Also, lulz at Brienne finding both Arya and Sansa...gtfo.

4/21/2015 9:29:31 AM

Drogon will marry Sansa but Stanis will be reveled as the father.

[Edited on April 21, 2015 at 10:05 AM. Reason : .]

4/21/2015 10:01:32 AM

This series (book) is going to end up like Lost. 40% of the story lines just go away quietly. There's no way he can wrap up everything in 2 books, unless he just kills off a bunch of characters.

4/21/2015 10:16:33 AM

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"unless he just kills off a bunch of characters."

I mean...there will ultimately be some big wars...and dragons and white walkers can do some quick damage.

4/21/2015 10:23:33 AM

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"I'm pretty sure to Winterfell. LF said his wedding proposal had been accepted, I have a feeling it is him giving Sansa's hand away. Based on the conversation they have in the preview for next week, something about "Get revenge for your family" I could see him convincing her to try and pull a reverse Red Wedding on the Boltons. Or he is just being a prick and playing her, giving her to the Boltons for power - but I'm pretty sure thats where they are going."

you might be right, but Littlefinger's comment last episode that they were going "to a place so far away that Cercei Lannister won't even be able to find her" makes me think they are going somewhere else. The Boltons are pretty tight with the Lannisters, so Winterfell isn't exactly out of Cercei's reach

4/21/2015 12:26:20 PM

The wall maybe?

4/21/2015 12:39:05 PM

so i guess this is the episode where this thread died.

4/28/2015 9:23:07 AM

haha, yeah, the storylines are all starting to meld together. I don't mind it, I'll just think of it as an alternative outcome, like a "choose your own adventure" book

4/28/2015 9:29:41 AM

i thought of this thread as i watched it. the only time it'll be a pain is when i go to read the next book (in 15 years when it is finally released).

4/28/2015 9:38:28 AM

I actually kind of like Sansa replacing Jeyne Poole, it makes a lot of sense for the show. In the books most people didn't know that it was an imposter Arya, so just going ahead and making it an actual Stark works in my mind, plus it helps get Theon a little more redemption assuming he still breaks her out.

4/28/2015 9:51:36 AM

Winterfell is where the Theon/Reek, Sansa, Brienne and Stannis storylines will all converge

4/28/2015 10:10:33 AM

^^^I personally won't be picking the books back up in protest of Martin. Getting the books out before the Series caught up should have been his main objective.

I'll watch it on TV and he can keep his books.

4/28/2015 1:44:10 PM

At this point, I think he's trolling all of his readers. That is the only possible reason for his slowness.

4/28/2015 3:02:57 PM

my dad's been writing a book for years. he basically had it finished and then trashed the thing. that was two years ago. and he's written professionally on and off his whole life. i can't imagine the burden of having to close a series out with this kind of attention.

4/28/2015 3:17:55 PM

Just thought about this last night, but it appears that the Griff/Young Griff storyline has been axed for the show

4/29/2015 7:59:48 AM

Which is fine with me...just another person who thinks they're entitled to the throne. How many of those are in this world now? About 12?

4/29/2015 11:07:23 AM

but he's got one of the better claims/stories IMO

4/29/2015 11:46:05 AM

Just read an article where someone is pissed off the way Selmy dies...said it was "meh" while Grey Worm totally kicked ass.

While I will agree that Grey Worm did kick ass...so did Selmy. That was definitely not a "meh" death. And you just can't have 65 year old dudes doing cartwheels and back-flips while stabbing dudes ala Oberyn. That was about as realistic of a fight/death scene you could have with one old guy killing about 15 young dudes.

ASOIAF fans are fickle.

5/5/2015 9:59:41 AM

Wasn't thinking of this while I was watching it, but it looks like Meryn Trant could meet up with Arya in Braavos now. They seem to be speeding everything up, so Arya could be a faceless man soon, grab her Needle, and go out killing people on her "list". Meryn is accompanying Mr. Tyrell to visit the Iron Bank (although it appeared from that scene in the small council that she was sending him off to be assassinated by Trant...just a weird scene).

5/5/2015 12:25:06 PM

Anyone else see this?

http://www.ibtimes.com/game-thrones-author-george-rr-martin-teases-big-twist-winds-winter-1869848

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"According to Martin: “I’m still weighing whether to go that direction or not. It’s a great twist. It’s easy to do things that are shocking or unexpected, but they have to grow out of characters. They have to grow out of situations. Otherwise, it’s just being shocking for being shocking.”"

Honestly, I think he explained where he wanted to go overall in the story to the producers/writers of HBO. He then gets irritated that hes gotten so much flack for not progressing further in the books. Hes had a bad working relationship with the HBO people because hes an old crotchety fuck, and wants to make a big twist now that HBO is moving beyond the last book to fuck with them.

