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MisterGreen
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some of the questions were really tough to answer with 4 bubble options : /

8/9/2012 3:52:29 PM

1337 b4k4
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"some of the questions were really tough to answer with 4 bubble options : /
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Yeah, there were plenty of questions where I neither agreed or disagreed, but obviously that isn't a choice. There were also a number of questions that spoke in absolutes that really shouldn't have. And of course, all of these sorts of tests usually take the answer of "There should or shouldn't be X" to mean "There should or shouldn't be a law about X"

8/9/2012 6:56:00 PM

wdprice3
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"wdprice3 is now a lefty in my mind, forever."


haha, the chart tells us so!

8/9/2012 9:33:11 PM

thegoodlife3
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bump

4/20/2017 6:27:23 PM

tulsigabbard
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4/20/2017 7:25:03 PM

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4/20/2017 7:59:41 PM

stowaway
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4/20/2017 9:11:02 PM

ElGimpy
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4/20/2017 9:25:25 PM

Dentaldamn
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You guys are nuts

4/20/2017 10:00:05 PM

moron
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def more left/libertarian than the past

4/20/2017 11:23:59 PM

eleusis
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4/20/2017 11:52:40 PM

JCE2011
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That survey won't capture the authoritarian nature of the left present day... it needs to ask questions like:

"Is hate speech free speech?"
"Do women have a right to tax payer funded birth control?"
"Should fake news be censored?"
"Is health care a right?"

4/21/2017 12:12:25 AM

Dentaldamn
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Oh course JCE would be butthurt over the questions.

4/21/2017 7:19:36 AM

Dentaldamn
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hnmmmm double

[Edited on April 21, 2017 at 8:00 AM. Reason : G]

4/21/2017 7:59:51 AM

dtownral
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4/21/2017 8:28:36 AM

MONGO
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4/21/2017 8:53:48 AM

A Tanzarian
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4/21/2017 9:22:44 AM

ncsusoccer06
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[Edited on April 21, 2017 at 10:16 AM. Reason : .]

[Edited on April 21, 2017 at 10:16 AM. Reason : ..]

4/21/2017 10:15:55 AM

NeuseRvrRat
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[Edited on April 21, 2017 at 10:24 AM. Reason : the choices did not satisfy my views for many of the questions]

4/21/2017 10:23:40 AM

tulsigabbard
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Yeah some of the questions are loaded traps so the answers are not very precise. I remember taking a more accurate one that had about an hour's worth of questions it used to triangulate positions.

[Edited on April 21, 2017 at 10:34 AM. Reason : l]

4/21/2017 10:33:37 AM

eleusis
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yeah, this test didn't ask the same question rephrased multiple times to see if you answered consistently, and it didn't give you the option to not have an opinion on a question.

[Edited on April 21, 2017 at 11:05 AM. Reason : 10 libertarian left, 1 libertarian right, 1 authoritarian right - totally not an echo chamber]

4/21/2017 11:03:20 AM

ncsusoccer06
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^ agreed. Its an [unsurprisingly] broad snapshot of TSB but I definitely feel it is much too general beyond that.

4/21/2017 11:22:24 AM

JCE2011
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The authoritarian questions are far too blatant and easy to dodge.

Nobody "likes" government forcing objectionable things on populations in a vacuum, its always a trade off between authoritarianism and _______. The questions need to include these tradeoffs.

For the right it is typically "security" that justifies authoritarian measures

For the left it is "helping victims" that justifies authoritarian measures, combined with the fact that they are the big gov party, and socialist party... both requiring authoritarianism.

4/21/2017 11:23:50 AM

NyM410
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Does anyone else ever get the feeling that some people fail to grasp basic definitions of words on here?

4/21/2017 11:41:34 AM

tulsigabbard
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"[Edited on April 21, 2017 at 11:05 AM. Reason : 10 libertarian left, 1 libertarian right, 1 authoritarian right - totally not an echo chamber]

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Well no. Everyone being in the same quadrant is not an echo chamber relatively speaking. Both major parties in the US and world leaders around the world are almost solely in the upper right quadrant.


Are they all the same?

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" and socialist party... both requiring authoritarianism."

No. We don't want that kind of socialism. We want democratic socialism.

[Edited on April 22, 2017 at 8:07 PM. Reason : j]

4/22/2017 8:05:33 PM

JesusHChrist
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Ralph Nader is a fuckin' boss

4/22/2017 9:10:44 PM

NeuseRvrRat
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seems to me that the further you go down the vertical scale, the less the left and right scale matters

4/22/2017 9:44:49 PM

tulsigabbard
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Going left allows you to go down. People can't be free if they are uneducated and hegemony is really just nuanced authoritarianism.

[Edited on April 22, 2017 at 11:52 PM. Reason : this is why you can see a clear positive sloping trendline on the one i just posted]

4/22/2017 11:50:47 PM

NeuseRvrRat
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there's a difference between freedom and liberty

4/23/2017 11:08:25 AM

tulsigabbard
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Solely Linguistic

Unless you really think chickens in "libertad" is something different from cage "free"?


[Edited on April 23, 2017 at 11:51 AM. Reason : Germanic "free" = Latin "liber"]

4/23/2017 11:49:06 AM

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The bottom left quadrant of that graph is one big oxymoron. Pretty much says you want folks to be free to do as they please except when it comes to economics. How can you enforce an economic policy without authoritarianism.

The difference between being free from something and being free to do something comes right back to positive vs. negative rights. Government shouldn't guarantee freedom from poverty, but they should keep you free to do what you want with your body and enjoy the fruits of your labor as you wish.

4/23/2017 1:15:25 PM

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The only way I can even wrap my head around left-libertarianism is to think that maybe those folks think a collectivist society is best, but they think it should be voluntary. I'm cool with that. That's the only way it can exist without authoritarianism.

