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"What has me kind of up about football is that there is building optimism. We had sporadic bursts before but nothing that seemed secure. What if Doeren is the guy we thought he could be when we hired him? What if we are really building something that is set to be not just average with a 9 win season every 4 years but something where 4 losses in a season is a down year? If we can get through this year with optimism then I think we can really have a shot at sustained success. "

yeah...along these lines, it'd be really nice to not have to fire a coach every ~5 years and start the process all over. granted, that's no reason to keep a failing coach.

8/28/2017 6:48:17 AM

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"What if we are really building something that is set to be not just average with a 9 win season every 4 years but something where 4 losses in a season is a down year?"

In DD's 4 years, what evidence has he shown to be a good, much less a great, coach? I mean, i understand that you people think he had to rebuild the program from the ground up (mostly false), but typically, a good coach will show some encouraging signs of progress after 4 years. DD's teams have either been terrible or barely mediocre. We aint winning nine games.

8/28/2017 11:20:28 AM

Except for the times he nearly beat Clemson and FSU with a clearly inferior team

8/28/2017 11:38:22 AM

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"nearly"

We're always going to have inferior teams to Clemson and FSU. But it seems like other coaches we have had actually beat them. Hopefully DD can do that at some point.

8/28/2017 11:43:43 AM

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" I mean, i understand that you people think he had to rebuild the program from the ground up (mostly false), "

how is it false? i don't care for the attitude of "his first year doesn't count" because even though it was a rebuild year, you definitely have to count it still. but it was certainly a big rebuild.

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"DD's teams have either been terrible or barely mediocre."

ehh...last year's team finished the season #26 in S&P+. i would say that's better than "barely mediocre". but if you look strictly at record, sure i can see where'd you come to that conclusion. it's not a stretch to say, and in fact it's completely quantifiable, that DD's teams have been improving year over year.

8/28/2017 11:45:50 AM

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"how is it false? i don't care for the attitude of "his first year doesn't count" because even though it was a rebuild year, you definitely have to count it still. but it was certainly a big rebuild."

I think his first year absolutely counts. And I think it tells us as much about his coaching as years 2-4. Out talent might have been deficient his first year, but it shouldn't have been 0-8 bad. Its not like we just dropped off a cliff from the previous year. So, I agree that the program had to be improved, but it wasnt like the cupboard was completely bare, as some on here would want you to think.

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"last year's team finished the season #26 in S&P+"

Last years team was 5-6 before beating a bad UNC team and a mediocre Vanderbilt team in a bad bowl game. 6-6 and a bowl is not a successful season.

8/28/2017 12:26:44 PM

^We had 1 blowout loss and 4 losses by a TD or less.

If you watched our team the last 3 years and didn't see that last year's team was clearly the best team Doeren's put on the field, you're not paying attention.

This is going to be a big year for Doeren. He either gets over the hump(.500 in the ACC and a signature win) or he is going to be the 6-6 guy forever. Next year we're going to take a step back on talent/depth so he really needs to capitalize.

8/28/2017 12:34:35 PM

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"Last years team was 5-6"

Record is a not a great measure of quality

[Edited on August 28, 2017 at 12:39 PM. Reason : Eh]

8/28/2017 12:38:44 PM

^^^yeah year 1 counts. of course it does. our QB situation was absolutely terrible that year, and while there's no excuse for us going 0-8 ever i think it speaks to just how bare the cupboard was. DD certainly had some questionable play calling that year (and since), i'm definitely not saying he's without blame for the team's performance. but i do believe the team's talent level also played a huge role in that record.

no, i wouldn't call last year a successful season. i'm not saying we should be satisfied with 7-6 (3-5) every year. but it's not a stretch at all to say he is building positive momentum and that year over year the product on the field has improved. we've been building toward this year...this year's a real opportunity for us to take a big step forward. you're a long time DD hater, and that's fine....i know i'm not gonna change your mind. but this year is obviously his chance to prove people like you wrong. he's got talent, depth, veteran roster. it's the year we can make some noise and break out of the 3-5 in conference rut. i'm optimistic that we can actually do it this year.

[Edited on August 28, 2017 at 12:40 PM. Reason : d]

8/28/2017 12:39:54 PM

Beyond qbs, look at upperclassmen on that team. Dontae Johnson and.......??

