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tacolu
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Start with the obvious.

Dan Snyder(Redskins)
Jerry Jones(Cowboys)

And up until this year.

Donald Sterling(LA Clippers) -- Why anyone would want to own a sports team and not spend any money or make them competitive for so long is beyond me.

3/11/2012 12:40:23 AM

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^ not a business major. The clippers have been one of the most profitable teams in the nba for years. How is making $20 million a year beyond you?

The obvious answer is Michael Jordan. The guy has a legitimate shot of losing nearly his entire net worth in this bobcats disaster if he hasn't already.

3/11/2012 12:43:22 AM

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Christ. How did I forget Jordan.

3/11/2012 1:01:38 AM

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Lol jerry jones took a team he bought for like 100mil and turned it into one of the most valuable sports franchises in te world

3/11/2012 1:04:26 AM

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^
And a dynasty.

3/11/2012 1:16:38 AM

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I'm basically referring to the wins losses of their teams. Not the value or making money.

I don't think there is any question that Jerry Jones is the reason that they haven't been more successful than they have been.

The only time they were good was the 90s when Jimmy Johnson was running things.

3/11/2012 1:23:19 AM

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Can't ignore he owned and oversaw one of the great dynasties in NFL history. (Fired Landry, hired Johnson, etc..)

3/11/2012 1:25:18 AM

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I agree, there was some success in the past, but he is basically responsible for the mediocrity over the past 15yrs or so.

Bad drafts, bad trades, bad coaching hires, etc... are all his doing.

I'm not just coming up with this out of thin air. It's been discussed over and over on sports talk shows.

[Edited on March 11, 2012 at 1:29 AM. Reason : ,]

3/11/2012 1:28:42 AM

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Snyder yes but I'm not sure I'm buying jerry Jones.

They've drafted studs as of late. Demarcus ware and dez bryant. Unearthed miles Austin and tony romo out of nowhere.

They've had some bad luck the last few years but they aren't perrenially bad like the skins or browns

3/11/2012 3:02:54 AM

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"Dollar Bill" Wirtz (Blackhawks)

His son Rocky is a great owner, though.

3/11/2012 5:12:04 AM

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can't believe we're 6 posts in and no mention of frank mccourt

fuck frank mccourt

3/11/2012 5:24:44 AM

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George Shinn

Is it too early to say Al Davis? If not, Al Davis. (After the 80s, at least)

3/11/2012 5:41:56 AM

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Well to be fair. The Redskins were a disaster when Synder bought them. But yeah. He's really done nothing good in the 10+ years as owner.

3/11/2012 10:26:13 AM

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The correct answer is Peter Angelos.

3/11/2012 10:35:25 AM

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^ fucking this

3/11/2012 12:50:26 PM

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surprised no one has mentioned that the colts as a franchise are getting run into the ground

3/11/2012 2:00:16 PM

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the wilpons

3/11/2012 2:07:01 PM

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^^ how, exactly?

by being one of the most successful franchises of the last 15 years?

3/11/2012 3:31:42 PM

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Lol those poor colts fans. Random comment of the year

3/11/2012 3:35:10 PM

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Alex Spanos?

3/11/2012 3:37:42 PM

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Can an AD count as an owner? If so, Uncle Jed

3/11/2012 3:39:47 PM

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who owns NCSU?

3/11/2012 3:40:41 PM

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as the resident Colts fan, i disagree.

I mean, don't get me wrong, I hate to see Manning, Clark, and probably even Reggie and Tamme leave... but it was time to blow it up and rebuild. That era couldn't last forever, and it was only a matter of time before it ultimately declined beyond the point of repair.

It may have happened a year too early, but ultimately history will decide that.

3/11/2012 3:43:53 PM

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That team had a ton of holes the past two years that Peyton completely masked. They're 100% correct to dump the Peyton bomb on someone else and take the young bluck

3/11/2012 3:45:55 PM

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Lee Fowler

3/11/2012 3:45:56 PM

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3/11/2012 4:22:41 PM

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"Snyder yes but I'm not sure I'm buying jerry Jones.

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Jones is an example of what micromanagement from a person that thinks he knows best when he really doesn't happens.

3/12/2012 9:59:44 AM

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Michael Jordan by way of Bob Johnson

even Dick Vitale took time out of the ACC championship game to acknowledge how embarrassing the Bobcats are.

