http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdisTOKom5I

Senate candidate and house member Todd Akin says a woman can prevent pregnancy during a "legitimate" rape. He is somehow on the science committee yet fails to understand Biology 101. Additionally what exactly is legitimate rape? Finally he is being asked to drop out of the race against McCaskill in MO by the GOP but so far he has stated he is still in.

Note: Akin co-sponsored HR 3 along with Paul Ryan and many other Republicans that attempts to parse the definition of rape (the term "forcible" is used as a qualifier when it comes to allowing funds to be used for abortion in the case of rape an incest). Good luck gaining the support of women with this one.

8/20/2012 5:41:24 PM

I'm going to wager that, if conception required consent, our species wouldn't have made it this far.

Oh wait. I guess if you believe in Adam and Eve, immaculate conceptions, etc., then Akin makes perfect sense.

8/20/2012 6:17:44 PM

I assume it means a rape that actually happened and the female didn't like it.

8/20/2012 7:02:23 PM

So as long as he wasn't hot as fuck?

8/20/2012 8:49:23 PM

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"I'm going to wager that, if conception required consent, our species wouldn't have made it this far. Oh wait. I guess if you believe in Adam and Eve, immaculate conceptions, etc., then Akin makes perfect sense."

8/20/2012 9:21:28 PM

I also just found out that a man's body can prevent pregnancy during a "legitimate" rape be it in the shower room of prison, in the back alleyway, or even in a shady, run-down room of the White Swallow bath house.

8/20/2012 10:15:02 PM

http://www.theonion.com/articles/i-misspokewhat-i-meant-to-say-is-i-am-dumb-as-dog,29256/

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"As a politician, I often find myself in situations where, unfortunately, I express a certain thought or idea poorly, or find my words taken out of context. Indeed, that is what happened this weekend. Upon reviewing the impromptu remarks I made Sunday afternoon, I can now see that I used the wrong words in the wrong way. I would now like to set the record straight with the American people and clear up some confusion about what it was I intended to convey. You see, what I said was, “If it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down.” But what I meant to say was, “I am a worthless, moronic sack of shit and an utterly irredeemable human being who needs to shut up and go away forever.”"

8/21/2012 10:21:46 AM

Akin let the deadline to drop out. He is in it to win it

8/21/2012 7:46:28 PM

Akin should be thrown in jail for being a moron and see if he can prevent "legitimate rape" of his anus.


[Edited on August 21, 2012 at 7:54 PM. Reason : indeed]

8/21/2012 7:53:29 PM

I love that the Democrats gave him money so that he would win the primary. That's hilarious.

8/21/2012 10:28:03 PM

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"I love that the Democrats gave him money so that he would win the primary. That's hilarious."

Imagine if the Republicans did that to the Democrats. Shit. Oh wait.

8/21/2012 10:38:31 PM

^ This is why we get shit candidates.

8/21/2012 10:39:16 PM

It doesn't matter. There's still a huge portion of the population in Missouri who is stupid enough to vote for him. If people didn't vote for these ridiculously bad candidates then this wouldn't even be an issue. But Republicans are so fucking stupid and easy to manipulate that this is a legit strategy.

8/21/2012 10:51:18 PM

Just another shining example that way too many republicans are in it just because they don't want the world to change - their allegiance to the party has nothing to do with any actual fiscal responsibility

8/21/2012 11:09:10 PM

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"I love that the Democrats gave him money so that he would win the primary. That's hilarious."

What's hilarious is you say things like this and expect people to take you seriously.

As Bullet would say, "What a hack!"

For the record, Akin is a piece of shit, but that doesn't mean you have to run around TSB making an ass of yourself.

Nobody is seriously defending this fool.

[Edited on August 21, 2012 at 11:12 PM. Reason : -]

8/21/2012 11:09:34 PM

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"For the record, Akin is a piece of shit"

All in favor....

[Edited on August 21, 2012 at 11:21 PM. Reason : Yay]

8/21/2012 11:21:18 PM

I mean, I guess if you're butthurt because the dude just made a Senate seat on lockdown a close race, it wouldn't be that funny. But from where I'm sitting, the Republicans deserve this guy 100%. People still voted for him more than anyone else. Ultimately, there is no one to blame except the hicks in Missouri.

