Who has seen it?

8/24/2012 11:34:51 PM

I really want to

8/25/2012 12:33:20 AM

Jesus fucking Christ I am so glad I don't have cable.

8/25/2012 5:01:11 AM

Its not on cable.
I saw it last night.
A lot of things make sense now.

[Edited on August 25, 2012 at 8:12 AM. Reason : ]

8/25/2012 8:11:20 AM

lol

8/25/2012 8:26:43 AM

I'm glad I don't have cable so that I don't have the see the commercials advertising it.

8/25/2012 9:59:28 AM

Don't judge until you see it.
Its not what I thought it was going to be.
It kinda makes me want to vote for him.

8/25/2012 10:11:36 AM

just saw it last night - I recommend it

8/27/2012 11:10:11 AM

^why do you recommend it?

I haven't seen the first advertisment or anything about this, I am very curious.

8/27/2012 11:25:24 AM

Holy crap, this is a movie!

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2247692/

I was like "but 2016 isn't an election year..."

8/27/2012 11:26:21 AM

What do you mean, 2016 isn't an election year?

I like how the synopis on imdb states that "...Dinesh D'Souza races against time to find answers to Obama's past and reveal where America will be in 2016."

He won't just speculate what America will be like in 2016, he will "reveal" it!


[Edited on August 27, 2012 at 11:37 AM. Reason : ]

8/27/2012 11:33:00 AM

that was a pretty epic math failure

8/27/2012 11:37:50 AM

I recommend it because it reveals things about Obama and his history and people that have influenced his life that the mainstream media refuses to report.

8/27/2012 12:16:52 PM

Do you feel it's propaganda, or do you take it for truth?
I've read that it presents a lot of possible conspiracy theories as truth.

[Edited on August 27, 2012 at 12:27 PM. Reason : ]

8/27/2012 12:26:43 PM

goddamn mainstream media and their refusal to report crackpot conspiracy theories

[Edited on August 27, 2012 at 12:30 PM. Reason : TRUTH]

8/27/2012 12:29:50 PM

I think everything Obama wrote in his books is 100% fair game stuff. It sounds like that's a lot of the fodder for this stuff.

8/27/2012 12:39:35 PM

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"I recommend it because it reveals things about Obama and his history and people that have influenced his life that the mainstream media refuses to report."

Can you expand on this? I don't want to watch the movie until I've done a decent amount of research on the accusations that will be made. Plus I have no idea where to watch this movie.

8/27/2012 12:56:18 PM

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"I haven't seen the first advertisment or anything about this, I am very curious."

http://2016themovie.com/trailer/

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"Do you feel it's propaganda, or do you take it for truth?"

Obviously the timing of the release of the movie is intentional. But I take the parts about his family history, his upbringing, and the quotes from his book as truth.

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"Can you expand on this? I don't want to watch the movie until I've done a decent amount of research on the accusations that will be made."

That's fine, do your research and then go see it. They aren't so much accusations as they are exposing the personal and family history that you haven't heard of that makes you think. I did my research and found the movie to be parallel to what I had learned.

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"I've read that it presents a lot of possible conspiracy theories as truth."

So you're saying that you're reading left-leaning reviews and publications? Sure he makes some predictions about the future, some which may be sort of a stretch. But to deny that our economy is doing poorly and will continue to decline; and that unemployment is high and more people will stop looking for work; and that our national debt is projected to reach $20 trillion; you're just sticking your head in the sand. And to think like the Washington Post and just dismiss that the people in Obama's circle of past associates, like the communist mentor Frank Marshall Davis and the famous reverend Jeremiah Wright, aren't alarming, is alarming.

Just see the movie with an open and unbiased mind and decide for yourself.

8/27/2012 2:12:36 PM

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"So you're saying that you're reading left-leaning reviews and publications? Sure he makes some predictions about the future, some which may be sort of a stretch. But to deny that our economy is doing poorly and will continue to decline; and that unemployment is high and more people will stop looking for work; and that our national debt is projected to reach $20 trillion; you're just sticking your head in the sand. And to think like the Washington Post and just dismiss that the people in Obama's circle of past associates, like the communist mentor Frank Marshall Davis and the famous reverend Jeremiah Wright, aren't alarming, is alarming. Just see the movie with an open and unbiased mind and decide for yourself. "

you do realize how closed minded your statements were, right?

