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rjrumfel
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concocted by the Republican party to put forth a voter ID law which disenfranchises old people and minorities.

Because you know, voter fraud doesn't really exist.

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/politics&id=9489311

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" The state Board of Elections revealed Wednesday that more than 35,000 people may have double voted by casting ballots in North Carolina and another state during the 2012 election. "


And if you think small numbers don't matter, ask Al Gore about small numbers. Bush won FL by less than 600 votes.

Sure, go ahead and come back and say the number of fraudulent votes hasn't been confirmed yet, but it was still enough for ABC affiliates to come out with the story. And just to be judicious, below is the link to MSNBC's rebuttal.

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/voter-fraud-north-carolina-not-so-fast-0

[Edited on April 5, 2014 at 9:03 PM. Reason : sthd]

4/5/2014 9:02:58 PM

A Tanzarian
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And how would voter ID and restricted voting time laws prevent this?

4/5/2014 9:10:25 PM

rjrumfel
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I don't agree with restricted voting time, at all. That is something I find convenient. And this isn't even me agreeing with any of the voter ID bill. I just think its funny that every time someone brings up voter fraud, it is shot down because "it's just a myth".

4/5/2014 9:12:39 PM

A Tanzarian
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"It's just a myth" is usually qualified with "in-person voter fraud".

4/5/2014 9:14:27 PM

OopsPowSrprs
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Just mail National ID cards to everyone based on information from NSA's databases on all of us. Problem solved.

4/5/2014 11:14:38 PM

sarijoul
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The data shown does not say that anyone has voted illegally. this group has "analyzed" voter rolls in lots of other states and it's turned up exactly zero actual cases of voter fraud. much of this could be clerical error or just people who moved.

4/5/2014 11:54:25 PM

carzak
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Hey, dummy:

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"The Board of Elections was careful to say they don't have proof of fraud...we still need to investigate to insure that it's not error or precinct error, because that does happen "

4/6/2014 5:29:28 PM

dtownral
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its 35k people with matching first and last but not middle names. the actual number in question is 765 voters, and these have not been investigated to see if they are due to reporting error which is apparently common. even if it was 35k, that's about 10% of the people who would be disenfranchised from rushing voter ID.

4/6/2014 5:37:32 PM

rjrumfel
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^^Before calling someone a dummy, read their OP. Where they actually say

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"the number of fraudulent votes hasn't been confirmed yet, "

4/6/2014 7:29:57 PM

moron
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I think the concept of voter ID is sound. Just seems the implementations have been awkward, and then you have republican politicians on video boasting about how it will win them elections.

4/6/2014 7:49:39 PM

dtownral
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yeah, no one would really care if it was phased in over enough time to make sure no one is disenfranchised.

(^^ regardless, 35k is misleading)

4/6/2014 8:30:15 PM

carzak
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^^^You said that, but you still made a snarky thread wherein you assume it's fraud, and it's rampant. The reality is that fraud is still minuscule, and these numbers show it. We don't need new laws because a few dozen people voted twice.

[Edited on April 6, 2014 at 10:13 PM. Reason : ^]

4/6/2014 10:13:14 PM

aaronburro
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^^^ moron and I are in agreement

4/7/2014 9:23:53 PM

dtownral
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"After initial hysteria, back-pedaling over NC voter fraud claims"

http://www.southernstudies.org/2014/04/after-initial-hysteria-back-pedaling-over-nc-voter.html

4/13/2014 10:14:00 AM

TreeTwista10
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"I think the concept of voter ID is sound. Just seems the implementations have been awkward,"


In North Carolina at least, the proposed bill gave voters 3 years to stop by the DMV for a free identification card. I don't think it's unreasonable to take some time from one of 1100 days to stop by for a free ID.

Plus that free ID could help you do other things, like cash a check.

4/15/2014 1:05:52 AM

HockeyRoman
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No one is really arguing that. It's the other pile of garbage that was packaged in with it.

4/15/2014 7:35:30 PM

aaronburro
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^ heh, that, unfortunately, describes a ton of legislation these days

4/15/2014 9:43:31 PM

rjrumfel
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Yea, I think everybody's main beef is the elimination of early voting, which I don't agree with either. It's a nice convenience.

4/15/2014 9:54:34 PM

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I'm generally in favor of legislation that makes it easier for the public to vote, and against legislation that makes it harder for the public to vote.

But I don't really have a problem with voter ID laws, as I'd like to believe that everyone in this country has at least 1 form of government identification. However, I think in exchange for embracing the Voter ID fad, the Left should demand that election day be made a national holiday. If no one has to work that day, it makes it a lot easier to get to the polls.