8/21/2012 11:23:23 PM

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"I love that the Democrats gave him money so that he would win the primary. That's hilarious."

I could care less about his goddamn seat.

I was simply targeting one of your idiotic comments and suggesting that a lack of this mindset would be beneficial to our country's political system.

8/21/2012 11:30:52 PM

A lack of politicians such as Akin and the party that breeds them would be more beneficial to our country than your bumpkin analysis.

8/21/2012 11:33:30 PM

The party doesn't "breed" assholes like this.

They are simply assholes that flaunt their true colors at inopportune times.

The sooner you realize this the sooner you'll begin sounding like a more realistic person. You'll also be less disappointed when Democrats do similarly retarded things.

8/21/2012 11:38:04 PM

This line of thinking is going to destroy the republican party. It doesn't matter if the party breeds assholes or he is just an asshole.

8/21/2012 11:42:42 PM

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"The party doesn't "breed" assholes like this."

False.

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"They are simply assholes that flaunt their true colors at inopportune times."

True.

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"The sooner you realize this the sooner you'll begin sounding like a more realistic person. You'll also be less disappointed when Democrats do similarly retarded things."

I didn't fucking vote for the guy. A majority of people in Missouri did. Republicans did. Democrats say stupid shit too, but hardly ever anything on this level. Republicans say stupid shit like this so often that this isn't even that huge of a deal. People are just like, "WTF, this guy's an idiot." If a Democrat said something even remotely close to this bad, they would be pressured into resigning less than two days later. This guy hasn't even apologized. It's because he, and all the backwards hillbillies in the Republican Party who support him, actually believe demonstrably false ideas like this. It's an absolute joke.

8/21/2012 11:45:53 PM

^using asinine generalizations like that is sure to convert people to your side

"the republican party breeds assholes". are you kidding me?

there are idiots everywhere.

joe biden could have his own personal top-ten list of dumb shit he has said.

8/21/2012 11:52:30 PM

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"It's because he, and all the backwards hillbillies in the Republican Party who support him, actually believe demonstrably false ideas like this. It's an absolute joke."

The fact that you truly believe this is scary, and also makes you the liberal equivalent of these "backwards hillbillies."

But keep trying your damndest to widen the partisan gap as wide as possible; surely only good will come of that.

8/21/2012 11:53:19 PM

^it's not just him, that's how every single democrat out there is

[Edited on August 21, 2012 at 11:56 PM. Reason : i can do it, too]

8/21/2012 11:55:57 PM

So you think it's ok that people like Sarah Palin, Michelle Bachmann, and this Akin guy can not only get away with saying things like this, but to be respected leaders within their party? AND I'M THE PROBLEM???

Maybe the problem with government is continually allowing these morons to be re-elected and make decisions that affect all of us when they have trouble comprehending even the most simple of facts. You're goddamn right that I am going to ridicule that. If a Democrat said that, I would ridicule them even more and hope to god that they resign.

8/22/2012 12:05:12 AM

there's no way you're more interested in chastising idiots in your own party over conservatives.

if so, you'd never shut up about al sharpton, to name one.

8/22/2012 12:16:29 AM

I am not a fan of Al Sharpton. But he isn't an actual politician. I don't spend a lot of time criticizing Bill O'Reilly or Rush Limbaugh either even though I think they are incredibly damaging to the political discourse in this country.

I will readily criticize Democrats. For instance, I really don't like Harry Reid. I didn't like him before this whole Romney tax thing. I think he's a corrupt piece of shit who needs to shut the fuck up and GTFO of Congress. I also don't like Dodd, even though he's just a lobbyist now. I think Bev Perdue is a cunt. Charlie Rangel is only a Representative still because he's a black guy representing Harlem. He's as close to a Michele Bachmann as you can get in the Democratic Party.

I guarantee you there are more, but I'm not going to go through every single politician and give you my opinion on them. I don't like Democrats. I think they're a step away from being as bad as the Republicans. But I think it's a very clear-cut step. Don't confuse my disgust with the Republicans as an endorsement of the Dems. They're both corrupt as fuck. But I don't see Democrats telling bald-faced factual lies and getting away with it.

