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NeuseRvrRat
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i am not saying that a municipality would not charge more or less than a private company. dtown said that i, due to my particular situation, should want municipal broadband because it's the only hope of having broadband service in an "unprofitable" area. my reply is that situation would essentially charge everyone who lives in a "profitable" area to subsidize my broadband service.

what i want is for my area to be profitable.

a common trend in the pro net neutrality argument is that big telecom companies are jerks. and they are. i don't disagree. they treat their customers like shit. they can get by with that when they're the only game in town and when all they have to do is lobby the govt to get their way. take the power away from the govt and you've also taken it away from the telecom company.

[Edited on December 15, 2017 at 2:05 PM. Reason : afds]

12/15/2017 1:58:42 PM

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I guess because ultimately, Wake Co would be beholden to internal auditors, city, county, and state laws, and tax payers? Sure there would be some waste as there always is with government endeavors. But maybe a little waste is better than someone making a lot of profit.

What would worry me with municipal administration of broadband would be the customer support I would get. But it isn't like TWC's customer support is world class. And would they care about outages? I work from home some days, and access is extremely important.

12/15/2017 2:02:47 PM

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"municipal broadband would be exactly what synapse just mentioned, charging everyone more to expand a service into an unprofitable area."

except that it's not profit motivated, so it can serve people who won't be profitable

you're that libertarian stereotype who wants privatized roads even though it means they won't have roads out to their house in the country because it wouldn't be profitable for anyone to build them

12/15/2017 2:04:19 PM

NeuseRvrRat
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that's right. and right now all those schmucks in the city are paying for the road to my house. suckers.

12/15/2017 2:06:48 PM

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it's always the same argument. take away regulation and things will get better. not gonna change NRR's mind unless you topple his entire libertarian worldview.

12/15/2017 2:07:42 PM

rjrumfel
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^^Do you have kids? If not then you're the same kind of schmuck, paying property taxes for schools.

12/15/2017 2:10:01 PM

NeuseRvrRat
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exactly!

12/15/2017 2:11:25 PM

adultswim
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we pay for things we don't directly need in exchange for things we do.

those are both bad arguments, though. we all benefit from roads connecting cities to rural areas. we all benefit from an educated populace.

[Edited on December 15, 2017 at 2:16 PM. Reason : .]

12/15/2017 2:15:45 PM

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Quote :
"we pay for things we don't directly need"


If NRR had his way, he wouldn't.

[Edited on December 15, 2017 at 2:19 PM. Reason : Hey NRR don't you at least have cellular data to your house? What is it/what speed?]

12/15/2017 2:19:02 PM

adultswim
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oh yeah i'm aware...it's why arguing with a hardline libertarian on individual issues is pointless.

12/15/2017 2:20:12 PM

NeuseRvrRat
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i'd rather just pay for the things i need. i don't like being subsidized or subsidizing others.

i tether off my phone. it's slow. i'm clinging to an old verizon unlimited plan. i could get something like hughesnet.

[Edited on December 15, 2017 at 2:23 PM. Reason : d]

12/15/2017 2:20:39 PM

rjrumfel
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^^Hey I'm not arguing!

Another issue I have with municipal broadband is that it would open a gateway to yet another social safety net. Free internet.

[Edited on December 15, 2017 at 2:21 PM. Reason : ^]

12/15/2017 2:20:59 PM

dtownral
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"i'd rather just pay for the things i need. i don't like being subsidized or subsidizing others."


no one was confused about if you are a moron or not, but thanks for clarifying

12/15/2017 2:22:46 PM

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Naw he's a pretty smart dude, I just think he had a bad teacher or something along the way

12/15/2017 2:27:33 PM

dtownral
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nothing personal against him, all libertarians are morons

12/15/2017 2:30:45 PM

NeuseRvrRat
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well, i am a product of the public education system

12/15/2017 2:36:30 PM

dtownral
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should have been schooled at home with mommy and diddy like god intended

12/15/2017 2:37:51 PM

EMCE
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if everyone in the US subscribed to NRR's views, we would literally be living in a second or third world country

12/15/2017 2:39:19 PM

adultswim
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"Another issue I have with municipal broadband is that it would open a gateway to yet another social safety net. Free internet."


Got some bad news for you

https://www.fcc.gov/general/lifeline-program-low-income-consumers

And anyways, the internet is "free" already for most people via public libraries (apart from public transportation costs and and lack of free time). But it is such an integral part of life at this point that lack of home access is a serious disadvantage, and we would benefit on a societal level from giving open and instant access to everyone.

