...the discord was whether or not to allow the nominated candidate to control delegate selection and the disenfranchisement of entires state delegations (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKaXqoC4DjE) , vs. whether or not God exists and Jerusalem is the capital of Israel (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8BwqzzqcDs).

gotta love the two party system

9/5/2012 10:37:59 PM

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"Belief in God is central to the American story and informs the values we expressed in our party's platform."

Fuck you, atheists.

9/5/2012 11:17:45 PM

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"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion"

9/5/2012 11:20:48 PM

The capital of Israel has nothing to do with the real issues getting fixed over here. Seriously, how many Americans have been to Israel or have personal ties to that country??? Just another issue to appease some lobbyists... Also, what people believe about God is their personal business and doesn't need to be brought up in a political event.

9/5/2012 11:21:23 PM

I admit that I'm perplexed: the capital of Israel isn't Jerusalem.

[Edited on September 5, 2012 at 11:55 PM. Reason : I mean, is Barcelona the capital of Spain now?]

9/5/2012 11:52:48 PM

Yes Kdogg, but your party is the one that started to make a stink about it.

9/6/2012 1:27:17 AM

They should put Tel Aviv as the capital of Israel in the platform since Tel Aviv is a more important economic center and will lead to more job creation back in the US.

9/6/2012 1:36:34 AM

Yes, but Tel Aviv isn't where Jesus will land and save Christians.

9/6/2012 1:40:04 AM

Wikipedia says Jerusalem is the capital but isn't internationally recognized as it.

Tel Aviv is much larger and the financial center.

I can't load that movie so I'm not sure what kdogg is blabbing about.

9/6/2012 7:26:31 AM

^^^^ no party here...thanks for playing...try again.

9/6/2012 8:57:49 AM

lol

I guess they used one of those crowd "Let's make some noise" loudness meters to ratify the 2/3rds majority.

[Edited on September 6, 2012 at 9:23 AM. Reason : -]

9/6/2012 9:15:11 AM

kdogg is very upset about GOD and doesnt trust GODLESS ATHEISM

9/6/2012 9:53:10 AM

Yeah, this was 100% bullshit.

9/6/2012 10:11:56 AM

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_CVN_DEMOCRATS_PLATFORM?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-09-05-18-39-05


A take on it. I agree it was 100% crap and it was obvious the actual delegate vote didn't matter. It was going ahead regardless. As an atheist and non-Israel fan this definitely pisses me off but more importantly it was an illusion of democracy to be sure.

The RNC is not absolved of wrong doing either when it came to the rule changes screwing Ron Paul supporters.

9/6/2012 10:37:37 AM

A voice vote for your party's platform. Really?

Glad I'm not welcome.

9/6/2012 10:47:42 AM

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"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion"

Agreed, but since this is technically a private political party and not a government entity, they can profess whatever they want. Then like all good politicians, when elected into office, they'll simply ignore their platform/

9/6/2012 10:54:00 AM

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"The RNC is not absolved of wrong doing either when it came to the rule changes screwing Ron Paul supporters."

The point of OP.

Sand and Hoops are just ignorant in their assumptions.

9/6/2012 2:57:17 PM

Quote :

"You gotta let them do what they're gonna do."

9/6/2012 4:31:31 PM

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/08/29/two-people-removed-from-rnc-after-taunting-black-camera-operator/

lol

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"Two people were removed from the Republican National Convention Tuesday after they threw nuts at an African-American CNN camera operator and said, “This is how we feed animals.”"

9/7/2012 12:15:45 AM

seriously?

Can we at least now start to talk about the 2-party system for what it is? A monopoly on political power like the Chinese 1-party system, one that is at least partially enabled by our voting rules, electoral college, a partially parliamentary-minded constitution that's mismatched to our parties today.

I mean, can we at least like bring it up in civilized company after this shit?

9/7/2012 9:19:33 AM

Anybody who, after watching those videos, still says they have a vote in either party is either kidding themselves or is part of the oligarchy of the Establishment.

Not surprising, FAUX News failed to report the RNC "Ron Paul Moment," but jumped on the DNC Moment.

9/7/2012 9:23:55 AM

http://batmanwi.com/2012/09/06/dnc-delegate-leaves-party-joins-occupy-after-forced-vote-at-convention/

The Democrats decided to try to reinsert “God” and “Jerusalem” back into their platform with a voice vote during the DNC. Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa, the convention chairman, asked for approval from the delegates, but was met with strong opposition. After asking three separate times, and still not receiving enough approval from the delegates, he still determined that those present had voted in favor.