8/22/2012 12:27:50 AM

Haha, two things.

1) I love that you equated Al Sharpton to Bill O Reilly / Rush Limbaugh. It's an idiotic comparison of course, but since I dislike all three of them I'll let it slide because it's amusing.

2) I find your choice of four Democrats to criticize odd given all the options. I'm just going to assume they're on the shortlist of Democrats you're actually familiar with. By the same token I'm sure you never heard of Todd before August 19th.

Note: I basically agree with you again here, although I don't distinguish between each party's misgivings; they're exactly alike in all their shittiness. You simply align yourself with Democrats (as I do Republicans) because you agree with more of their policies. It's completely acceptable to both agree with and criticize something without pretending to be completely unbiased.

You're only human (as are we).

[Edited on August 22, 2012 at 6:30 AM. Reason : -]

8/22/2012 6:23:33 AM

They're exactly alike in their shittiness except in regards to everything. It takes a special kind of groupthink to compare "women who get raped should keep their babies" to anything Joe Biden ever said. Nevermind "If it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down."

My favorite part is that Republicans in this very state have said exactly the same shit in the past: http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Lawmaker-Says-Rape-Can-t-Cause-Pregnancy-3036411.php#ixzz1plYb6Vjh

Where are these retards getting their science from? Oh wait, I know the answer to that one.

[Edited on August 22, 2012 at 9:31 AM. Reason : .]

8/22/2012 9:28:34 AM

Way to pull something from fucking 1995 and from a State Legislator not a Congressman, he is also dead. Akin is an idiot whose comments on something that should not be a big platform issue in this cycle to the forefront. Now all the media is going to talk about up until the RNC next week is abortion and the typical hard line right Pro-Life stance. A lot of Republicans are against abortion, I don't know why this is some huge news. They don't have the ability to outlaw it despite the posturing.

There are more pressing issues facing our country then abortion and Todd Akin is a moron for opening his fucking mouth and talking about this issue. He should have focused on McCaskill being a shill for Obama and his economic policies. Stay away from social hot button issues like abortion because the media has a field day with that.

[Edited on August 22, 2012 at 10:23 AM. Reason : .]

8/22/2012 10:19:52 AM

Lawmakers in this country don't pass laws? Why do you think they don't have the ability to pass legislature on social issues? I know you don't want us to be concerned about the fucking barbaric medieval thoughts the republican party has about science, women, and homosexuals but they do pass laws and they do affect public policy.

He's not an idiot for opening his mouth. He's a monster for being committed to forcing rape victims to carry their pregnancies to term. And you're right, it's not far off at all from republican orthodoxy. There are plenty of republican congressmen and senators that want to outlaw abortion even for rape victims. (Like Paul Ryan prior to Akin's public shaming) I was just delighted that I found someone from NC no less to try to use the "rape victims don't get pregnant" defense.

[Edited on August 22, 2012 at 10:49 AM. Reason : .]

8/22/2012 10:38:26 AM

^^Is this guy for real?

Abortion not a worthwhile media topic?
Pro-life, even in the case of rape is nothing new for Republicans?
Mad because the candidate revealed his extremism, not because of the extremism itself?
Politicians are supposed to keep their unpopular positions secret?

8/22/2012 11:24:47 AM

http://veracitystew.com/2012/08/21/idaho-republican-wonders-if-women-even-know-what-rape-is/

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"Rape and incest was used as a reason to oppose this. I would hope that when a woman goes in to a physician with a rape issue, that physician will indeed ask her about perhaps her marriage, was this pregnancy caused by normal relations in a marriage or was it truly caused by a rape. I assume that’s part of the counseling that goes on."

Usually when you are in a hole the first step is to stop digging.

8/22/2012 12:00:45 PM

Abortion is a worthy topic for debate in times, but I can see Democrats and the Media try to make this a bigger issue than it needs to be. Abortion is not a topic that should be dominating the headlines, it should be the economy.

Being Pro-Life has long been a stance of a lot of Republican canidates so his views should not be surprising

Akin's views on rape and abortion are not my views, but I ask if you are against abortion for whatever reason wouldn't you be against any abortion regardless of the circumstance. I don't agree with that but that is there perspective

8/22/2012 12:01:44 PM

The economy is boring.