8/28/2017 1:32:22 PM

DD has shown to be a terrible coach so far.

Still, his teams have generally improved from year to year (his talent certainly has).

Still, if the team's a bust this year, he needs to go. (as this is the year we've all been waiting for. If he can't succeed with this talent, he won't ever succeed. Anything less than 8 wins is unsuccessful in my book.)

8/28/2017 5:02:41 PM

i have been around the block with NCSU football. It feels different. I am not super excited about being a top 10 team this year but I would be happy with top 25.

Look

If we shit the bed again and fire the coach I think I will go ahead and accept that NC State will never be anything but a once per decade #20-25 team. Maybe in 30 years we will go 4-4 in the ACC and win the coin flip to break the 5 way tie for the division, setting us up to play UNC in the ACCCG to give them their 1st ACC championship in football since Dick Crum or someone like that was their coach. I'd rather just say fuck it and contribute fully to a life of apathy to sports.

Rather than having an amazing player or single unit like in the past we actually seem to have a solid team here. And with our RB corps, DL and Samuels... we have some fun shit to watch.

I feel like we may have climbed the hill somewhat and going forward we can maybe attain a top 25 season 3 or 4 out of 5 years instead of 1 out of 10. And out of that 3/5 years of top 25 we might be able to crack top 15 once. Thats a hell of a lot better than anything we have had before and it really doesnt seem too far out of reach.

But I am a DREAMMMMMMMERRRRRR

[Edited on August 28, 2017 at 7:07 PM. Reason : fewfw]

8/28/2017 7:06:14 PM

CFP or bust

8/28/2017 8:55:30 PM

Welp

9/2/2017 5:26:07 PM

shouldn't have told chubb not to tackle today

9/2/2017 5:26:50 PM

[Edited on September 2, 2017 at 5:28 PM. Reason : H]

9/2/2017 5:27:13 PM

Bye!

9/2/2017 6:00:37 PM

he still sucks but this team is good. if he cant get to 8 with it he should go but he wont

9/2/2017 6:54:27 PM

he won't though, this is a maybe 6 win team

9/2/2017 6:56:29 PM

i mean the talent on this team is pretty much indistinguishable from any non-vick beamer VPI squad that would somehow shit out 10 win years all the time

the difference is our ST is garbage and our sum is less than our parts, instead of the reverse

9/2/2017 7:00:59 PM

i think this game will be the outlier. i mean, chubb missed 2 tackles that each led to tds. Our dline didn't show up at all. i can't imagine they will be our weak point all year.

we also had fumbles for no good reason

9/2/2017 7:15:56 PM

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"we also had fumbles for no good reason"

The reason is that we're NC State, and we always find a way to shut the bed.

[Edited on September 2, 2017 at 7:19 PM. Reason : ]

9/2/2017 7:18:47 PM

nah, the fluke turnover game happens to everyone every year

the difference is that the good teams still win those games

9/2/2017 7:57:25 PM

yeah cuz of clemson's fg defense.

9/2/2017 8:04:17 PM

I wonder if we will hear that the future is bright???

9/2/2017 8:11:36 PM

I've got my shades on already.

9/2/2017 8:55:39 PM

Did anyone listen to the postgame? Did Doreen do his usual blaming the players schtick?

9/3/2017 10:19:01 AM

http://scout.com/college/north-carolina-state/Article/Doeren-Theres-no-excuse-106846923

9/3/2017 10:24:36 AM

No one's to blame (except the guys who missed sacks and fumbled). But it's not the coaches fault because they teach the players not to do those things in practice.

9/3/2017 10:51:45 AM

the irony: our chances of winning the Atlantic actually increased yesterday (from 0.01% to 0.1%)

- our team is decent, not really good enough, but decent
- louisville is a fraud. everyone expected this but maybe not the extent of it
- fsu lost their qb
- losing a game we shouldnt to sc maybe balances out some karma with some other acc game we shouldnt lose (lol)

we're still losing @wake but w/e

9/3/2017 12:47:09 PM

Gameplan was fine yesterday, just stupid mistakes killed us. Nothing Doeren did really drove me crazy, it was more missed opportunities.

But I will say the BC, Pitt, and UNC games look VERY winnable right now.
Also not as scared of FSU without Francois and Clemson's QB situation looks like a RB trying to play QB.