Which would also sell his books. A lot of people are not going to buy them because the show will wrap it all up much sooner.

And hes old. And hes fat. And going to die before John Snow.

[Edited on May 5, 2015 at 5:13 PM. Reason : sdf]

5/5/2015 5:12:53 PM

^^ i thought that too, but cersei's main objective was getting tyrell out of king's landing as soon as possible so he couldn't fight loras being imprisoned, so she's probably sending trant so tyrell feels special and gets out of town.

5/5/2015 5:30:04 PM

^ she's trying to isolate margaery, getting rid of mace and loras. Although I don't know why they couldnt have just gotten rid if Loras like in the books. Dragonstone is a short boat trip away and they should realistically be laying siege to it

5/5/2015 10:32:58 PM

agree. this is stupid.

5/6/2015 11:54:33 PM

^^i don't think this is supposed to be getting rid of Loras as much as it is just a stand in for what happened in the books with Margeary being accused and arrested for adultery

5/7/2015 7:19:33 AM

The Mormont Way

5/11/2015 8:22:43 AM

Jorah-Jon Mormont-Connington

5/11/2015 9:14:09 AM

That greyscale is quick to act.

5/11/2015 10:00:53 AM

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"And going to die before John Snow."

But Jon Snow might already be dead

5/11/2015 10:35:54 AM

I guess they've allocated the direwolf cgi budget to the dragons this season. I don't think we've seen Ghost more than one or two times this year. Makes me wonder what's gonna happen with Jon Snows storyline

5/11/2015 7:49:10 PM

^^ He'll get resurrected.

And since he died while serving the knights watch hes fulfilled his oath and free to do what he wants.

5/12/2015 11:57:04 AM

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"And since he died while serving the knights watch hes fulfilled his oath and free to do what he wants."

god damn, i never thought of that

5/12/2015 11:59:36 AM

Is Jon going to die this season?

5/12/2015 12:13:57 PM

Before the season started I would have said absolutely, probably in the last episode. But lately I've been wondering if they will get to it or not. The pace they seem to be going with his story just doesn't seem like they'll be ready to kill him by the end of the season. I guess this last episode is a big step in that direction with the plan to work with the wildlings coming out, but i don't know.

5/12/2015 12:26:37 PM

What about the Boltons (in the show)

What if Ramsay has Reek apologize to Sansa as a way to show her that it wasnt him who killed her brothers. It was Reek and his father. So if the north revolts against the Boltons, he can at least detach himself from them as a bastard and blame it all on his father and Reek, who he tortured as punishment for what he did to the Starks. And hes left married to the 'last surviving Stark.' At the very least he could keep his head.

5/12/2015 1:12:59 PM

In the book, I think Stannis is pretty much screwed without some type of divine intervention from the Red God.

In the show? I think Sansa and that old lady on the inside is going to help Stannis take back Winterfell.

But again, where the fuck are Osha and Rickon? Are we ever going to see them again? Or is JRR just going to "peace out" on them?

5/12/2015 3:02:21 PM

I think this is overly harsh but also hilarious.

5/12/2015 9:22:42 PM

Yea, while I feel like the book has too much going on (obviously, since I can't even remember the difference between Kings Landing and Dragonstone), I think the show has just gone off the rails with where they're going.

5/13/2015 7:48:38 AM

are you shitting me? they're skipping blind arya? and her whole trial is giving some girl water? so fucking disappointing.

how about we remake star wars and just skip luke going to dagobah?

[Edited on May 18, 2015 at 10:43 AM. Reason : .]

5/18/2015 10:41:49 AM

You know, with the lack of upcoming material for future seasons, you'd think they would try to drag this one out. They need to check with the writers for The Walking Dead on how to drag some shit out. But where TWD drags on and on with nothing substantive, GoT hurries up while leaving out some of the better parts of the books.

5/18/2015 1:25:41 PM

I can't stand the way the show is portraying Dorne. The jury is still out on Areo Hotah, but the Sand Snakes are horrible. In the books they come off as genuine badasses, but in the show they seem more like spoiled little girls going through a rebellious teenage phase

I love how in the last episode Obara yells out her name and background to Areo, who is her UNCLES personal bodyguard, like he doesnt know who the fuck she is

5/19/2015 1:10:39 PM

Also, Doran looks much more able in the show than in the books. But GG on the spoiled little girls. I think in the books they are going to end up doing much more damage. I can see what the writers were trying to do though.

This was their attempt to meld the Oakheart storyline, where (I forget her name) seduces Oakheart and talks him into trying to kidnap Myrcella, only to have it get foiled by Areo.

