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"Are they these extreme conservatives who are right-to-life, pro-assault-weapon, anti-gay? Is that who they are? Because if that’s who they are and they’re the extreme conservatives, they have no place in the state of New York, because that’s not who New Yorkers are.” "

This is what Governor Cuomo said of right wing conservatives in New York. I find this statement, coming from a Governor, very scary.

Party of tolerance...pffffff. Party of tolerance as long as you think like they do.

Thoughts?

I mean he pretty much just told all Catholics....in New York....to leave.

1/22/2014 11:27:45 AM

being intolerant of intolerance is not intolerance

1/22/2014 11:40:02 AM

Could you inlcude the story you're quoting from for a little more context? He probably should have kept his mouth shut, or worded it differently, but he did appear to be specifically addressing "extreme conservatives", not necessarily everyone who doesn't think exactly like him. But let's be honest, people who identify as "anti-gay" or "extreme conservatives" are a big part of the lunatic fringe that don't represent the majority of New Yorkers, the majority of Americans, or the majority of humans. ("Extreme liberals" are also part of the lunatic fringe).

1/22/2014 11:42:39 AM

Explain to me how being pro 2nd Amendment is intolerant.

Again, if I don't think like you, I'm in the wrong.

And besides, these are gross generalizations of folks on the right. The same kinds of generalizations that if we made, would get us called *ahem* intolerant.

What about Catholics...are you calling all Catholics intolerant?

^^And if he would have included left wing liberals, I would have been ok with that, but he's obviously targeting a specific demographic. I hope they all leave and take their money with them. There are a number of stories out there quoting his speech, but of course they are all right leaning outlets, because nobody else is saying anything.

http://www.buffalonews.com/city-region/politics/cuomo-no-place-in-new-york-for-extremist-conservative-politicians-20140117

What bothers me isn't necessarily that he tells extremists to leave, it is his definition of extremists.

[Edited on January 22, 2014 at 11:47 AM. Reason : adfasd]

1/22/2014 11:44:37 AM

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"being intolerant of intolerance is not intolerance"

btw... tolerance goes a -long- way and more people need to learn it. however, tolerance is not necessarily the same thing as agreeing.

[Edited on January 22, 2014 at 11:47 AM. Reason : ]

1/22/2014 11:45:57 AM

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"The same kinds of generalizations that if we made, would get us called *ahem* intolerant."

I don't understand how people can't understand that identifying as "anti-gay" is intolerant and unaccepatable. As has already said, "being intolerant of intolerance isn't 'intolerance'" (per se).

1/22/2014 11:48:27 AM

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"I don't understand how people can't understand that identifying as "anti-gay" is intolerant and unaccepatable. As has already said, "being intolerant of intolerance isn't 'intolerance'" (per se)."

1/22/2014 11:51:41 AM

Let's exclude anti-gay then...that was just 1/3 of his criteria for needing to leave the state. I can identify with anti-gay being intolerant, unless maybe you subscribe to that belief through a religion.

1/22/2014 11:52:21 AM

that's why I said that it sounds like he's specifically talking about "extreme conservatives". I don't think he was specifcally saying "if you're pro-assault, you don't belong in New York". He was talking about "extreme conservatives", who share many extremists views, who are part of the lunatic fringe. That's also why I think having the background of why he said this might provide a little context.

1/22/2014 11:54:27 AM

so are we saying anti-____ == intolerance, or just cherry picking?

1/22/2014 11:55:13 AM

Does being all 3 make you a lunatic though? Lunatic is a strong word.

1/22/2014 11:55:49 AM

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"so are we saying anti-____ == intolerance, or just cherry picking?"

i think we're saying being anti-gay is intolerant.

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"Does being all 3 make you a lunatic though?"

I didn't say that and neither did he. Once again, he said "extreme conservatives", and I'm not entirely clear on his definition of "extreme conservatives", but I'm assuming he's talking about the lunatic fringe of conservatives. Not necessarily someone who agrees with the three examples he chose to give. Although, once again, if you identify as being "anti-gay", that really pushes you towards that lunatic fringe.

1/22/2014 11:58:35 AM

But I'm sure there are lots of people who are anti-gay and also anti-guns.

My point is though, you're a fucking Governor. You shouldn't say things like that.

Could you imagine the shit storm of controversy that would be brewed if McCrory came out and described the lunatic left fringe and told them to leave the state?

My opinion would still be the same...shouldn't do it. But he wouldn't be able to get away with it, and neither should Cuomo.