3/12/2012 10:32:22 AM

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OP is a simple minded idiot.

Why would someone start/buy a business, and not give a shit as long as it's making a ton of cash...

It's a business.

LOL @ Jerry Jones. Yeah, $100 M to $2 B. He really needs to win more.

It's actually ridiculous how much he cares about winning with the kind of money that team is worth.

3/12/2012 10:36:50 AM

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Peter Karmanos

3/12/2012 10:44:49 AM

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^^ +1

[Edited on March 12, 2012 at 10:45 AM. Reason : .]

3/12/2012 10:45:24 AM

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http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/6874079/psychic-benefits-nba-lockout

3/12/2012 11:02:37 AM

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If you haven't read it, take the time to right now:

http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/articles/40063/the-cranky-redskins-fans-guide-to-dan-snyder

One of the best things in sports the past 2 years.

3/12/2012 11:27:13 AM

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"Jones is an example of what micromanagement from a person that thinks he knows best when he really doesn't happens.
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Jimmy Carter suffered from the same problems.

As for owners who ruin teams, I'll throw my vote in for Ted Turner. Not because of his management of the team (although the 80s were LOL), but because he sold/traded/gave the team to TW/AOL and the Braves have never been the same. Fuck Liberty Media and running the Braves like a business. Bring Ted back and open the wallet, if he still had any money

3/12/2012 11:40:39 AM

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John Swofford

3/12/2012 11:43:02 AM

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Al Davis

3/12/2012 12:50:11 PM

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I hope this guy is kidding with Jones....he actually wants to win.

Yes he needs to hire a GM and give him some power, but how many current owners have 3 SB rings?

[Edited on March 12, 2012 at 1:42 PM. Reason : how many years have they had a losing record since he bought the Boys?]

3/12/2012 1:42:27 PM

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ralph wilson of the buffalo bills

i love that he has kept the franchise there, but damn if he hasnt been a thorn in my side for years now

3/12/2012 5:03:45 PM

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Thread was over with the mention of Peter Angelos.

3/12/2012 5:17:02 PM

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^^^It's been discussed on basically every major sports show before.

The one reason they haven't been more competitive for the better part of the past decade and a half is because of Jerry Jones refusal to hire a GM who knows what he is doing.

The only real success was during the early 90s when he was basically riding the coat tails of what was installed before he got there.

I'm not just throwing that out there out of nowhere. Like I said, it's been discussed over and over.

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"how many years have they had a losing record since he bought the Boys?"


Nevermind their playoff record, how many times have they even made the playoffs since their last SB win in 96

[Edited on March 12, 2012 at 5:23 PM. Reason : .]

3/12/2012 5:19:56 PM

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"The only real success was during the early 90s when he was basically riding the coat tails of what was installed before he got there."


This is entirely inaccurate. He drafted Aikman, Smith, Larry Allen, Moose Johnston, Leon Lett, Darren Woodson, Erik Williams. You know the nucleus that won those SBs.

3/12/2012 5:36:10 PM

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Plus you can't pin David LaFleur on Jones because Troy Aikman was the one who campaigned for him to replace Jay Novacek.

Now, I'm not sure who to blame for Cory Fleming on. That guy sucked even in Tecmo Super Bowl III he'd drop passes.

He was really good in the arena league though.

3/12/2012 5:39:15 PM

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Nobody is arguing really that Jones hasn't had some success. Sure he might have done a few things right starting out, but the only common factor in their mediocrity of almost the last 20yrs is Jerry Jones. What people are saying is that by being stubborn and trying to run the team by himself, he has severely limited the success of the team. Has he drafted some good players? Sure. Has he made some good FA signings. Yeah. However, he has fucked up more than not. The Cowboys haven't been a factor at all in forever and it all goes right back to Jones.

http://espn.go.com/dallas/nfl/story/_/id/7418937/dallas-cowboys-owner-jerry-jones-consider-giving-gm-title


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"Jerry Jones, the NFL's only owner/general manager, won't even consider changing the structure of the Dallas Cowboys' front office, despite the fact that disappointing seasons have been the norm since the franchise's mid-1990s dynasty died.