5/19/2015 3:08:34 PM

Unless he makes a ton of progress with a shitload of storylines then I think it's pretty clear that Martin wrote a bunch of shit that isn't at all crucial to the main plotline.

Nothing in Dorne has made a bit of difference in the books. The Dornish prince going to see Dany and getting killed by the dragons... waste of a hundred pages. Most of the stuff going on with the Iron islands (even though Victarion Greyjoy is fucking awesome) seems pretty irrelevant, etc.

Ultimately he'll probably tie it all together in a big battle at the end with various factions currently vying for power all facing off together against the real enemy, but he's thrown in so many characters that it's damn near impossible to care about them all, forget about following them all through a bunch of secondary storylines.

5/19/2015 5:09:20 PM

I hated the Dorne chapters, it felt so tacked on.

5/19/2015 7:33:10 PM

I hope it all ties into unseen plots to get others onto the throne. Dorne plots, iron bank, unseen backers, etc.

5/19/2015 9:27:30 PM

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"I can't stand the way the show is portraying Dorne. The jury is still out on Areo Hotah, but the Sand Snakes are horrible."

seconded

5/19/2015 10:30:40 PM

A coworker and I thought about this over lunch

Theory

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"“ Who do you think killed all the dragons the last time around? Gallant dragonslayers armed with swords? The world the Citadel is building has no place in it for sorcery or prophecy or glass candles, much less for dragons. Ask yourself why Aemon Targaryen was allowed to waste his life upon the Wall, when by rights he should have been raised to archmaester. His blood was why. He could not be trusted. No more than I can.[2] ” – Marwyn, to Samwell Tarly"

Maester's ended the Targaryean's dragons over time.

What if the Maester's have an agenda. They are in every castle in Westeros. What if they have designs for Westeros and over time used there positions to sow discord within the Targaryean's family and proximity to them to create a weak bloodline and/or slowly poison dragons. Even suggest they be kept inside (making them smaller and weaker). Which did happen. They were in a position to make Targaryean's insane and blame it on inbreeding.

They could even have supported Roberts rebellion in some way.

[Edited on May 20, 2015 at 4:03 PM. Reason : dasd]

5/20/2015 4:03:15 PM

Cool theory, that's not how apostrophes work btw.

5/20/2015 11:01:27 PM

Yeah the Maesters definitely figure into most endgame theories. They, the Faceless men, whoever blew up Valyria and Hardhome, and maybe even the White Walkers are all thought to be connected somehow.

[Edited on May 21, 2015 at 8:49 AM. Reason : :]

5/21/2015 8:49:25 AM

This seems like an interesting possibility (pulled from another message board):

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"There is also no way Littlefinger didn't know precisely what he was coercing her to do. Having Sansa there is the key to him becoming Warden of the North. He needed to manipulate Cersei into backing his move against the Boltons in Winterfell. He also wanted to spark the possibility that Jon Snow will involve the Night's Watch when he hears what's being done to his sister. Now he'll be able to claim to Sansa that he had no idea about Ramsay, but he immediately went and got his army to rescue her the moment he heard. Sansa will feel that he was her rescuer, and she will come to him instead of him having to pursue her... and their marriage will be the obvious choice for cementing his position as Warden of the North (after he uses the Sparrows to control Cersei)."

I didn't think the Sand Snakes were THAT bad. They definitely weren't as bad ass as they seemed to be in the books...but just like people were criticizing Selmy's death...this isn't a Jackie Chan movie...I think having these characters flip around and beat up 50 people at a time would just be too unrealistic. What was worse to me, was Jamie and Bron walking around Dorn in those "Dornish uniforms". It looked like two goofballs breaking into monastery and sneaking around in robes in a shitty comedy. Oh...and is Bron definitely going to die now? I know Oberyn and his ilk like to use poison on their weapons...but I feel like it hasn't been hammered on in the tv show as much in the books. I'll miss Bron if that's the case.

Thought the Tyrion and Jorah stuff was great (them talking at least).

I don't remember Arya walking into the room with the severed heads from the book...did that happen? I assume these are the faces that all of these people can "transform" into? Is she going out into the world now, or does she stil have to go out and sell fish (or whatever the fuck it was that she peddled in the books...I need a refresher).

I think that's it for now. Just watched the episode last night. I have no problem with the "rape-ish" scene...but my wife definitely didn't like it. Oh well.

5/22/2015 11:33:36 AM

arya went into the room of faces after he had been sent out to sell fish and after she had been blinded. it was what happened when her sight was restored

the sand snakes scenes were reaaaaaaaaaaaaly bad. like janky and poorly shot and stupid.

5/22/2015 1:59:14 PM