but in NC it is near impossible to get both a serving permit and off premises permit

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"Kegs nor cups of beer can leave the premises to accommodate beer delivery service."

/\
why do you repeat points?

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"Kegs are too big to carry a large selection unless you are a place that only sells beer. However, I am a pizza place."

never said you had to carry a bunch of kegs or stop carrying bottles. get one keg cooler and use it to make money off people that want a pitcher of beer with their shitty pizza

Quote :

"Taps are messy and its surrounding area is hard to keep clean. You would know this if you've worked behind the counter of a bar that serves beer from kegs. The floors are constantly sticky from overflowed beer, spilled beer, or beer over spray."

No, i have worked "behind the counter" of a a bar. Sounds like you need to learn how to pour a beer.


sit the fuck down

10/4/2011 7:53:53 AM

lol I was going to say, I've transported many a keg and never needed a refrigerated truck or bucket of ice to do it in.

10/4/2011 8:09:53 AM

Did y'all see this on the Wikipedia?

Quote :

"Scotland requires a dye to be used in drip trays to prevent the resale of beer from the drip tray; many health departments elsewhere still recommend its use."

Bar people, tell me...what is that all about?!?!?!

[Edited on October 4, 2011 at 11:54 AM. Reason : ]

10/4/2011 11:54:29 AM

never heard of it, but in theory i guess you could collect all of the beer from the overpours and then re sell it. I have worked for some cheap bosses in my day, but have never heard of something that cheap

10/4/2011 12:30:15 PM

He probably thinks kegs go bad in a day, because of that awesome party he went to at a buddy's house.... where they used a tap with no co2, and couldn't finish all 14 beers, then tried it the next day and it was skunky.

10/4/2011 12:37:52 PM

Quote :

"There are 14 12-ounce cups in a pony keg. Just buy 14 bottles."

Holy fucking retard.

10/4/2011 12:40:29 PM

Resale of beer from the drip tray...

Hope it's just an urban legend.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk%3AKeg#Dye_in_drip_trays.3F

[Edited on October 4, 2011 at 1:42 PM. Reason : linky]

10/4/2011 1:39:25 PM

Sorry specialkay, you can't block a slamdunk after it has been scored.

You need to do some research and fix your answers before I Nick Berg you.

10/4/2011 1:48:48 PM

go ahead dumbass. notice you are the only one spewing incorrect facts in this thread.

why dont you get off your miniature high horse, or is that a pony? you think they are the same thing and you also think there are 14 beers in a pony or torpedo keg?

where was i wrong again?

10/4/2011 1:55:16 PM

1) You're wrong about the shelf life. Rather mislead. You give us the shelf life of an untapped keg. Tapped kegs WITH CO2 only last 20-30 days.
2) Increasing CO2 MASKS the taste of beer. It also gives the consumer more gas. It diminishes the quality of the beer and shows you're only selling beer for money, not for the love or quality. You can extend the life by 7-14 days, not 3 months.
3) You use "Flying Saucer or similar places?" when there are only 1 or 2 similar places in ALL of the NC that has the selection of The Flying Sauce. Flying Saucer has above average output and, in fact, are probably number 1. No other place can support that volume and selection.
4) You're wrong about "as a restaurant owner you should have researched the sizes and prices of draft beer." I'm not doing draft beer because of space issues and refrigeration, there is absolutely no reason to research any further.
5) You're wrong about "off premise" licenses being the same as "delivery" licenses
6) You're wrong about the selection of kegs being greater than that of bottled beer.
7) You're misleading when you say "165 beers in a half barrel keg takes up much less space than 7 cases of beer" but I don't have to keep 7 cases of beer in my store. I can keep 1 case and reorder when it's done. I only have to sell 24 bottles, not 165 glasses before I order fresh beer.


Seriously,
Is that egg on your face or is that jizz by your lip?

[Edited on October 4, 2011 at 2:26 PM. Reason : .]

