http://www.wralsportsfan.com/goodell-suggests-ditching-the-pat-kick/13317104/

in the NFL

Two things...

1. Gimmicky
2. I had no idea the 2 point conversion wasn't introduced until 1994.


(sry if posted before)

1/22/2014 7:56:58 AM

if they want to spice things up...

1. move the kick back
2. make the goal posts narrower

no need to get rid of it, plus if you do it my way, you'd get more teams going for 2 anyhow if they have a shakey kicker or a really good rushing/goal line offense

1/22/2014 8:04:12 AM

I'd be in favor of that.

The extra point adds absolutely nothing to the game.

1/22/2014 8:14:32 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTGco82JKHo

1/22/2014 8:15:46 AM

Far past time to move the extra point line back about 25 yards. That'd be a simple change though wouldn't cost a dime. When 99% (or whatever) EP's go in, it makes them pointless.

1/22/2014 8:41:04 AM

NFL kickers are so fucking good now that they really do need to move it back to the 25 or 30 yd line to add some degree of difficulty. Goddell's idea of just awarding 7 pts for TDs and then having a plus/minus system for going for 2 is not bad either. Anything to spice up the game some more.

1/22/2014 8:45:53 AM

Steal the rugby conversion rule and kick from the point the touchdown was scored.

1/22/2014 8:56:28 AM

how about the kicker has to hit the goal post for the extra point. make the goal post a little wider.

1/22/2014 8:59:19 AM

Quote :

"When 99% (or whatever) EP's go in, it makes them pointless."

I'd argue the opposite. If < 1% of EP's go in, it would make them... pointless.

1/22/2014 9:00:08 AM

Mike and Mike were talking about having the player who scored the TD kick the extra point

1/22/2014 9:01:35 AM

Quote :

"if they want to spice things up... 1. move the kick back 2. make the goal posts narrower no need to get rid of it, plus if you do it my way, you'd get more teams going for 2 anyhow if they have a shakey kicker or a really good rushing/goal line offense "

I think I'd favor this.

1/22/2014 9:02:28 AM

^^^ wah wah

I heard one yesterday on tv, where the person who scored the touchdown kicks the extra point. that's a good idea too. moving it back, kicking from the previous line of scrimmage before the td, all good ideas. getting rid of it and doing the 7 points with plus/minus isn't very interesting to me as it removes an important aspect of the game. just like I hate the idea of removing the kickoff and awarding possession at the 25. it removes the importance of distance kicking, special teams, the onside kick, Devin Hester, etc

^^ I heard that one on ATH or PTI yestersay; sounded better coming from whoever I heard it from than mike and fucking mike

[Edited on January 22, 2014 at 9:04 AM. Reason : add another ^]

1/22/2014 9:03:28 AM

whatever the XFL use to do. do that.

1/22/2014 9:31:46 AM

Having the scoring player kick it is the only proposal that I've heard so far that has made me think, "oh that'd be interesting." I don't necessarily think it's the best option, but it's the most intriguing to me.

The "kick from the line of scrimmage" thing is unique, but poses a lot of issues, like what if it's a 98 yard play or a punt/kickoff return. I would think you'd have to have a cap so if it's longer than __ yards you just kick it from the ___ yard line.

I wonder when the last time an extra point was faked to go for 2 in the NFL?

1/22/2014 9:33:30 AM

Let's focus on something more important. Get rid of this stupid pro bowl draft.

1/22/2014 9:41:35 AM

I kind of like this proposal: the 11 who scored the TD are the 11 who line up for the extra point (1 point or 2).

1/22/2014 10:29:08 AM

+1 for using rugby conversion rules

since you don't have to put the ball down in football, just make it laterally where the ball crossed the line.

1/22/2014 10:34:45 AM

eliminate of kicking extra point
eliminate 2 point conversions

run a play from the 2 yard line for the extra point

this eliminates the monotony of kicked xp and retains the excitement of two point play.

I am against keeping the 2 point play because I would rather see frantic offensive drives to make up for previously missed extra points. Also I know it is odd, but I like my scores in multiples of 7s and 3s or combinations thereof

Also lets talk about the commercial situation

TD
Commercial
XP
Commercial
Kick-off
Commercial

That alone might be reason enough to just make all TDs worth 7 points

[Edited on January 22, 2014 at 10:48 AM. Reason : ]

1/22/2014 10:42:26 AM

^ I like that idea.