8/27/2012 2:45:19 PM

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"Here's how D'Souza, an Indian-American evangelical Christian who introduces himself in the film as "a writer, speaker, thinker," concluded his Forbes piece: "Our President is trapped in his father's time machine. Incredibly, the U.S. is being ruled according to the dreams of a Luo tribesman of the 1950s. This philandering, inebriated African socialist, who raged against the world for denying him the realization of his anticolonial ambitions, is now setting the nation's agenda through the reincarnation of his dreams in his son. The son makes it happen, but he candidly admits he is only living out his father's dream. The invisible father provides the inspiration, and the son dutifully gets the job done. America today is governed by a ghost." http://www.philly.com/philly/entertainment/movies/167545205.html#ixzz24m33L1DA "

yeeeahhhhhhh......no.

8/27/2012 2:50:51 PM

^yeah, that sounds pretty conspiracy theory-ish.

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"So you're saying that you're reading left-leaning reviews and publications? "

well, mainly from a few comments on it in chit-chat. and the write-up on imdb site talking about how the director "reveals" how america will be in 2016, like he has some sort of time-machine.

8/27/2012 4:02:43 PM

D'Souza is a tool.

When you see this kind of sentence concluding a review you can usually assume that it is indeed complete dog shit:

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"On a purely aesthetic level, co-directors Dinesh D’Souza and John Sullivan, include crisp editing, fast-pacing, lively graphics and even a few moments of comic relief to make for not only an eye-opening, scary and enraging documentary, but also a highly entertaining one to boot."

ooohh comic relief!

http://www.awardsdaily.com/blog/2012/08/24/obamas-america-tests-the-weaknesses-of-rotten-tomatoes/

Also, the whole premise of this film and of every conservative pundit is that four more years of Obama will be the apocalypse. Really? In the scheme of things, not much fucking happened in the last four years.

[Edited on August 27, 2012 at 4:14 PM. Reason : asdfasdf]

8/27/2012 4:12:37 PM

saw it last night, highly recommend it

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"I recommend it because it reveals things about Obama and his history and people that have influenced his life that the mainstream media refuses to report."

8/27/2012 4:24:26 PM

Like what?!? Can you expand?

8/27/2012 4:36:06 PM

we don't want to spoil it for those that haven't seen it yet

8/27/2012 4:45:25 PM

Spoil it? It's nonfiction... right?

Besides, you'd rather help fund some ultra-rich nutjobs as much as possible instead of giving us the tools needed to get Obama out?

[Edited on August 27, 2012 at 4:54 PM. Reason : asdfadsfsd]

8/27/2012 4:53:02 PM

not MY president... [/sarcasm]

8/27/2012 4:57:11 PM

Yeah, you're making it sound unbelievable when you're saying you don't want to talk about a "documentary" because you don't want to "spoil it".

8/27/2012 5:10:06 PM

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"we don't want to spoil it for those that haven't seen it yet"

you get a weekend at a ski resort if you sit through the whole presentation

8/27/2012 5:47:37 PM

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"I think everything Obama wrote in his books is 100% fair game stuff."

100% of nothing is nothing.

8/27/2012 10:13:04 PM

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"In the scheme of things, not much fucking happened in the last four years."

This is what uninformed trash thinks.

You either have nothing or contribute nothing to society.

Which is it?

8/27/2012 11:06:19 PM

http://news.yahoo.com/fact-check-anti-obama-film-muddy-facts-072153385--politics.html

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"The assertion that Obama's presidency is an expression of his father's political beliefs, which D'Souza first made in 2010 in his book "The Roots of Obama's Rage," is almost entirely subjective and a logical stretch at best."

8/28/2012 10:42:17 AM

I'm conflicted. I do want to see this, but I don't want to give my money to the director.

Apparently it's playing in North Hills and Brier Creek:

http://www.google.com/movies?hl=en&near=Raleigh,+NC&dq=obama+2016&sort=1&mid=d65eeebaa6d36b72&sa=X&ei=8ds8ULazNYz68QSBtYGoBw&ved=0CEIQwAMoJQ

8/28/2012 11:02:24 AM

I'll probably watch it online when it's available and only purchase it if it's a decent documentary.

8/28/2012 12:00:47 PM

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"This is what uninformed trash thinks. You either have nothing or contribute nothing to society. Which is it?"

Probably both. Do you need a hug or something?