"The facts are that I've spent 22 years doing this exactly the same way," Jones said Tuesday on KRLD-FM. "I've made a lot of changes from year to year as time goes along, but frankly, I know that when we do not have the kind of success, when we don't have expectations lived up to, the one that should get the most heat is the one that ultimately makes the decisions, period, with the Dallas Cowboys. And that's me."

More on the Cowboys


Jones dismissed the idea of hiring a general manager from outside the organization, such as Bill Polian after the Indianapolis Colts fired the architect of their Super Bowl team. Jones emphasized that he uses information from many different sources to make football decisions.

In Jones' mind, adding a general manager to the payroll would clutter the decision-making process, not improve it.

"The thing you've got to realize is that when you have an owner that is full-time as the owner, then you create a situation where you have as much turnover at GM as you do at the coaching level," Jones said. "And I think that just deters from the mix."

The Cowboys have had six coaches, one general manager and one playoff win in the last 15 seasons.

The Cowboys just completed an 8-8 season in which they beat only one team that finished .500 or better. But Jones believes his team was talented enough to make a playoff run, and he's pleased with the coaching.

"More often than not, when you're in the kind of shape we are statistically, you're doing better in the playoffs," Jones said."


Hell, he basically admits that he is the problem.

3/12/2012 6:33:19 PM

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"This is entirely inaccurate. He drafted Aikman, Smith, Larry Allen, Moose Johnston, Leon Lett, Darren Woodson, Erik Williams. You know the nucleus that won those SBs. "


Jimmy Johnson had more to do with the assembling and success of those early Cowboys teams than Jones did.


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"When Cowboys fans reflect on the success of the early 90s it's hard not to equate it to Jimmy Johnson and his ability to evaluate talent. Despite what Jerry Jones wanted credit for or how involved he was with the draft during the Jimmy Johnson era, the Cowboys were built by a combination of stellar free-agent acquisitions, trades and most importantly the success on draft day attributed to Johnson. With Jerry Jones signing the checks and Jimmy Johnson evaluating the college talent year after year the Cowboys had the perfect recipe and it reflected with back-to-back championships after starting their new regime with a 1-15 record.

Johnson was able to find players like Larry Brown, Leon Lett, Brock Marion, Jimmie Jones, Darren Woodson and Daryl Johnston after the first round, as well as other players who would go on to provide great depth and play key roles. Although the Cowboys featured players like Aikman, Irvin and Smith , it was ultimately the depth that would benefit this franchise the most. The depth that was uncovered during the Jimmy Johnson era.


The draft picks subsequent to the Jimmy Johnson era, unfortunately, have had mixed results and failed to achieve the same level of success necessary to win championships. Despite winning the Super Bowl in 1996, Barry Switzer was the beneficiary of some key Jimmy Johnson holdovers. This is where Jerry Jones is delusional in his thinking. He equates that 1996 championship to his ability to steer the ship and to be able to say he did it his way. But to Jerry Jones' credit some of those post Johnson drafts did yield players like Larry Allen, Dexter Coakley, Flozell Adams, Greg Ellis and Andre Gurode. I still feel like a big percentage needs to go to former personnel executive Larry Lacewell.

The Cowboys were even able to have tremendous success in the 2005 draft with the help of Bill Parcells and even recently with players like Sean Lee, Dez Bryant, Tyron Smith and Mike Jenkins. When you really reflect on the post Jimmy Johnson era and how it translated into draft picks, this team has missed the mark more than a number of times. This franchise has been the epitome of mediocrity for over 16 years and counting. That is not a coincidence. While the draft isn't the ONLY factor it certainly is big enough.
Let's take a look at what I feel are the 10 worst draft picks of the post Jimmy Johnson era.


1. Shante Carver, DE - What a way to kick off the first draft without Jimmy Johnson. Carver played four seasons in Dallas and posted 11.5 career sacks before bouncing around all the way to the arena football league's Dallas franchise.

2. Sherman Williams, RB - Jerry Jones was handpicking Emmitt Smith's backup by trading out of the first round to get Williams. After a total waste of five seasons in Dallas, Williams was sent to prison in 2000 for seven years. Players like Bobby Taylor and Curtis Martin, taken after Williams, would've looked good in silver and blue.