4/23/2017 1:20:25 PM

tulsigabbard
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Humans aren't naturally free as a species. There are natural constraints to our freedom. Food and shelter being primary examples of these constraints. Only once those are met, can we be free.

All societies are collectivist by definition. In capitalism, most of the population only has labour to sell and with technology, there is a larger supply of labour than there is demand. This sets up a system of social coercion where most people can "voluntarily" sell their labour or die.

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"Government shouldn't guarantee freedom from poverty"

No one in the bottom side of the compass thinks it should. That would be communist or maybe some socialists which are authoritarian and land in the top left quadrant.
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" but they should keep you free to do what you want with your body and enjoy the fruits of your labour as you wish."

This is libertarianism.



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"The only way I can even wrap my head around left-libertarianism is to think that maybe those folks think a collectivist society is best, but they think it should be voluntary. I'm cool with that. That's the only way it can exist without authoritarianism."

I think your problem is that you are conflating everything on the left with communism and failing to recognise the drastic differences between the top left and the bottom left. This sort of confusion is common and social democracy having the palindromic name of democratic socialism doesn't help with that confusion.

Social democrats are below the line while democratic socialists are near or above the line. Communists are in the top left corner. Anarchists are in the bottom left.



[Edited on April 23, 2017 at 3:16 PM. Reason : instagrammar]

4/23/2017 3:14:14 PM

BridgetSPK
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I'm right between 15-year-olds and degenerates.

So not too bad.

4/23/2017 5:23:13 PM

NeuseRvrRat
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^^so, yeah, bottom left believes in liberty unless 51% of folks agree with removing that liberty

4/23/2017 5:45:58 PM

GrimReap3r
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4/23/2017 7:13:53 PM

tulsigabbard
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"^^so, yeah, bottom left believes in liberty unless 51% of folks agree with removing that liberty"

Maybe the extreme top of the green box, but once again you are conflating the entire quadrant. You may be describing democratic socialism to a good degree, but as you move lower on the compass, you are going to find people who believe in liberty more strongly. Thats how the compass works.

[Edited on April 23, 2017 at 7:20 PM. Reason : You still think democratic socialism, social democracy and anarchism are all the same]

4/23/2017 7:19:16 PM

dtownral
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Neuservrrat never fails to amuse with his adorable naive world view

[Edited on April 23, 2017 at 7:38 PM. Reason : bly]

4/23/2017 7:37:45 PM

NeuseRvrRat
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4/23/2017 8:11:30 PM

NeuseRvrRat
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^^^so what's the difference between bottom left and bottom right?

4/23/2017 9:00:24 PM

tulsigabbard
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In theory, left-libertarianism protects the freedom of all citizens while right libertarianism hopes that the market will incentivize respect for the freedom of all.


I'm sure you think the "protection of freedom" would just ease into authoritarianism, but it hasn't in real life social democracies and the dystopia fears go both ways. Incorporated is a dystopia of a complete anarcho-capitalist system. In this system free of all regulation, large corporations would eventually fill the vacuum and start acting as authoritarian governments themselves.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBzpez9ddZA

[Edited on April 23, 2017 at 9:23 PM. Reason : instead of influencing the government, the companies become the government]

4/23/2017 9:18:31 PM

NeuseRvrRat
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who protects the freedoms of all? who enforces that?

i'm not an an-cap. i believe we need govt to enforce property rights.

[Edited on April 23, 2017 at 9:28 PM. Reason : dfs]

4/23/2017 9:21:28 PM

tulsigabbard
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"The Rule of Law. Libertarianism is not libertinism or hedonism. It is not a claim that “people can do anything they want to, and nobody else can say anything.” Rather, libertarianism proposes a society of liberty under law, in which individuals are free to pursue their own lives so long as they respect the equal rights of others. The rule of law means that individuals are governed by generally applicable and spontaneously developed legal rules, not by arbitrary commands; and that those rules should protect the freedom of individuals to pursue happiness in their own ways, not aim at any particular result or outcome."

4/23/2017 9:31:03 PM

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4/24/2017 8:34:00 AM

dtownral
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i've seen a much longer test online somewhere but i can't remember what it was called, I tried google but I'm only finding other short tests

4/24/2017 9:08:24 AM

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What an echo chamber we have here.

4/24/2017 10:48:24 AM

Exiled
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Solid contribution.

4/24/2017 11:08:20 AM

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5 years later...

4/24/2017 10:11:50 PM

tulsigabbard
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You have to realise that the demographic on here is college educated millennial. With that said, there is still great diversity if you look at where we fall within the green quadrant. We are further from each other than all of the presidents of our lifetime are from each other.


Amongst the people in the green quadrant.

Bottom left- dtownral, tanzarian, adultswim, moron, tulsi, the goodlife
Upper right- Mongo, ncsusoccer, grimreaper, treetwista
Upper left- exiled, stowaway
Bottom right- el gimpy

Note that all of the major politicians were in the blue quadrant but fall along a positively sloping trendline (y=x). That trend seems to continue for TWW users with stowaway being the only outlier. He's unusually authoritarian given how left he is.

It seems that the more left you go the more libertarian you are and the more right you go the more authoritarian you are. Of course the entire red and purple quadrants are also outliers but this is an interesting phenomenon how everyone lines up on this same trendline. y=x

I'm not stating why I'm just pointing out the trend.

4/24/2017 10:35:05 PM

JCE2011
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In addition for capturing the authoritarian nature of the regressive left, they need an updated measurement for:

Individualism vs Collectivism
Nationalism vs Globalism
Capitalism vs Socialism

These are more relevant, in terms of the recent election.

4/24/2017 10:48:51 PM

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