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daaave
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"capitalism isn't the problem. the problem is people's inability to see beyond the immediate"


which is incentivized by capitalism

9/6/2019 12:32:18 AM

FroshKiller
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Anyone who ever says "capitalism isn't the problem" is blaring for the world to hear that they are God's own idiot.

9/6/2019 6:32:01 AM

0EPII1
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An 11-Year-Old Girl's Brother, Mom, And Dad Were Arrested After She Was Raped And Gave Birth In A Bathtub

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/otilliasteadman/11-year-old-girl-birth-bathrub-mom-dad-brother-arrested-rape

That's unspeakably atrocious. How did the parents not know their daughter was pregnant??? Are they fucking blind? They all should be locked up for a very long time, and never allowed to see their daughter/sister ever again.

2/25/2020 10:49:52 AM

0EPII1
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[Edited on February 25, 2020 at 10:59 AM. Reason : double]

2/25/2020 10:58:07 AM

Bullet
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uhhhh, that's really not the them of this thread man

2/25/2020 11:32:33 AM

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CBS News: Video shows Minneapolis cop with knee on neck of motionless, moaning man.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/video-shows-minneapolis-cop-with-knee-on-neck-of-motionless-moaning-man-he-later-died/

[Edited on May 26, 2020 at 9:50 AM. Reason : Opie keep your gross shit out of my thread ]

5/26/2020 9:50:11 AM

TreeTwista10
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"While I have an incredible amount of respect for police officers"


so synapse, have your thoughts on this topic changed?

6/13/2020 12:06:53 AM

StTexan
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Is that not a good sentiment to have, bad apples aside?

6/13/2020 12:08:45 AM

TreeTwista10
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depends on how many bad apples you think there are, i suppose

6/13/2020 12:11:46 AM

StTexan
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Def less than 1%

6/13/2020 12:33:17 AM

TreeTwista10
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I think we've seen a fairly large shift in public opinion of the police as a whole over the last week or so. And in some respects, choking someone to death and watching your co-worker choke someone to death without intervening isn't that big of a moral difference.

6/13/2020 12:46:33 AM

daaave
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^^
How can you possibly still believe this

6/13/2020 12:50:59 AM

StTexan
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I totally agree with both sentences. Does that mean we can’t respect the other 99%+ of police? Or guilt by association?

6/13/2020 12:56:02 AM

TreeTwista10
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from what I can tell there are about 700,000 police in the US. 1% of that is 7,000 cops. Do you think 693,000+ of them would try to stop their fellow officer from choking someone out? seems a bit naive imo.

6/13/2020 12:58:01 AM

StTexan
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Figure I saw was 800,000. Do I think less than 1% are bad. Honestly yes. But perhaps that is my white priviledge.

6/13/2020 1:00:01 AM

TreeTwista10
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Do you think 99% of priests are super moral? How about insurance salesmen? Auto mechanics? But I guess cops are just really, REALLY great people overall. Just a few bad apples.

6/13/2020 1:08:00 AM

StTexan
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Fair enough. I guess the idea of respecting an overwhelming but slightly less than 99% of law enforcement is wrong.

Do I think things need to change, yes

Do I think what happened to george floyd and others is wrong, yes

Am I going to vilify several hundred thousands of law enforcement officers that are good, no. I certainly don’t think it is out of line to respect the job the good police do.

6/13/2020 1:17:24 AM

TreeTwista10
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I respect the concept of the job. But there is way too much evidence that that's just a fairy tale.

6/13/2020 1:24:10 AM

StTexan
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Also fair enough on first point. That is how I feel. I just don’t think your sentiment is fair to the majority of LE that are not murderers, etc.

6/13/2020 1:28:13 AM

TreeTwista10
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I'm not saying they're all literal murderers. But their "don't snitch on other cops" code is just as harmful as anyone else's. There is a good reason that 4 Minneapolis officers were arrested and not just the one who did it. Way, way more than 1% of cops are complicit with the stuff their bad co-workers do.

6/13/2020 1:30:51 AM

StTexan
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I guess your smug attitude(my interpretation, not yours) when quoting synapse about respecting police, made me wonder why a vast amount don’t deserve respect

6/13/2020 1:36:53 AM

TreeTwista10
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Maybe it's just a Texas mentality or something, oh well, I tried

6/13/2020 1:51:25 AM

StTexan
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You did not fail. I totally get what you are saying outside of questioning respecting LE outside of the bad actors.