3. David LaFleur, TE - Around the time Jay Novacek was retiring Jerry Jones thought it would be good to find his replacement. After taking LaFleur 22nd overall in 1997, he wasn't even close to being Doug Cosbie let alone Jay Novacek. In four seasons his best production was 35 catches, 322 yards and seven touchdowns in the 1999 season. You don't just find players like Jay Novacek in every draft.

4. Dwayne Goodrich, CB - Jerry Jones fell in love with him after seeing the Tennessee Vols win a national championship game. So he trades down and takes what he thought at the time was a first round talent. Another example of Jones thinking he's smarter than everyone else. I think Cowboys fans know how this one worked out. Goodrich would go on to prison in a vehicular manslaughter conviction.

5. Quincy Carter, QB - Another fourth or fifth round level talent that Jerry Jones just had to have in the second round. Carter did have some success in Bill Parcells first year but his career was stamped with his substance abuse problems and trust issues with management. He played in the AFL and attempted several comebacks.

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6. Tony Dixon, S - With Darren Woodson battling back issues and nearing the end of his career the Cowboys selected Dixon in the second round of the 2001 draft. He played sparingly in the secondary and was usually clueless. He was able to contribute on special teams before his time in Dallas was up.

7. Jason Williams, LB - The Cowboys traded out of the second round and into the third to get their man in Williams. Jerry Jones relied on Wade Phillips' input on this pick and it was the beginning of the train wreck that will forever be associated with the 2009 draft. DeAndre Levy right now would be a welcome addition to this team.

8. Robert Brewster, OL - Their second third round pick of 2009, Brewster never had a chance to make a contribution on this team. He was injured as a rookie, never added the necessary growth to his physique and couldn't compete enough to warrant playing time. I think Cowboys fans have heard the name Louis Vasquez from Texas Tech. How much do you think he could help this team right now as an interior lineman.

9. Akwasi Owusu-Ansah - A fourth round pick in 2010, this small school prospect was supposed to be converted to safety after having a pretty successful career at IUPA as a cornerback. Another wasted draft pick on a secondary player in a year where fixing the secondary was critical. After overcoming a few injuries the Cowboys gave him a shot in the return game and even tried him at receiver. He's now with the Jaguars.

10. Bobby Carpenter - He had all the makings of a prototype NFL Linebacker and the pedigree as well. The Cowboys couldn't get him on the field enough after the playoff loss in Seattle and eventually Wade Phillips was able to carve out a small role for him as a third down linebacker. Eventually he was traded for Alex Barron (yikes!) and he's currently with the Detroit Lions. He also had a big interception against Dallas in 2011 that resulted in the worst collapse in team history by blowing a 24-point lead.

It's always easy to second guess or play mind games regarding the draft and what could've been. For the Dallas Cowboys the post Jimmy Johnson era, with the exception of 1996, has been nothing short of mediocre and disappointing. It's been a long period of bad drafts, bad decisions and good fortune for other teams in the NFC East. Cowboys fans still speak with passion and anger when the topic of Jimmy Johnson comes up because of his unceremonious departure. With the upcoming draft looming maybe Jerry Jones could look to the mishaps of the past to provide hope for the future."


http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1075552-dallas-cowboys-10-worst-draft-picks-of-the-post-jimmy-johnson-era


You're acting like I just threw Jones in the mix out of nowhere.

Since he has been running things, the Cowboys haven't done shit. Hell, even when Parcells gave a glimmer of hope, Jerry still managed to fuck it up.

He basically doesn't get the fact that his way isn't working and is stubborn and refuses to let someone else do it better because his way is the right way, even when its proven that its not working.

[Edited on March 12, 2012 at 6:51 PM. Reason : .]

3/12/2012 6:44:44 PM

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Peter Angelos (Orioles)

3/12/2012 6:50:31 PM

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3/12/2012 6:51:20 PM

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I don't know.

It's pretty damn hard to beat Snyder.

Also, who owns the Pirates??

3/12/2012 6:53:32 PM

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Snyder is THE worst.

3/12/2012 6:55:00 PM

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The Orioles are just bad. Basically always have been and they seem ok with that.

The bad part about Snyder is, that he runs his team like a fucking fantasy football team.

He tries SO HARD to be good, and he is still one of if not the worst.

3/12/2012 6:56:24 PM

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your ignorance is astounding unless this is a weak troll attempt

3/12/2012 6:58:54 PM

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