9/3/2017 2:08:10 PM

^ehh I thought kelly bryant looked pretty good at QB for clemson yesterday. Hard to tell against such a shitty team and he's no deshaun watson. But I thought he was solid.

9/3/2017 3:28:06 PM

FSU's receivers will kill us, regardless of who is under center

9/3/2017 10:50:39 PM

i like the idea of having a strong front 7 and putting tall wrs at db so when they throw the ball up for grabs you cam get it.

9/3/2017 10:52:07 PM

Just get rid of Huxtable because our defensive secondary won't be getting that much better than we were in year one.

[Edited on September 4, 2017 at 3:28 PM. Reason : Correction]

9/4/2017 3:26:51 PM

NC State needs to definitely go after JMU's coach, Mike Houston. He's the real deal and is going to be big time in a few years.

9/5/2017 7:30:23 AM

^Lets hold on there. ECU might be absolutely terrible.

9/5/2017 7:37:56 AM

I really like Doeren.

1) He's young but not a hotshot guy who will constantly be rumored for bigger jobs. We need the consistency.

2) His schemes work. Both sides of the ball. We can run. We can pass. We can stop the run. We can get after the QB. The secondary could use a little work at times but it's no longer a joke.

3) He recruits pretty well. You gotta understand our program had ZERO recruiting presence under TOB. We were landing almost straight 2* prospects and we had ZERO momentum. Then we go 0-11. That certainly didn't help either. A few more solid seasons and one good one and who knows how much of an uptick we could get in recruiting?



If we could ever return to the level of Amato recruiting and TOB discipline we'd be a great team. I think Doeren is a notch below Amato in recruiting and a notch below TOB in discipline. But I think his schemes are better than both. And he's not a total Zero in discipline like Amato or a total Zero like TOB in recruiting. In fact, far from it. Both are relatively strong in my opinion.

I don't think you can just measure him based on his overall record when three of the teams are Clemson, FSU, and Louisville who are REALLY good right now.

I just think we should give him another couple of years to see how he does with upperclassmen 4* recruits. I really like his offensive system.

If Finley can throw for 400 yards every week imagine what RW, Rivers, or Glennon could have done?

[Edited on September 9, 2017 at 9:56 PM. Reason : a]

9/9/2017 9:51:35 PM

perfect analysis

9/9/2017 11:45:48 PM

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"He's young but not a hotshot guy who will constantly be rumored for bigger jobs. We need the consistency."

Anyone who wins a lot will get offers from bigger programs. Doeren seems to have a bland personality, but if he was hanging up a bunch of double-digit win seasons, he would absolutely be rumored for bigger jobs. Currently, he's not being rumored for bigger jobs because he's not wowing anyone with his on-field results.

9/10/2017 12:09:55 AM

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"The secondary could use a little work at times"

That's one way to put it.

9/10/2017 12:49:37 AM

his recruiting is exceptionally average. its basically what you should expect anyone who isnt tob to do here. he has some nice recruits as jrs/sr's now from the new hire boost you get in years 2 and 3 but theres been a drop off since. i havent paid attention the last couple years because i'm almost 30 but i feel like i wouldve heard if thats changed, so

i dont really care what we do with him because we're never going to be good in football outside of maybe one fluke season (although we bungled even that - the RW year where we lost to torrey smith and some redneck from kernersville) but the "good" he does in building a roster gets canceled out by whatever it is that causes the sum to be less than its parts every time they step on the field. i keep hoping that one of these years that shit is going to reverse like it did with ron rivera in the super bowl year, and yet...

9/10/2017 1:59:05 AM

That 0-11 season was a real doozy

9/10/2017 11:12:08 AM

What flavors are in DD's ass?

9/23/2017 3:41:30 PM

he got the win he needed. hope he does something with it

9/23/2017 3:50:34 PM

Who's our last coach who didn't beat fsu? Gotta be pre-o'cain right?

[Edited on September 23, 2017 at 4:13 PM. Reason : Phone]

9/23/2017 4:11:18 PM

pls 2 regale me with tails of why this doesn't count

9/23/2017 4:33:51 PM

it’s a good win with plenty of asterisks

9/23/2017 4:36:08 PM

[x] W [] L

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9/23/2017 4:42:33 PM

set em up

9/23/2017 4:47:23 PM