Did I miss something? Sure, the budget deficits are horrible, but that's somewhat understandable considering Obama inherited the worst recession in decades. And I hardly see what it has to the anti-colonialism of a 1950s Luo tribesman. But what else?

The top tax bracket has historically varied from 7% to 94%. That's significant variation. I don't consider a 0% change in the last decade huge variation.

Unemployment has historically varied from 2.5% to 10.8%. It's now the same as it was the month after Obama took office (8.3%). I don't consider 0% change in 4 years huge variation.

NASA's budget has historically varied from 0.1% to 4.4% of GDP. NASA's budget is roughly the same as it was 4 years ago (~0.5%; protip: it has been going down for years) and nominally it has gone up.

Obama ended one long running war and continued our longest running war.

Entitlement programs haven't been reformed. Immigration hasn't been reformed. Gitmo hasn't been closed. There is no public option. Obama hasn't turned the US into either a truly secular society or a muslim theocracy.

And yet 4 more years of Obama in office will bring the apocalypse and I am uninformed trash?

[Edited on August 28, 2012 at 2:07 PM. Reason : asdfasdf]

8/28/2012 1:56:41 PM

http://www.wral.com/entertainment/story/11476211/

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" FACT CHECK: Anti-Obama film muddy on facts By BETH FOUHY, Associated Press WASHINGTON — "2016: Obama's America," a new conservative film exploring the roots of President Barack Obama's political views, took in $6.2 million to make it one of the highest-grossing movies of last weekend. The film, written and narrated by conservative scholar Dinesh D'Souza, argues that Obama was heavily influenced by what D'Souza calls the "anti-colonial" beliefs of his father, Barack Obama Sr., a Kenyan academic who was largely absent from the president's life. To document that claim, D'Souza travels to Kenya to interview members of Obama's extended family as well as to Hawaii and Indonesia, where Obama grew up. He also cites several actions and policy positions Obama has taken to support the thesis that Obama is ideologically rooted in the Third World and harbors contempt for the country that elected him its first black president. The assertion that Obama's presidency is an expression of his father's political beliefs, which D'Souza first made in 2010 in his book "The Roots of Obama's Rage," is almost entirely subjective and a logical stretch at best. It's true that Obama's father lived most of his life in Kenya, an African nation once colonized by the British, and that Obama's reverence for his absent father frames his best-selling memoir. D'Souza even sees clues in the book's title: "Notice it says 'Dreams From My Father,' not 'of' my father," D'Souza says. But it's difficult to see how Obama's political leanings could have been so directly shaped by his father, as D'Souza claims. The elder Obama left his wife and young son, the future president, when Obama was 2 and visited his son only once, when Obama was 10. But D'Souza frames that loss as an event that reinforced rather than weakened the president's ties to his father, who died in a car crash when Obama was in college. D'Souza interviews Paul Vitz, a New York University psychologist who has studied the impact of absent fathers on children. In Obama's case, Vitz says, the abandonment meant "he has the tension between the Americanism and his Africanism. He himself is an intersection of major political forces in his own psychology." From there, the evidence D'Souza uses to support his assertion starts to grow thin. D'Souza says Obama's mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, shared his father's left-leaning views. After living in Indonesia for several years, D'Souza said, Dunham sent the younger Obama to live with his grandparents in Hawaii so he would not be influenced by her second husband, Lolo Soetoro, an Indonesian who worked for American oil companies and fought communists as a member of the Indonesian army. "Ann separates Barry from Lolo's growing pro-Western influence," D'Souza says in the film. Obama has said his mother had sent him back to Hawaii so he would be educated in the United States. In Hawaii, D'Souza asserts with no evidence, Obama sympathized with native Hawaiians who felt they had been marginalized by the American government when Hawaii was becoming a state. D'Souza also asserts — again with no evidence — that Obama had been coached to hold those views at Punahou, the prestigious prep school he attended in Honolulu. "Oppression studies, if you will. Obama got plenty of that when he was here in Punahou," D'Souza says, standing on the campus. In Kenya, D'Souza interviews Philip Ochieng, a lifelong friend of the president's father, who claims the elder Obama was "totally anti-colonial." Ochieng also discloses some of his own political views, complaining about U.S. policy in Afghanistan and Iraq and saying the U.S. refuses to "tame" Israel, which he calls a "Trojan horse in the Middle East." D'Souza seems to suggest that if a onetime friend of Obama's late father holds those opinions, so too must the president himself. D'Souza then goes through a list of actions Obama has taken as president to support his thesis. Many of them don't hold water: — D'Souza rightly argues that the national debt has risen to $16 trillion under Obama. But he never mentions the explosion of debt that occurred under Obama's predecessor, Republican George W. Bush, nor the 2008 global financial crisis that provoked a shock to the U.S. economy. — D'Souza says Obama is "weirdly sympathetic to Muslim jihadists" in Afghanistan and Pakistan. He does not mention that Obama ordered the raid that killed Osama bin Laden and the drone strikes that have killed dozens of terrorists in the region. —D'Souza wrongly claims that Obama wants to return control of the Falkland Islands from Britain to Argentina. The U.S. refused in April to endorse a final declaration on Argentina's claim to the islands at the Summit of the Americas, provoking criticism from other Latin American nations. —D'Souza says Obama has "done nothing" to impede Iran's nuclear ambitions, despite the severe trade and economic sanctions his administration has imposed on Iran to halt its suspected nuclear program. Obama opposes a near-term military strike on Iran, either by the U.S. or Israel, although he says the U.S. will never tolerate a nuclear-armed Iran. — D'Souza says Obama removed a bust of British Prime Minister Winston Churchill from the Oval Office because Churchill represented British colonialism. White House curator William Allman said the bust, which had been on loan, was already scheduled to be returned before Obama took office. Another bust of Churchill is on display in the president's private residence, the White House says."