8/22/2012 12:16:27 PM

Saying stupid shit about abortion does not only have an impact on that specific policy. It calls into question his entire worldview and level of intelligence, which according to his view on this particular policy, is at about the level of a 4 year old.

8/22/2012 12:35:47 PM

Why would I trust someone to handle issues on the economy when he makes up his own scientific "facts" that are proven to be wrong? Do I have a reason do believe that he will stick to actual facts about the economy and he only likes to make things up when discussing rape and abortion?

8/22/2012 12:49:29 PM

I'm pro-choice myself, but I actually respect the "no abortions EVER" stance more than "no abortions except rape." The people in the first group believe that abortion is murder, and murder is never justified. At least those people are sticking to their principles. Shouldn't the innocent fetus be protected no matter how it was conceived? The rape exception says it's not about protecting life. The rape exception says that raising a child is just punishment for women who have consensual sex.

That being said, Senator Aiken is still an ignorant ass who made an ass of himself.

8/22/2012 6:01:12 PM

Yeah, the moral objection to abortion should at minimum be logically consistent.

I think once the fetus is displaying brain activity above just simple movement, say around the 10 week mark abortion should no longer be a legal option. Before then I don't think you can really call it a life so abortion is a single party medical procedure. After that I feel like it's as much a life as any baby is. At that point it shouldn't matter how that life was conceived, only that it is a person and as such has a right to exist.

The only exception for abortion after that point, IMO would be to save the life of the mother who should not be obligated to give her life in exchange for her child's.

8/22/2012 6:16:48 PM

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"I'm pro-choice myself, but I actually respect the "no abortions EVER" stance more than "no abortions except rape." The people in the first group believe that abortion is murder, and murder is never justified. At least those people are sticking to their principles."

Of course murder is justified. Our country frequently murders people to protect freedom and mete out justice. Rape exception people recognize that protecting life does not always come before protecting freedom (a woman's right to self-determination). If you're pro-choice, you should understand this line of reasoning, because its the same as your own. The only difference is where someone draws the line at life vs freedom.

That is, unless you're pro-choice because you believe that a fetus is never alive and has zero rights as a person, no matter how close to birth.

8/23/2012 5:15:35 AM

Protection for the unborn but not the born.

8/23/2012 7:48:34 AM

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/08/22/opinion/prewitt-rapist-visitation-rights/index.html?iref=obinsite

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"It would not be long before I would learn firsthand that in the vast majority of states -- 31 -- men who father through rape are able to assert the same custody and visitation rights to their children that other fathers enjoy. When no law prohibits a rapist from exercising these rights, a woman may feel forced to bargain away her legal rights to a criminal trial in exchange for the rapist dropping the bid to have access to her child."

the fuck?

8/23/2012 9:22:30 AM

Should a rapist be forced to pay child support? I think everyone would say yes. I'm having a hard time understanding why exactly they should never see their child as an additional punishment. Definitely wouldn't want to force a woman to see the dude ever again so they could arrange for transfer through a 3rd party or something. And obviously if he's a danger to the child, fuck him, as in all cases of parents being dangers to their children/spouses.

8/23/2012 9:40:38 AM

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"I'm having a hard time understanding why exactly they should never see their child as an additional punishment."

This is a joke right?

8/23/2012 9:52:32 AM

Absolutely not. If the man has paid his debt to society and is supporting the child financially he should be able to see his child unless he's a danger to him or her.

Explain why they shouldn't or just knee-jerk and insult without thought, whichever you're capable of.

Also, if a woman rapes a man, should we take away the child from her when it's born and permanently deny visitation or custody? It makes absolutely no sense.

[Edited on August 23, 2012 at 10:30 AM. Reason : .]

8/23/2012 10:21:30 AM

"Drop your child support claims, or I am going to assert visitation rights."

By giving the rapist this right, you still give him power over his victim. In a crime that is all about power and dominance, that is the last thing he should have. She should have the power to determine if he gets any sort of visitation rights.

8/23/2012 10:52:02 AM

I fail to see how letting the child's father see him or her (if he even wishes to and poses no danger to the child) is "power over his victim."