[Edited on December 15, 2017 at 2:43 PM. Reason : .]

12/15/2017 2:41:54 PM

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"if everyone in the US subscribed to NRR's views, we would literally be living in a second or third world country"


wrong

12/15/2017 5:56:02 PM

dtownral
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right.

12/15/2017 6:02:32 PM

beatsunc
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i mean hell why stop with bandwidth. people who live in 1200 sq ft houses should pay the same amount for electricity as people in 5500 sq ft houses with 4 central air units right

12/15/2017 6:07:08 PM

dtownral
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holy shit, thanks for walking right into agreeing that internet is a utility and should be managed as such

wow, that was easy

12/15/2017 6:23:13 PM

adultswim
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^^
Metered internet is not illegal. Lots of providers have soft caps. It has nothing to do with net neutrality.

Your water is metered. Do you pay more to take a shower than to use the dishwasher? Do you pay more to use faucets not partnered with your water provider? No, all water is equal.

That’s what net neutrality is. All data is equal.

[Edited on December 15, 2017 at 7:14 PM. Reason : .]

12/15/2017 7:08:47 PM

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^^^^that statement is false because there's no way a bunch of diehard libertarian idealists would end up being a second world (communist) country.

12/15/2017 7:21:34 PM

EMCE
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^^^^ a more apt analogy would be people who use electricity to power Dell computers should pay less than those who use HP computers.


^ shut up, son. Your breath stinks and you nuts don't grow any hair

[Edited on December 15, 2017 at 7:22 PM. Reason : J]

12/15/2017 7:21:39 PM

dtownral
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The stink of another man's load

12/15/2017 8:21:56 PM

Bullet
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It dies today

https://www.wral.com/your-internet-use-could-change-as-net-neutrality-ends/17619385/

6/11/2018 4:55:32 PM

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"i'd rather just pay for the things i need. i don't like being subsidized or subsidizing others."


Cancel the military!

6/11/2018 5:03:17 PM

beatsunc
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tap tap tap. is this on?

12/14/2018 7:23:23 PM

Ansonian
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"tap tap tap. is this (site) on?"

12/17/2018 5:31:27 PM

Bullet
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https://www.npr.org/2019/02/01/690609162/net-neutrality-goes-back-to-court

2/1/2019 10:40:33 AM

beatsunc
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netflix giving obama a shit ton of money after he started net neutrality an illustration of how we'll never get money out of politics with campaign finance reform laws

8/11/2019 9:01:30 AM

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Is Obama still an elected official?

[Edited on August 11, 2019 at 11:05 AM. Reason : What campaign is he running these days?]

8/11/2019 11:02:13 AM

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politicians make choices that will affect their income after they leave office, corruption always finds a way. the only way to get money out of politics is to end the reasons the donors give the money



[Edited on August 11, 2019 at 11:56 AM. Reason : s]

8/11/2019 11:50:17 AM

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"the only way to get money out of politics is to end the reasons the donors give the money"


False.

8/11/2019 1:48:15 PM

beatsunc
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^should it be illegal for obama to take the netflix job?

that would never get through congress if it applied to them too

[Edited on August 11, 2019 at 2:01 PM. Reason : d]

8/11/2019 2:00:17 PM

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No

He's no longer an elected official.

8/11/2019 2:26:30 PM

beatsunc
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^you dont understand the problem then

former govt officials make $texas working for the corporations their policies affected. this is the root of the problem, one that a legal solution will never happen because they would be shutting down their own path to wealth

[Edited on August 11, 2019 at 3:03 PM. Reason : s]

8/11/2019 2:56:45 PM

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There way too many other areas of concern with money in politics for me to concerned with that.

[Edited on August 11, 2019 at 3:10 PM. Reason : And ex-presidents' path to wealth is usually books and speaking fees]

[Edited on August 11, 2019 at 3:10 PM. Reason : Wanna outlaw that too?]

8/11/2019 3:08:46 PM

beatsunc
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i want to reduce the reasons corporations donate to or hire govt officials as much as possible

[Edited on August 11, 2019 at 3:18 PM. Reason : s]

8/11/2019 3:14:29 PM

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Ok. How do we go about that?

8/11/2019 3:27:56 PM

beatsunc
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decentralization

8/11/2019 3:36:10 PM

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