The first thing that popped in my head after reading was to keep the ball at the traditional distance for a 1 point conversion, or move it back to the five to attempt a 2 point conversion. That way teams can catch up if need be in exchange for an added degree of difficulty.

1/22/2014 10:53:50 AM

^yeah, I'd like to maintain some level of decision making, strategy and risk/reward; so I'd like to see a some sort of two-option system. Whatever changes are made (if any) may also affect decision making on 4th down whilst in field goal range. We may see less or more going for it on 4th and short inside the 35 depending upon what the extra point options are and how that could affect longer-term strategy for building/maintaining a lead or mounting a comeback.

1/22/2014 11:01:44 AM

Football should switch to the metric system. Try substituting "meter" for "yard" in any football related sentance. You will love the way it just rolls off the tongue. Plus the field would be longer.

[Edited on January 22, 2014 at 11:11 AM. Reason : six meter punt]

1/22/2014 11:11:01 AM

gtfo

1/22/2014 11:23:51 AM

"Whoever scores the touchdown has to kick the XP"

Love it.

[Edited on January 22, 2014 at 11:34 AM. Reason : ]

1/22/2014 11:33:44 AM

let's make the whole thing metric, 100 meter field, 10 minute periods, 10 downs, touchdowns worth 10 points

"here at Wembley Stadium it's the London Lords 15.8, Amsterdam Addicts 10.2 with 4 minutes left in the 8th period. The Lords have 9th and about a decimeter from the 85 meter line, and the bowler moves back from the pitch..."

1/22/2014 11:35:56 AM

make the extra point be on the following kick off. if the kicker kicks it through the uprights on the kick off, you get 1 point.

1/22/2014 11:43:13 AM

This needs to be kept simple and taken a step at a time. Move the ball back to make the kick more challenging and that's it. I don't know about making the posts more narrow, as FGA from long range would get that much harder, which is not the goal here. I say just keep pushing the XP back until the NFL gets whatever they are looking for (lower conversion percentage or more balance between XPs and 2PCs, not saying 50-50, but maybe they're looking for 70-30 or so).

[Edited on January 22, 2014 at 12:43 PM. Reason : add another note]

1/22/2014 12:39:18 PM

^ The problem is you are changing the rules but not adding excitement. Your XP essentially becomes a FG and I think most people agree that no one cares to watch FG attempts. I think the competition committee bases rule changes on safety and added excitement

I do not see the NFL allows its skill players to risk injury kicking the ball. I know kickers rarely get hurt, but they are trained professionals. Too much money at risk to let Tom Brady kick xp after qb sneak for the TD

[Edited on January 22, 2014 at 12:47 PM. Reason : ]

1/22/2014 12:43:39 PM

they should implement the Rock n Jock Basketball style of scoring points, with various point totals possible depending on where you kick it. like hang some rings of differing sizes, maybe make the 5 point one spin slowly or something like that

1/22/2014 1:13:18 PM

How about Goodell on an elevated turret shooting tennis balls while the kicker tries to run it in from the 25 yard line a la American Gladiators Assault?

1/22/2014 1:16:15 PM

Different color circles on the field. Leave the current spot for one point. Have a circle between 25-45 for 2 points. A spot between the 45-50 for 3 points. Then a 7 point spot 76 yards away. Call it the Janikowski XP.

1/22/2014 1:20:18 PM

@Smath74

Quote :

"http://www.wralsportsfan.com/goodell-suggests-ditching-the-pat-kick/13317104/ in the NFL Two things... 1. Gimmicky 2. I had no idea the 2 point conversion wasn't introduced until 1994. (sry if posted before)"

You can thank Trump and the USFL for the 2 pt. conversion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Football_League#Unique_traits_of_and_curious_facts_about_the_USFL

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"Unique traits of and curious facts about the USFL[edit] Like the XFL that would follow them, the USFL sought to differentiate themselves form the NFL with slightly different rules, most notably: The two-point conversion (since adopted by the NFL, in 1994). The college rule of stopping the clock after first downs was used only for the final two minutes of each half. For the 1985 season, a method of challenging officials' rulings on the field via instant replay (using a system that is almost identical to that used by the NFL today). Dan Marino was the first player drafted by a USFL team, but never signed. In the NFL draft, Dan Marino mysteriously fell almost out the first round. The Los Angeles Express picked him with the 1st overall pick. Jerry Rice was also selected first overall pick in the 1985 Draft, by the Birmingham Stallions, but never played a game for them. In addition to producing many NFL players, the USFL also produced at least two future World Champion professional wrestlers: Lex Luger & Ron Simmons."