For Daniel McKenzie, a young delegate from Minneapolis, this was the breaking point. He got up, left the convention, and came to find us protestors, who were in Marshal Park at the time. Once at the park, he did a mic check to tell all of us what had happened, and that he did not approve of it. He then told us that he was leaving the Democratic Party, and instead would be joining the Occupy movement. This was the point where he realized neither party was actually acting as a voice for the people, and that instead he needed to take to the streets with rest of us to voice our opposition to the corrupt system.

9/7/2012 9:24:44 AM

Ben Swann's video of the DNC.

http://youtu.be/HmaE2Aez_XY

9/7/2012 9:26:53 AM

I love the expression on the Arab American's face. Pure "WTF"

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"Multiple witnesses observed the exchange and RNC security and police immediately removed the two people from the Tampa Bay Times Forum. The convention released a statement saying, “Two attendees tonight exhibited deplorable behavior. Their conduct was inexcusable and unacceptable. This kind of behavior will not be tolerated." "

Surprising that any action was taken against the attendees at all, given past conventions.

9/7/2012 11:04:51 AM

It's obvious that both conventions are complete shams and should be widely regarded as illegitimate.

9/7/2012 12:24:22 PM

But if they are illegitimate, the body can't naturally force the pregnancy out.

9/7/2012 1:45:39 PM

political parties have the right to be illegitimate. If the party leadership is holding scam votes, then that's that. It's their organization. You don't have to be there.

But these two organizations get privileged access to the ballot. That's the problem.

When these parties have to worry if their candidates will make the ballot I'll be happy.

9/7/2012 1:55:51 PM

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"political parties have the right to be illegitimate."

Show me where it says they have a right to be illegitimate.

9/7/2012 1:58:13 PM

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"political parties have the right to be illegitimate. If the party leadership is holding scam votes, then that's that. It's their organization. You don't have to be there. But these two organizations get privileged access to the ballot. That's the problem. When these parties have to worry if their candidates will make the ballot I'll be happy."

Well, right. The system is controlled in such a way that parties outside of the two-party establishment are not even given an opportunity to participate. In fact, the GOP is actively trying to keep third parties from getting on the ballot:

http://beyondthecurtain.wordpress.com/2012/09/06/gop-suing-to-keep-third-parties-off-ballot-in-november/

They don't like the idea of a third party taking their election.

It's an extremely complex relationship between the government, party leadership, and the media. I won't pretend to know who is really pulling the strings. However, looking at the similarities between the two conventions and how voice vote was ignored in favor of a scripted responses is pretty fucking fishy.

[Edited on September 7, 2012 at 2:33 PM. Reason : ]

9/7/2012 2:28:00 PM

Show you... in that constitution that lays out the rules for how political parties operate?

Oh yeah, that's right, such a thing doesn't exist. Because democracies don't dictate how parties run themselves. Because parties are supposed to be changeable. Unless you're communist.

9/7/2012 2:29:18 PM

So how do you square the relatively unscripted nature of both Clint Eastwood's and Clinton's speech with your narrative of these conventions being a predetermined sham? If someone is pulling the strings, they are certainly not doing a very good job.

9/7/2012 2:37:02 PM

I'm not making the claim that the entire event was scripted. I'm making a very specific claim that these voice votes were predetermined and scripted. This is made extremely clear in the OP's videos.

[Edited on September 7, 2012 at 2:41 PM. Reason : ]

9/7/2012 2:38:58 PM

Yeah, that shit was definitely embarrassing. I think democrats just need take the hint. 70% of Americans believe in god, you can't completely shut them out and hope to ever win an election. It's the same reason they dropped all the anti-gun shit. Way too many gun owners out there.

[Edited on September 7, 2012 at 2:45 PM. Reason : rephrasing]

9/7/2012 2:44:41 PM

Just because you believe in God doesn't mean you need to think it is necessary to be an American.

9/7/2012 3:19:25 PM

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"So how do you square the relatively unscripted nature of both Clint Eastwood's and Clinton's speech with your narrative of these conventions being a predetermined sham? If someone is pulling the strings, they are certainly not doing a very good job."

Clint Eastwood was for shits and giggles. It's like an unexpected wrestler entering the ring out of nowhere to "save the day". Clint Eastwood was the only unscripted speech and they said even the top romney advisers didn't know who the speaker was going to be.

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" Top Romney advisors claim they have been left in the dark about a mystery speaker who may address the convention on Thursday night. “I do not know. I’m intrigued,” Eric Fehrnstrom, a senior advisor to Romney, told ABC News’ Jonathan Karl and Yahoo! News David Chalian amid laughter at the ABC News/Yahoo! News breakfast in Tampa Monday morning. “I had not heard that that there was going to be a mystery speaker, no.” http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/08/romney-advisors-claim-ignorance-on-mystery-rnc-speaker/"

9/7/2012 3:19:33 PM