6/13/2020 1:56:32 AM

Money_Jones
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^^^https://medium.com/@OfcrACab/confessions-of-a-former-bastard-cop-bb14d17bc759

6/13/2020 7:26:26 AM

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Quote :
"so synapse, have your thoughts on this topic changed?"


Not really.

Sure in the nearly 7 years since I made that comment that you feel the need to ask me about every couple years I have further learned how fucked the institution is and the depth of reform that is needed, but I still feel most cops get into it for altruistic reasons, and I'm happy they're there, and feel it would be ignorant to judge every single officer through the lens of the fucked up videos we post here.

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"Def less than 1%"

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"How can you possibly still believe this"


I don't know what the number is but it ain't no fucking 1%, which TT's latter point below addresses.

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"I think we've seen a fairly large shift in public opinion of the police as a whole over the last week or so. And in some respects, choking someone to death and watching your co-worker choke someone to death without intervening isn't that big of a moral difference."


Agreed on both points. Not sure why it took this extent to cause the former, but we'll take what we can get at this point. Maybe this is the result of people being locked up bc of Rona + lack of reasoning for the gross victim blaming that typically takes place cheat code. Or maybe the shift is because this one is just so excruciatingly heartbreaking, and so fucking long. But the Eric Garner murder was too in both respects. Where were all of these people then? Guess it's really pointless and counterproductive to drag people that are at the table now for not being at the table in the past. Ultimately I think this shift is the culmination of decades of outrage, and I'm here for it.

6/13/2020 11:08:03 AM

dmspack
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" I totally agree with both sentences. Does that mean we can’t respect the other 99%+ of police? Or guilt by association?"


Imo - yes it’s guilty by association. If you aren’t calling out your coworkers for shitty behavior then you’re 100% guilty by association. In a lotta these videos there aren’t cops saying “hey woah, we’ve got him down that’s enough” or anything close to defusing the situation. That’s guilt by association. The entire system of protecting your “brothers” from legal trouble is guilt by association.

Furthermore, I’m not all in on respecting and honoring people for doing a job they signed up for. Let’s not get carried away sucking off our “heroes in blue”. Hell, if anything that builds their egos to the point where they may feel beyond reproach or above the law. Maybe it’s a bit overboard to honor cops before football games and trip over ourselves to be the first to thank them for their service. It also creates a belief among the public (mostly among upper middle class whites that have limited interaction with cops) that cops are always good and always right and above reproach. They have a hard job. A job I wouldn’t want. And I can fully acknowledge that while also believing they should be held accountable for their actions. Blanket statements like “respect the boys in blue” make people blind to the issues with the system imo.

[Edited on June 13, 2020 at 11:16 AM. Reason : TT and synapse are right. I just basically repeated what they said ]

6/13/2020 11:14:39 AM

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But hey while we're on the topic

https://www.wral.com/ace-perry-pulled-over-by-sampson-county-deputy-for-driving-under-the-speed-limit/18953130/

Anybody know the statute that details the crime of travelling under the posted speed limit?

6/13/2020 12:15:49 PM

justinh524
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Ok yeah he definitely shouldn't have been pulled over for going 65 in a 70. If he's going 40? Yeah, definitely. A lot of interstates/highways have minimum speeds because travelling significantly slower than surrounding traffic is dangerous. It's why farm machinery/slow moving vehicles aren't allowed on many major highways.

6/13/2020 1:18:46 PM

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Deadline: Comedian Jay Pharoah Says He Was Stopped By LAPD While Jogging, Shares Security Footage Of Officer Kneeling On His Neck.
https://deadline.com/2020/06/jay-pharoah-police-video-kneel-neck-the-talk-instagram-1202958024/

6/13/2020 1:46:15 PM

TreeTwista10
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So is that sheriff one of the good ones or

6/13/2020 2:00:52 PM

daaave
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If my coworker did that I’d probably raise hell about it, dunno about you all.

6/13/2020 2:59:41 PM

synapse
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NBC News: Ex-officer seen in video with knee on Florida woman's neck, using stun gun, charged with battery.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ex-officer-seen-video-knee-florida-woman-s-neck-using-n1232188

6/26/2020 9:11:43 AM

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