1/22/2014 1:30:18 PM

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"The problem is you are changing the rules but not adding excitement. Your XP essentially becomes a FG and I think most people agree that no one cares to watch FG attempts. I think the competition committee bases rule changes on safety and added excitement"

Let's deal with reality; it's very doubtful that some contrived rules and gimmicks will ever pass. The idea and point should be to increase the difficulty of an XP. Sort of like the 3-point line in college - it was moved further away. They didn't add more rings or additional point scales, and it's not anymore exciting than the old 3-point line, etc. The change was simple and effective. Simply increasing the distance is a big enough to change to add more difficulty to the XP attempt. And you're correct that a longer kick isn't adding excitement for most fans; however, you are thinking about this in a vacuum. When XPs are not automatic anymore, a lot of excitement is added when teams have to figure out how to make up for missed XPs. And, if you make the distance just large enough, you possibly add a lot of excitement with more 2PC attempts.

[Edited on January 22, 2014 at 3:08 PM. Reason : .]

1/22/2014 3:07:52 PM

Maybe if they decide to eliminate the XP just eliminate both and scrap plays after TDs all together.

TD > 50 yds = 8 pts
TD >= 20 yds or <=50 yds = 7 pts
TD < 20 yds = 6 pts

Problem solved

Also gives the defense some fun options for strategies as well

[Edited on January 22, 2014 at 3:19 PM. Reason : .]

1/22/2014 3:18:43 PM

Quote :

"Let's deal with reality; it's very doubtful that some contrived rules and gimmicks will ever pass. The idea and point should be to increase the difficulty of an XP. Sort of like the 3-point line in college - it was moved further away. They didn't add more rings or additional point scales, and it's not anymore exciting than the old 3-point line, etc. The change was simple and effective"

fun sponge

1/22/2014 3:26:21 PM

Hi I'm Roger Goodell, and I want to fuck up something that works just fine already

1/22/2014 3:37:59 PM

Yeh, basketball didn't need the dunk, 3 pointer, or shotclock either. Let's never change any sport.

1/22/2014 3:40:29 PM

great analogy

who needs games like this when we can just change the rules

Quote :

"Trailing 9-3, the Bucs' offense woke up just in time, with Brad Johnson driving the team 82 yards in the last two minutes to set up a six-yard touchdown pass to Keenan McCardell as time expired. An extra point would have won it, but Carolina DT Kris Jenkins blocked the attempt, sending the game to overtime and giving the Panthers a chance to eventually win it on John Kasay's field goal."

[Edited on January 22, 2014 at 3:51 PM. Reason : /]

1/22/2014 3:46:11 PM

You had to reach back a decade to find a relevant example

1/22/2014 4:22:40 PM

Quote :

"Let's deal with reality; it's very doubtful that some contrived rules and gimmicks will ever pass. "

Agreed

Quote :

"The idea and point should be to increase the difficulty of an XP. Sort of like the 3-point line in college - it was moved further away. They didn't add more rings or additional point scales, and it's not anymore exciting than the old 3-point line, etc. The change was simple and effective. Simply increasing the distance is a big enough to change to add more difficulty to the XP attempt. "

Adding a 3pt line in basketball is not quite the same. The 3 point line separates a 40-60% fg attempt from a 25-40% 3pter (just spitballing round numbers.

In the analogy the current XP could be likened to an uncontested dunk - almost unmissable. To complete the analogy. You would have to move the kick way back - like to 45 yards to see a marked drop in conversion rates worthy of changing the rule in this manner. In my opinion, this devalues the 3 point field goal (football).

Quote :

"And you're correct that a longer kick isn't adding excitement for most fans; however, you are thinking about this in a vacuum. When XPs are not automatic anymore, a lot of excitement is added when teams have to figure out how to make up for missed XPs. And, if you make the distance just large enough, you possibly add a lot of excitement with more 2PC attempts."

