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dtownral
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You think these men or women are overpowering the kids they rape?

3/21/2019 7:00:04 PM

TreeTwista10
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I think one sex is a lot more capable at overpowering someone than the other sex.

You think there are many male teachers who are fearful of their female students overpowering them physically?

3/21/2019 7:01:21 PM

dtownral
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So you think these rapes happen not because of the power dynamic but because the student is afraid of being physically overpowered?

3/21/2019 7:08:10 PM

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Do you believe males and females are exactly the same?

And no, you idiot, I'm saying a female teacher is more likely to be physically intimidated by a male student than a male teacher is likely to be physically intimidated by a female student

[Edited on March 21, 2019 at 7:12 PM. Reason : .]

3/21/2019 7:10:57 PM

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I think everyone else in this thread is talking about mentally coerced sex rather than physically. How often do you hear about any kind of teacher raping a student through physical force or threat??

3/21/2019 7:52:00 PM

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If a 6'1" 17-year-old kid with a mustache and lots of hormones physically intimidates a 23-year-old teacher into a relationship, I wouldn't exactly say the teacher raped the student.

On the flip side, I can't really see a similar scenario playing out with a male teacher and female student.

[Edited on March 21, 2019 at 8:00 PM. Reason : .]

3/21/2019 7:59:32 PM

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Wait. Are you arguing that the male students are actually the ones perpetuating sexual assault or sexual misconduct here?

Could it happen? Sure. Is there anything in this thread that shows a case of a 17 year old male student intimidating a female teacher into a sexual relationship? Seems like that’s just a mostly hypothetical argument.

[Edited on March 21, 2019 at 8:38 PM. Reason : A]

3/21/2019 8:36:30 PM

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I'm just pointing out a variable that seems likely to factor into a female teacher getting with a male student, but not necessarily a male teacher getting with a female student, to illustrate that "all teachers who have sex with students are equal predators" is not accurate. I've never been a woman and I haven't been in high school in a long time, but it just seems naive or disingenuous to ignore some of the physical differences in the sexes and act like all of these crimes are the exact same thing.

3/21/2019 9:03:35 PM

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Seems like that hypothetical teacher would prefer to report the rape rather than go to jail and/or get fired right?

3/21/2019 9:15:12 PM

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Just to be clear, the rape word that keeps getting thrown around is to refer to statutory rape and not sex without consent, correct? Because if there was a situation where a 17 year old student gamed a 23 year old teacher into sex, it seems pretty inaccurate to imply that the teacher is raping the student.

3/21/2019 9:25:34 PM

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How did you misinterpret the post that badly? You are describing a student raping/sexually assaulting a teacher. As I said, seems the teacher would report that especially if the sexual relationship is known.


Also statutory rape is, by legal definition, sex without consent. Our society has determined that minors cannot be appropriatly give consent to adults.

[Edited on March 21, 2019 at 9:39 PM. Reason : E]

[Edited on March 21, 2019 at 9:40 PM. Reason : I think burro or somebody said those laws should be overturned, feel free to join that side of the argument]

[Edited on March 21, 2019 at 9:40 PM. Reason : Tt]

3/21/2019 9:37:16 PM

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I am not describing a student raping/sexually assaulting a teacher. I'm describing a student persuading a teacher into consensual sex. I don't think you and I really capable of understanding it since we've never been females.

And sure, by definition, a girl who, on her 18th birthday, has sex with her 17 year old and 364 day boyfriend, is technically rape because the boy can't appropriately give consent to his 1-day-older-than-him girlfriend. Because of that, let's throw out the rape word casually, as if there aren't any much more negative and severe connotations. It kind of reminds me of the people who want to equate forced rape with slapping someone's butt, because technically they are both sexual assault.

[Edited on March 21, 2019 at 9:46 PM. Reason : .]

3/21/2019 9:45:40 PM

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I thought you were talking about physical intimidation, now it's just persuading?

And literally nobody equates rape with slapping someone's ass. I didn't realize we had a men's rights advocate up in here.

3/21/2019 10:05:47 PM

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rwoody, the male expert on how females might differentiate persuasion versus intimidation.

it's also funny that i'm being labeled as a men's rights advocate, when all of my posts in this thread today are sticking up for women.

3/21/2019 10:16:12 PM

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IF IT'S PHYSICAL INTIMIDATION IT'S RAPE OR SEXUAL ASSAULT.

And you're not really defending women, you're belittling them saying they shouldn't be held responsible for their actions*. Women have agency and willpower. Talk to any adult woman you know and ask if a high schooler could "persuade" her into sex against her will**.