10/4/2011 2:22:25 PM

Bottom line:

If you have the space and money for a keg cooler (or just extra space in your regular cooler) in your restaurant, then you should put one in (or use your extra cooler space). If you don't, then don't. Plain and simple. I've priced out the profit margin on keg beer versus bottles, and you usually make more money off of bottles (in a perfect world with no keg spillage, you can make more money off of kegs). But people love draft beer. So you get and keep more customers if you have at least a couple beers on draft.

Extra bottom line:

You already lost this thread with this:

Quote :

"There are 14 12-ounce cups in a pony keg. Just buy 14 bottles."

And there's pretty much no coming back from it.

[Edited on October 4, 2011 at 2:33 PM. Reason : .]

10/4/2011 2:31:30 PM

Im glad you continue to make yourself look stupid.

1. Pasteurized or unpasteurized? 45-60 days for unpasteurized and 90-120 for pasteurized if kept below 38, this can be extended further. Call your distributor and ask.

2. the best way to currently pressurize and serve draft beer is CO2, you have any other suggestions on how to do this. Every bar does it and there is a large majority of beer drinkers that prefer draft beer over bottles. The pressures are regulated and adjusted by the distributor for the optimal serving pressure for the specific beer you have on draft

3. I said that if you talk to the proper distributor you can get most all beers in draft form. Im guessing that you can get at least 90% of the bottles you carry in draft. There is no arguing this, they make it in draft 9/10 times. It is cheaper for the brewer, the bar, and the customer.

4. If you dont know your price points of using alternative products, you arent doing due diligence for your business. Claim space all you want, you can get a cooler that fits torpedo kegs and put it about anywhere under a counter in your place. It will pay for itself in a few months. Draft beer was one of the largest profit margins we had at every bar i worked at. Larger profit margins than even the food.

5. I said in NC dumbass, you know nothing about this. It takes a act of congress to get NCABC board to provide a carry off premise permit, and there is no such thing in NC as a delivery permit.

6. when the fuck did i say that keg selection was greater than bottles? please, quote me.

7. kegs come in different sizes and it doesnt matter what the quantity contained, a keg will always take up less space than its bottle counterpart. The mini keg that you thought she was looking for holds 14 beers and takes up way less space than 14 bottles. This is also not arguable.

anything else dumbass?

10/4/2011 2:50:22 PM

L L

10/4/2011 3:25:24 PM

j brick, re run your numbers, bottles are nowhere nearly as profitable. look at it ounce for ounce and not pint versus 12 oz and you will see the difference.

10/4/2011 3:47:55 PM

^ I will say that I've never worked at a restaurant with cheap domestic beers on tap (PBR, Yuengling, Bud Light, etc)...but at every one, our percentage profits are always less on our draft beers. At the LEAST you lose a couple pitchers of beer every time you change a keg. You lose a beer or two every day when you pour your first beer. Sometimes you'll have a keg delivered that seems as if it was knocked all around the truck and half the discharge is foam. Sometimes the CO2 tank is low and you don't notice until you've lost a pitcher or two on every beer.

I know how it looks "priced out"...I'm just saying it rarely ever works out that way (except for cheap domestic beers, possibly).

That being said, I still thing draft beers are very important and almost a must-have for most bars.

[Edited on October 4, 2011 at 4:04 PM. Reason : .]

10/4/2011 4:02:08 PM

have people yet to learn that you don't pay attention to the stupid shit that spews from retardboy on a daily basis?

10/4/2011 4:53:15 PM

Quote :

"Extra bottom line: You already lost this thread with this: Quote : "There are 14 12-ounce cups in a pony keg. Just buy 14 bottles.""

I may have been wrong and lost that single battle from faulty information, it doesn't mean I can't win the war. The fact that you blow me off after the first battle shows me you declared "Mission Accomplished" before the war is over. Hmm. That sounds familiar.


@specialkay:
I welcome you to put your intelligent theories to the test. You sound like you know what you're doing! I have a GREEEEAT idea!! You should have your own business!! You'd be a millionaire right now! It's so easy to make bigger margins of draft beer!

[Edited on October 4, 2011 at 5:21 PM. Reason : .]

10/4/2011 5:07:46 PM

^^ obviously not

10/4/2011 8:09:19 PM