Still the most kneebuckling XP kick attempt doesn't compare with a traditional offensive play for XP.

I stand by my idea of eliminating kicks for XP and the 2XP play in favor of a standard offensive play run from the 2 yard line. (Close enough to run or pass)

The 50/50 conversion rate of this kind of play will lead to even more "excitement added when teams have to figure out how to make up for even more missed XPs"

1/22/2014 4:22:41 PM

Quote :

"TD > 50 yds = 8 pts TD >= 20 yds or <=50 yds = 7 pts TD < 20 yds = 6 pts Problem solved "

LOL fantasy football shit. Just push it back to the 30 and be done with it. Degree of difficulty would increase dramatically and it would make the extra point important.

1/22/2014 4:23:59 PM

The conversion rate on FG over 50 yards in the NFL was 63.4% (66/104) in 2008 in 2013 the conversion rate rises to 67.1% (96/143)

Moving the kick back 30 yards is pointless.

1/22/2014 4:39:28 PM

How about putting another crossbar on the field goal post across the top so it's more like a box. Coupled with moving the extra point kick back, it would make kicking over the defensive line harder since you can't just kick it to the sky. Then, it makes regular field goals more exciting as well.

[Edited on January 22, 2014 at 4:49 PM. Reason : .]

1/22/2014 4:48:22 PM

I absolutely hate the extra point. Serves no purpose.Get rid of it!

1/22/2014 4:56:00 PM

Quote :

"You had to reach back a decade to find a relevant example"

Just a Panthers example

the Titans, Steelers, Eagles, Cowboys and Packers all either missed XPs or had them blocked this season

If this were to pass, how long til Goodell just gets rid of field goals and punts too? He already crippled kickoff returns by moving the ball up. Why does Goodell hate special teams? Because people get concussions on kick returns. How the hell is getting rid of extra points supposed to help player safety?

1/22/2014 5:26:34 PM

So what's broke about extra points that needs to be fixed?

Almost every year there's a few rules that only seem to exist because hey, we've got to change something.

1/22/2014 5:31:07 PM

Keep the extra point but move it back 20-30 yards. Keep the 2 point conversion at the same spot. Coaches will be more likely to go for 2.

[Edited on January 22, 2014 at 6:06 PM. Reason : not necessarily more likely to go for 2 than 1 just more likely to go for 2 than with current system]

1/22/2014 6:05:01 PM

once we remove the extra kick and the kickoff, you're going to have guys that haven't kicked in a live game in two weeks come out trying game winners. it could get ugly.

1/22/2014 6:15:30 PM

Quote :

"The conversion rate on FG over 50 yards in the NFL was 63.4% (66/104) in 2008 in 2013 the conversion rate rises to 67.1% (96/143) Moving the kick back 30 yards is pointless. "

In other words, field goals need to be more difficult, right? Not just XPs. I mean, if the argument is that XPs are essentially automatic and therefore boring, then couldn't/shouldn't the same argument be applied to FGs in general? That's why I'd argue, if anything, make the fg posts more narrow. In addition to that you could also move the XP distance back as well.

1/22/2014 6:37:14 PM

I don't like getting rid of the extra point, I think the following three items or a combination of all three should be considered.

1) move the try to the 5. Makes the xp only slightly more difficult, best in combination with the other ideas. The big change though is it probably makes 2pt conversions easier, since the defense isn't as compacted.

2) narrow the goal posts by 1-2ft. Increases difficulty of all kicks which I feel is good for the game

3) force all tries to start from a hashmark of the offense's choosing

I think all three would be pretty interesting to watch.

[Edited on January 22, 2014 at 7:29 PM. Reason : .]

1/22/2014 7:28:13 PM

Just for shits and giggles:

If you kill the extra point, kickers will have a harder time making regular field goals.

kicking the xp is a rehearsal with game time conditions for field goals. Kicking in practice or pre-game is easy (for kickers), no rush, great holds, and there is no pressure. Ask any kicker what their long is in practice and "game conditions", there is a 10yd difference easy. the xp losens them up, breaks the ice so to say, and keeps them involved. Take away the xp, less game condition kicks, no chance of kicking prior to the first field goal attempt.

I wonder if the % of missed field goals is higher if there was no previous kick attempt or xp?! That may be worth a look.

1/22/2014 8:20:10 PM