bdmazur ?? ????? ?? 14957 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "This weekend, opponents of Planned Parenthood's role as the largest provider of women's health care in the U.S. sought to launch a campaign to attack our work, using the hashtag #exposePP. Here’s what unfolded instead" |
http://storify.com/ppact/planned-parenthood-supporters-exposepp
Awesome.6/4/2013 9:02:13 PM |
moron All American 34142 Posts user info edit post |
http://fieldworkinstilettos.com/2013/05/29/do-i-look-like-a-baby-killer/
Another good column on PP.
Not sure why people hate them so much... i get some feel attacking them meets some goal, but they don't seem to give a rat's ass about all the people hurt by right-wing antics. pretty sickening. 6/4/2013 11:13:57 PM |
smc All American 9221 Posts user info edit post |
I don't understand hashtags. 6/5/2013 8:06:23 AM |
mrfrog ☯ 15145 Posts user info edit post |
While I'm all for abortions, I want PP to cut out nonsense like this:
Quote : | "Abortion is only 3% of Planned Parenthood’s services." |
Which is a quote obviously carefully planned to mislead whoever is listening. The stat is honestly complete BS. They don't report their criteria for what constitutes a service. Handing out a condom could be a service. Even if they limited the definition of "service" to a responsible criteria of visiting a doctor, an abortion is a much more involved and costly procedure than a checkup. Out of any metric you could possibly have used, this will underplay the fraction of operations directed to abortions.
It erodes credibility. So does this:
Quote : | "Planned Parenthood's role as the largest provider of women's health care in the U.S." |
Only by eroding the definition of health care. It's not comprehensive health care. They offer a specific set of services, related to women's reproductive health, and obviously family planning.
They're also an opaque private organization. There's not anything wrong with that, there are plenty of opaque private organizations that I love. But NPO scandals are not rare, and they're enabled by the lax oversight they're afforded. I've never understood why it's "obvious" they PP should be given federal money. If anything, you should set aside money to help lower income family planning. If PP has a good case in a competitive process then give them money.6/5/2013 8:17:53 AM |
dtownral Suspended 26632 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Even if they limited the definition of "service" to a responsible criteria of visiting a doctor, an abortion is a much more involved and costly procedure than a checkup. Out of any metric you could possibly have used, this will underplay the fraction of operations directed to abortions." |
most of the abortions they do are not very involved6/5/2013 8:40:07 AM |
mrfrog ☯ 15145 Posts user info edit post |
Although there are clinics like PP that will do it for cheaper, the lowest you can usually get one at a hospital for is around $500, and I'm talking about first trimester. Of course everything is inflated at hospitals these days and perhaps the fair price of the most simple case should be around $350. That's your best case for "not very involved".
Of course I'm only speaking about the floor, and even state level politics can push that number up. If you're in Kansas I'm sure it would cost a small fortune. 6/5/2013 8:51:37 AM |
IMStoned420 All American 15485 Posts user info edit post |
When they say women's health care, they mean they provide care for things that specifically affect women. There's nothing misleading about this at all unless when you see "women's health care," you don't associate it with reproductive health and things primarily involving vaginas. 6/5/2013 10:46:57 AM |
dtownral Suspended 26632 Posts user info edit post |
^^ i meant as far as the procedure, most of them are not really more involved than a check-up. 6/5/2013 10:55:31 AM |
mrfrog ☯ 15145 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "When they say women's health care, they mean they provide care for things that specifically affect women. There's nothing misleading about this at all unless when you see "women's health care," you don't associate it with reproductive health and things primarily involving vaginas." |
And that's a complete mischaracterization. By all means, you could have a center directed at addressing women's health issues. These probably exist. That would not be PP.
PP is correctly associated with "reproductive health and things primarily involving vaginas". It seems I understand their purpose better than others ITT.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planned_Parenthood
Quote : | "Planned Parenthood is the largest U.S. provider of reproductive health services, including cancer screening, HIV screening and counseling, contraception, and abortion." |
Quote : | "Purpose/focus Reproductive health" |
[Edited on June 5, 2013 at 11:55 AM. Reason : ]6/5/2013 11:55:15 AM |
dtownral Suspended 26632 Posts user info edit post |
I'm not very clear about your distinction, you seem to be agreeing with the post you are arguing about 6/5/2013 11:59:05 AM |
OopsPowSrprs All American 8383 Posts user info edit post |
Abortions are cheap and don't take very long. Don't ask how I know. 6/5/2013 11:59:07 AM |
mrfrog ☯ 15145 Posts user info edit post |
^^ ah, well I guess there was a negative marker that I missed. 6/5/2013 12:02:17 PM |
wdprice3 BinaryBuffonary 45912 Posts user info edit post |
The war against PP is one of the dumbest things I've seen. But so are most of the wars Republicans are fighting now.
The reasons I'm no longer a Republican. 6/5/2013 1:03:07 PM |