*note here if you want to bring up physical intimidation, see the first sentence in this thread.
**see single asterisk statement

3/21/2019 10:25:02 PM

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"Talk to any adult woman you know and ask if a high schooler could "persuade" her into sex against her will"


3/21/2019 10:37:42 PM

rwoody
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Yes truly my position of "high school teachers shouldn't fuck their students" is the face palm position here

3/21/2019 10:41:58 PM

TreeTwista10
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no, your supposed omniscience of women is the facepalm

3/21/2019 10:51:29 PM

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I'm not at all omniscient, which is why I said to ask. I don't know any women personally know something is wrong but change their mind after a few sweet words, but there's all kinds of people!

If a high school girl seduces a male teacher, does your charity still exist?

3/21/2019 10:58:32 PM

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I just think male teachers have less variables that could give them the benefit of the doubt in teacher/student sex situations compared to female teachers so they should be held to a higher standard. And it's not belittling to point out physical differences between males and females.

Also:

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"Seems like that hypothetical teacher would prefer to report the rape rather than go to jail and/or get fired right?"


I hate taking this side, but that seems like some male privilege talking. We all know rape kits are #1 priority of police departments. Do you also think black people should just call the cops if they're in trouble, despite the fact that they might get murdered by those cops? My main issue with the responses in this thread is the know-it-all attitude of my fellow white dudes about non whites and non dudes, and the lack of humility in admitting that (the royal) you don't know everything.

3/21/2019 11:31:25 PM

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Sure, sexual assaults are not prosecuted probably the majority of the timer, but don't you think that a newspaper article would report that the women claimed it was rape? Isn't it likely that, in a case like that, unfortunately the boy may not be charged but the woman would probably also not be prosecuted/convicted? She may still get fired, and if you show me a case where a woman claimed assault and was fired, I will give her the benefit of the doubt 100% of the time.

I don't really care what happens in the courts or the job but if a woman is intimidated into sex in any way, the opposite party is in the wrong 100% of the time. I've tried to state my take on that multiple times, but maybe I wasn't clear. In those cases you don't need to write a post defending the woman, I agree with that already.

Remove intimidation and it's a different story.

3/21/2019 11:38:38 PM

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I'll "belittle" women. The number of them who will do heinous stuff to children just because a man told them to is extremely depressing.

On the whole, girls are still raised to be more passive, subservient, superficial, etc...and many of them are conditioned to tie their self-worth to their ability to attract a man. A sad number of them will keep an unemployed guy in the house and completely turn a blind eye to his abuse of their children.

Unless we raise our girls differently, we should continue to expect these teacher crimes to occur. And many of the young women will not have an explanation besides: "I thought he liked me. He made me feel pretty! You're not really going to send me to jail, are you?!?!?!"

To be clear, it's just not believable to me that all of the accused teachers are exploiting a power differential in order to target, groom, and coerce boys into sex. Some of them appear to be too stupid to even realize that a power differential exists.

Some of these women even end up being blackmailed into continuing the sex acts with others and giving money to their victims. To be clear, if a boy's own mother says that her son took advantage of a woman and demands that he apologize, you'd be wise to at least listen to what she's trying to say.

I realize that my point of view requires a low view of certain women and denies them some of their agency, but yeah...I'm not gonna pretend like Debra LaFave has a hard drive of child porn and began a criminal ascent to rape by compulsively frequenting playgrounds and masturbating in the toy section at Walmart. Virtually no women are actually doing stuff like that without express instructions from some boyfriend or drug dealer.

We can protect boys and help boy victims without pretending that male and female sex offenders are the same. It's not hard.

3/21/2019 11:56:05 PM

dtownral
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rwoody got treetwista'd hard ITT

3/22/2019 9:34:38 AM

Bullet
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I disagree with some of the opinions in this thread

3/22/2019 9:41:12 AM

Geppetto
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without going too far down the rabbit hole:

TreeTwista10 is clearly wrong since a lot of these articles have to do with fucking middle schoolers and not uber mature high school seniors. he's making posts about possibilities that don't even correspond with the dynamics of the accusations. it's the pure definition of strawman.

BridgetSPK seems pretty on point and has thought about this more in depth than most people just answering the previous poster's question with another question. while i'm not always a fan of her logic and pov, it seems well thought out here. especially when she discussed how we'd approach rehabilitation for those involved and why what would and would not help.

i also think there are several lines of transition, for both genders, when it come to pedophile vs. some other issue. For me, pedophilia as the cause really aligns with the physical development of the victim and some combination of mental maturity. For both genders, I think it is more of a power dynamic. Being able to easily control individuals and get what you want, when you either currently feel powerless elsewhere or felt powerless in the same period of life that the victims are currently in.