1/22/2014 12:02:37 PM

its hard to comment on why he said it without the context of when he said it

[Edited on January 22, 2014 at 12:19 PM. Reason : sorry, missed the link that was added]

1/22/2014 12:05:07 PM

anti pro-assault weapon is not anti second amendment

me and my dad own several weapons and we are in this crowd

1/22/2014 12:07:59 PM

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"My point is though, you're a fucking Governor. You shouldn't say things like that."

I think that most people looking at it rationally would probably agree that he shouldn't have said what he said.

1/22/2014 12:13:50 PM

he shouldn't have said it, and he shouldn't have thought it. that's not the kind of ideology we need if we want to be able to bridge the gap and change the way extremists think.

[Edited on January 22, 2014 at 12:27 PM. Reason : .]

1/22/2014 12:22:41 PM

http://hotair.com/archives/2014/01/17/cuomo-pro-life-people-have-no-place-in-the-state-of-new-york/

This is a bit of a semantics argument, but it seems to be he was talking more specifically about politicians with these beliefs, not everyone who believes these things period

I'm not going to comment on whether this in itself is a problem, but for some people to make the jump that he thinks anyone who is pro-gun is not welcome in NY is a slight stretch

1/22/2014 12:43:42 PM

Cuomo committed the Ecological Fallacy, presuming that because the average New York voter is liberal, the state must be devoid of right-wing extremists ("that's not who New Yorkers are").
EDIT: This applies even if that particular statement were only about the politicians, I mean upstate NY is a conservative area and several state legislators come from there.

BTW "right-to-life, pro-assault-weapon, anti-gay" describes even typical conservatives, not just the extremists.

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"Party of tolerance as long as you think like they do."

Just because we find some conservative views abhorrent doesn't mean we find all views we don't agree with abhorrent (and not all of us find the same views abhorrent), and actually that statement applies more to the GOP than the Democrats, I mean look at all the moderates on our side that we tolerate because "big-tent party."

[Edited on January 22, 2014 at 12:52 PM. Reason : "tolerance" is code for "acquiescence to Rethug-think"

1/22/2014 12:44:53 PM

Well

Its pretty obvious that pro-gun people haven't been welcome in New York for a very long time. Just now it seems like he's making it official. Also, like any politician with those views would ever get elected in a state like NY.

[Edited on January 22, 2014 at 12:46 PM. Reason : asd]

1/22/2014 12:45:07 PM

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"like any politician with those views would ever get elected in a state like NY"

See I think that's really what he's saying here. Not that no extreme conservatives are welcome in NY

1/22/2014 12:49:16 PM

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"Also, like any politician with those views would ever get elected in a state like NY."

you do realize that New York is much more than the 5 Burroughs, right?

Peter King is no progressive

[Edited on January 22, 2014 at 12:52 PM. Reason : among others]

1/22/2014 12:51:58 PM

Here's results from 2012 Presidential election

1/22/2014 12:58:20 PM

not all republicans are extremists

1/22/2014 1:04:15 PM

very true. on a lot of issues, I identify more with moderate republicans than "liberals".

1/22/2014 1:05:29 PM

As a resident of new york city I'd rather rjrumfel not clog up the sidewalks around times square by walking slow and pointing at shit.

1/22/2014 1:48:27 PM

I've been to NY as a tourist, and trust me, I wasn't a pointer. I actually really enjoyed the visit, and I'd go back.

But this thread isn't about NYC.

1/22/2014 2:19:59 PM

THat's a pretty dumb thing for Cuomo to say. As bad as anything you'd hear on Fox News.

1/22/2014 3:16:41 PM

It reminds me of the argument that if you don't like this nation you can get out (presumably to Canada, although I doubt the repeatability of these results).

Maybe that was specific to the draft, I dunno.

1/22/2014 9:19:40 PM

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"Party of tolerance...pffffff. Party of tolerance as long as you think like they do."

Welcome to the Democratic Party of the US; where, if you don't agree with them, it's cause you're just plain evil.

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"Let's exclude anti-gay then...that was just 1/3 of his criteria for needing to leave the state. I can identify with anti-gay being intolerant, unless maybe you subscribe to that belief through a religion."

Let's not exclude it until we know what he means by "anti-gay." if it's just "you don't agree with me on everything regarding gay-rights issues, so you're anti-gay," then fuck him. and that's more than likely what he means, because that's exactly how the Democratic Party acts.

1/22/2014 10:48:31 PM

we've moved way the fuck past that

1/22/2014 10:52:37 PM

^^Welcome to the Republican Party of the US; where, if you point out that some part of their platform is evil, it's cause you're just plain intolerant.

[Edited on January 23, 2014 at 6:42 AM. Reason : also special protections for bigots

1/23/2014 6:40:56 AM

WTF...Hitler was evil. The Nazi party was evil. Are you saying that the Republican party, as a whole, is evil because some of its members don't agree with being gay?