The only reason you see it as a power struggle is because you see "asserting visitation rights" as some sort of attack on the woman. Is it and if so, why is it?

Not every rape is some random guy attacking a woman in a parking garage. In a country where if both adults are drunk the man is considered raping the woman I think we need to be rational about the parental consequences of children conceived in rape.

I also think that people can change (and becoming a father may be one of the strongest catalysts for change possible). I'm not saying implicitly trust them but if they can demonstrate that they're not a danger to the child and are being held financially responsible why shouldn't they have visitation rights?

[Edited on August 23, 2012 at 11:11 AM. Reason : .]

8/23/2012 11:09:14 AM

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"Just how many of the women who give birth to children conceived in rape have to deal with fathers who wish to exercise custody rights is not easy to determine via Internet research alone, but Prewitt’s is not the only case on record and readily available online. A year 2000 case in Delaware, Shepherd v. Clemens, thankfully “concluded that when a child is conceived and born as the result of an unlawful sexual intercourse as defined in the code, the biological father shall not be permitted visitation,” per this article about the parental rights of rapists. The article goes on to list several cases wherein state courts have determined that rapists do not deserve parental rights, and concludes with the statement, “Those states that have not addressed the issue should do so, for to do so would be to guard the best interests of the child. A man who has raped a woman simply cannot be said to have established requisite parental rights necessary to accord him custody/visitation rights.” Prewitt has made it her calling to convince those very states that have not ruled on this issue to do so, and to do so in favor of protecting innocent children from a rapist father. She writes, “Today, it seems we may face a new and unbelievable challenge: convincing legislators that women can conceive when they are raped. Make no mistake, my efforts and the efforts of others to persuade legislators to pass laws restricting the parental rights of men who father through rape will be directly impacted by Akin’s recent comments. Whether these efforts will be helped or hurt, however, depends upon us as a society.”"

http://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=4921430419025966065&hl=en&as_sdt=2&as_vis=1&oi=scholarr

http://childsupportguidelines.com/articles/art200106.html

http://blogs.babble.com/strollerderby/2012/08/22/in-31-states-attackers-can-have-rights-to-a-child-they-father-through-rape/

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"In other words, the rapist exerts control over his victim once again, using the baby produced from the attack as a bargaining chip. His offer, “I’ll leave you alone and let go of the custody thing as long as you don’t try to prosecute me for what I did,” is grotesque, but no doubt very effective. Prewitt says of this dynamic, “it is not surprising that a man who cruelly degrades a woman would also seek to torture her in an even more agonizing way, by seeking access to her child.”"

I'll add this to the already overwhelming chorus of "Fuck you, Todd Akin."

Fuck you sir for giving the subhuman (disco_stu) something to talk about.

Rape is a heinous crime you piece of shit, and rapists are sex offenders for life. In civilized society NORMAL people understand that for certain crimes your "debt" is never satisfied (and rightfully so). I'm sorry you're too obtuse and robotic to understand any of this but so be it. Your "I'm completely innocent because I am applying the righteousness of logic" shtick isn't going to fucking cut it in a rape thread.



[Edited on August 23, 2012 at 11:19 AM. Reason : -]

8/23/2012 11:14:37 AM

mindless quotations, links, and insults. par for the course.

None of that explains why they shouldn't have rights, how it's "power over the victim." I'm not talking about not prosecuting the perpetrator. I said, specifically, "if he's paid his debt to society."

Simply asserting that "seeking access to her child" is "torturing her in an even more agonizing way" doesn't make it so and just quoting it from a blog instead of forming a cogent thought is lame.

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"Rape is a heinous crime you piece of shit, and rapists are sex offenders for life. In civilized society NORMAL people understand that for certain crimes your "debt" is never satisfied (and rightfully so). I'm sorry you're too obtuse and robotic to understand any of this but so be it. Your "I'm completely innocent because I am applying the righteousness of logic" shtick isn't going to fucking cut it in a rape thread."

I see. I'm "obtuse" and "robotic" because I don't paint every man accused of rape as the worst offender against humanity of all time.

[Edited on August 23, 2012 at 11:22 AM. Reason : .]

8/23/2012 11:18:23 AM