I also don't think it is sexist to view the male perpetrators with more distaste because I think the power delta is a little larger, in some and perhaps most, scenarios when a man goes after a younger female vs when a female goes after a younger male. I suspect, largely due to social norms but also due to how sexual assault tends to play out, that some of these females who enter relationships with male teachers are concerned what would happen if they didn't, while the boys involved with their teachers are more excited about getting a notch on their belt. For me, the degree to which the student got something out of it they wanted determines the degree of victimhood.

3/22/2019 10:20:52 AM

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This thread has always creeped me the fuck out. I don't like it.

3/22/2019 10:36:06 AM

TreeTwista10
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I never mentioned any middle schoolers, I was just responding to the strawman by known-misogynist dtownral

3/22/2019 3:01:16 PM

dtownral
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:thumbsup:

3/22/2019 3:51:49 PM

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"They're criminals, and they're disgusting, but we made them this way
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Isn't that true of every criminal?

Unless you believe some people are born evil of course.

[Edited on March 23, 2019 at 12:18 AM. Reason : ]

3/23/2019 12:17:36 AM

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"This thread has always creeped me the fuck out. I don't like it."



Agreed EMCE, agreed.

3/23/2019 10:10:34 AM

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^^For the most part, sure, I guess.

But I'm not a criminologist or whatever. I'm also not interested in being philosophical about this matter, so I probably shouldn't have put that line in there.


I just think it's important that we all occasionally check in with each other on our various realities. I mean, there are plenty of people who agree that these women should go to prison and that their victims deserve real advocates for justice, but when y'all start implying that all these women are pedophile predators, folks can see plainly that that classification is inaccurate...and people start to buck when we're inaccurate (dishonest).

3/23/2019 12:22:28 PM

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https://www.al.com/news/2019/04/former-madison-county-teacher-arrested-accused-of-sex-with-student.html


A local one for me. She is the daughter in law of the chief deputy in the sheriff's dept that arrested her!

4/15/2019 11:08:05 AM

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22 year old high school teacher "engaging in a sex act with a student younger than 19"

if the kid was 18, will we all call this monster out for the predator that she is?

4/15/2019 11:54:27 AM

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https://www.wect.com/2019/06/25/former-new-hanover-county-teacher-pleads-guilty-sex-crime-charges/

6/27/2019 1:44:39 PM

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6/27/2019 2:06:58 PM

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Mike Kelly was my AP Chemistry teacher. He did not ever touch my peepee.

He loved jesus a bit too much... like to the point you know he's hiding some shit. Did not realize it was all of that.

6/28/2019 8:24:23 AM

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Related: https://portcitydaily.com/local-news/2019/07/01/dr-rick-holliday-announces-retirement-amid-investigation-into-administration-and-staff/

7/1/2019 3:21:32 PM

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"Kelly was sentenced to 17.6 - 31.25 years in prison for the crimes."


When you want to be too vague and too specific at the same time.

7/1/2019 3:55:49 PM

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lol

7/2/2019 7:21:58 AM

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Rick Holliday was my principal when i had Kelly for Chemistry.

He was all about having a moustache and referring to himself as doc holliday

7/2/2019 9:14:34 AM

Bullet
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Rick Holliday was and is an extreme jerk (and an enabler, it seems.

https://www.starnewsonline.com/news/20190701/holliday-to-retire-as-new-hanover-schools-deputy-superintendent

[Edited on July 2, 2019 at 9:52 AM. Reason : ]

7/2/2019 9:33:01 AM

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https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2019/07/christian-school-teacher-scolded-girls-modest-molesting-male-students/?fbclid=IwAR0WT51Ns8vHNNv4P7FIy5FJSLnbE4G2Xh3Dcqx4_jZ4EPku0xjHDA1w204

7/8/2019 1:42:11 PM

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"“He said, ‘Dad, you got to see this,’” Mollo said. “He pulls his phone out, and it’s a bunch of pornographic videos of her doing things to herself.”"


That dad and son clearly have a close relationship.

7/8/2019 2:28:53 PM

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KG teacher? WTF?

I hope they throw her in jail.

This was linked from 1.5 years ago:

https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2017/12/conservative-christian-leader-accused-using-bible-study-molest-teenage-boy

Really atrocious.

7/9/2019 12:08:09 AM

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"KG teacher? WTF?

I hope they throw her in jail."


According to google, the school is a K-12 school. So just because she is a Kindergarten teacher, I don't think we should assume she was texting 5 and 6 years olds.

7/9/2019 12:35:43 AM

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Ah I see.

Either way, they should toss her into jail, no matter how old the boys are.

7/9/2019 5:23:31 AM

rwoody
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Wow only jail? I thought you were all about corporal punishment

7/9/2019 7:09:02 AM

Geppetto
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they should at least do something about those bangs.

7/10/2019 9:49:36 AM

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7/10/2019 10:58:50 AM

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Definitely takes a ton of loads to the face

7/10/2019 11:24:16 AM

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