Why don't you refer to a large segment of the Democratic party....religious African Americans, as evil? Because many of them don't agree with being gay either. Or how about Catholic Democrats? Are they all evil too?

1/23/2014 7:14:08 AM

republican extremists are evil

1/23/2014 7:24:47 AM

I really can't tell if you're trolling or are serious. And if you're serious, that's pretty awful.

1/23/2014 7:57:29 AM

its pretty awful that republicans allow evil extremists to have so much influence in their party

1/23/2014 9:00:01 AM

Come to think of it, looking back at all of your posts, it seems like they're all trolling attempts. You should stick to putting down overweight people in chit chat.

Tell me what stereotype you're thinking about that is so evil?

1/23/2014 9:29:26 AM

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=republican+extremism

1/23/2014 9:34:37 AM

The first two hits are from The Rolling Stone and Huffington Post. Yea those articles aren't biased.

1/23/2014 9:40:53 AM

The words of Republicans who left the party because of extremism:

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"“I cannot tolerate a political party in which hate speech elevates a candidate to higher office rather than disqualifying them"

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"Rational Republican beliefs have given way to ideological character assassination. Pragmatism and principle have been overtaken by pettiness and bigotry. Make no mistake; I have not left the Republican Party. It left me. I cannot tolerate a Republican Party that demeans Texans based on their sexual orientation, the color of their skin, or their economic status. I will not be a member of a party in which hate speech elevates candidates for higher office rather than disqualifying them. I cannot place my name on the ballot for a political party that is proud to destroy the lives of hundreds of thousands of federal workers over the vain attempt to repeal a law that would provide healthcare to millions of people throughout our country. .. I would hope that more people of principle will follow me."

-Texas Republican Judge Carlo R. Key
http://youtu.be/TtPdKjkcZCU

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"I simply cannot stand with a party where its most extreme element promote hate and division amongst people,” Thigpen said in a statement posted to his campaign website Thursday. “Nothing about my platform has, nor will it change. The government shutdown was simply the straw that broke the camels back. I guess being an American just isn’t good enough anymore and I refuse to be part of an extremist movement in the GOP that only appears to thrive on fear and hate mongering of anyone and everyone who doesn’t walk their line."

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"“I didn’t go to war to defend the liberties and freedoms of one Party, race, sex, or one income class of Americans. Whether white, black, Hispanic, Asian, man, woman, gay, lesbian, straight, rich, or poor – we fought together as equals, side-by-side for the benefit of every American in the same. So, to come home from serving our country and see North Carolina legislators using their super-majority status to gerrymander districts and pass a law to deliberately suppress and oppress the voting rights of Democrats but more specifically minorities and college students, is absolutely deplorable."

-North Carolina Republican congressional candidate Jason Thigpen
http://www.thigpenforcongress.com/hate-has-no-home-in-representation-congressional-candidate-for-nc3-parts-company-with-the-gop-to-run-on-the-democratic-ticket-by-christopher-dean/

[Edited on January 23, 2014 at 10:09 AM. Reason : words from Republicans]

1/23/2014 9:48:19 AM

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"Tell me what stereotype you're thinking about that is so evil?"

you familiar with a gentleman by the name of Dave Agema?

1/23/2014 12:03:40 PM

I'm sure I could dig up some "evil" left wing nutjobs as well.

1/23/2014 12:22:10 PM

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""Tell me what stereotype you're thinking about that is so evil?""

Lots of the talking heads that extreme conservatives view as heroes: guys like Rush, Hannity, etc,
(even though I'm sure a lot of their "extremism" is just an act for ratings)

[Edited on January 23, 2014 at 12:31 PM. Reason : ]

1/23/2014 12:22:29 PM

^^ do it, then

especially senior members of the party establishment

1/23/2014 12:27:53 PM

Barack Obama.

Lol.

1/23/2014 12:46:27 PM

I assume you're kinda joking, but do you really think Obama is anything close to a "left-wing nutjob"?

1/23/2014 12:49:18 PM

there are extremists on the left, except there are 2 reasons why they are very different: they don't have the same kind of influence, they aren't as dangerous

1/23/2014 12:49:33 PM

Yes I was definitely joking, although some think he has ties to left wing extremists.

And you're telling me that Soros doesn't have any influence?

1/23/2014 12:52:55 PM

in general? yes. in regards to extremist positions? no.

but i'm admittedly not that familiar with some of his political positions, which ones are extremist (and of those which ones are dangerous)?

1/23/2014 12:56:59 PM

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and guess he has no idea and is just a big fan of throwing around buzzwords and bogeymen without really knowing why

1/23/2014 12:59:38 PM