AND we get the added LOLs from GOLO folks

8/28/2012 2:18:08 PM

An anti-colonialist President? The founding fathers must be rolling in their graves.

8/28/2012 4:21:54 PM

The republican base is so brainwashed, they will believe anything that is thrown at them. Those fools are POOR and pay KILLER BILLS, yet all the wealthy have to is say "if you work hard you can be a millionaire, that's what makes this country so great!".

Also, politics get thrown so much in churches that it makes me sick.

8/28/2012 8:04:39 PM

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"The republican base is so brainwashed"

I would go to say that the Democratic base is also brainwashed.

Both parties rely on the sheeple... they have to resort to fear tactics to keep their sheeple in line.

8/28/2012 8:36:39 PM

You don't see the same level of stuff coming from the Democrats. Nothing that influences as many people, anyway.

8/29/2012 5:52:15 AM

Yeah, facts and compelling evidence are hard to get around.
Beth Fouhy is known to to be in the bag for Obama and that article omits or is flat out wrong about the movie.
The movie shows a chart of the deficit of all Presidents and specifically shows its growth under GWB.

So, for those of you that love Obama so much, go see the movie and tell me where it is wrong.
Don't want to give money to D'Souza? Buy a ticket for a movie you like and just walk into 2016. No ever checks the stubs and its what I do for Michael Moore movies.

[Edited on August 29, 2012 at 8:41 AM. Reason : ]

8/29/2012 8:28:36 AM

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"that article omits or is flat out wrong about the movie"

The article presented 5 different issues discussed in the movie. You somewhat refuted one of those points, and that's your argument for why everyone should ignore the article and go see the movie? Start by showing that each one of those points is the opposite of the truth

8/29/2012 9:18:22 AM

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"I would go to say that the Democratic base is also brainwashed."

So, in response to this I say that prolly a good number of libs come from conservative families that develop their own views and stray away from the republican dogma. Can you say the same for republicans? I don't think so...

[Edited on August 29, 2012 at 9:59 AM. Reason : jh]

8/29/2012 9:54:57 AM

^^ yep, you are right. I'll post more on it later when I have time. I got a job and a life that comes before entertaining you.

8/29/2012 7:09:34 PM

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"You don't see the same level of stuff coming from the Democrats."

This statement blows my mind. How naive.

8/29/2012 8:44:34 PM

Dinesh dsouza, lol. He's been on a couple of colberts. He's like a well spoken brown Anne coulter.

8/29/2012 8:47:10 PM

^That image made me cringe then laugh.

8/29/2012 10:40:37 PM

There was a rumor him and Anne were bwning.

Not sure how true it was.

8/29/2012 10:42:49 PM

funny, i cant think of a single wingbat liberal that makes shitty incorrect movies.

8/29/2012 11:23:43 PM

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"An anti-colonialist President? The founding fathers must be rolling in their graves."

8/30/2012 12:30:37 AM