The Right will never go for that though. They'll scrap the Voter ID push before they let the plebes free.

4/16/2014 8:19:31 AM

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Why should the right care if voting day was made a national holiday? Most on the left don't have jobs anyways, so it would only benefit the hard-working right, right?

4/16/2014 8:42:01 AM

rjrumfel
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I don't understand why that hasn't been done yet already.

4/16/2014 9:23:12 AM

DeltaBeta
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Because if a member of the opposing party thought of it, it's bad. Even if it's good.

4/16/2014 4:38:12 PM

moron
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^ that exists on both sides of this issue now, sadly.

A few years ago, someone could have said "hey lets make IDs required to vote" and if it was just left at that, without all these other weird rules about college students and stuff, it probably would have passed.

Now if any republican talks about it, democrats are instantly skeptical of their motives, insinuating they're racists or whatever, despite what implementation they're going for. Granted, the only reason a republican would typically talk about it would be with the intention of disenfranchising SOMEONE, but it's at the point where it's difficult to have a discussion. Obama isn't really helping this either...

Very sad world we live in.

4/16/2014 4:41:57 PM

y0willy0
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more like a very sad STATE we live in.

in case you havent noticed youre surrounded by hicks.

4/16/2014 5:21:37 PM

aaronburro
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"Now if any republican talks about it, democrats are instantly skeptical of their motives, insinuating they're racists or whatever, despite what implementation they're going for."

The problem is, that describes basically every single issue at this point. One side says "I'm not sure I like such and such," and the other side says "you are evil person with horrible motives." It's not wonder that no one wants to work with each other...

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"Granted, the only reason a republican would typically talk about it would be with the intention of disenfranchising SOMEONE, but it's at the point where it's difficult to have a discussion."

1) Whenever any politician talks about changing voting rules, it's usually to disenfranchise someone.
2) This is the exact kind of shit you just complained about.

4/17/2014 12:42:18 AM

rjrumfel
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I'm a republican, and my goal is to disenfranchise no one. I just think voter ID is a solid idea. So is the voter holiday.

But to sit here and say that because I'm a republican my goal is disenfranchisement of someone when I talk about voter law reform...what a hypocrite. You can't talk about our legislature and what they've done and apply that to all republicans in the state. There are some of us with some sense.

4/17/2014 9:48:09 AM

NyM410
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Pretty obvious that most people aren't directly talking about you then. As noted, the vast majority of the anger at the misnamed "Voter ID" law is all the other bullshit that is clearly meant to disenfranchise people (mostly students).

I'm ok with voter ID. It's not necessary and is trying to solve a problem that barely, if at all, exists... but I'm OK with it.

[Edited on April 17, 2014 at 10:03 AM. Reason : X]

4/17/2014 10:01:51 AM

dtownral
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its the Republican party goal to disenfranchise voters, they have admitted this publicly. That does not mean its the goal of every Republican who supports voter ID.

4/17/2014 10:16:07 AM

rjrumfel
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Citation needed

4/17/2014 11:18:07 AM

thegoodlife3
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Pa. House Republican Leader Mike Turzai on why voter ID laws were instituted in 2012:

http://youtu.be/EuOT1bRYdK8

4/17/2014 11:29:48 AM

dtownral
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http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/dxhtvk/suppressing-the-vote
etc...

4/17/2014 11:35:30 AM

thegoodlife3
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http://www.thewire.com/politics/2014/05/voter-id-supporting-candidate-forgets-id-becomes-latest-victim-of-voter-id-law/371302/

perfect

5/20/2014 9:05:22 PM

Wyld Stallyn
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Why limit early voting times?

5/25/2014 7:54:18 AM

Dentaldamn
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Bc old and poor people normally vote early.

5/25/2014 9:07:59 AM

Wyld Stallyn
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Well, then let me pose that question to supporters of limiting early voting.

5/27/2014 4:54:00 PM

wdprice3
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Because Rucho's son is a moron and can't figure out how to vote.

5/27/2014 5:00:13 PM

Wyld Stallyn
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Ok? Link?

5/27/2014 5:03:00 PM

wdprice3
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http://wunc.org/post/state-senate-moves-toward-sweeping-election-changes

5/28/2014 12:57:17 PM

moron
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I didn't see a mention of the requirement that college students go back home to vote?

5/28/2014 1:28:31 PM

rjrumfel
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I can't remember - do college students currently have to fill out absentee ballots/register with their new school address?

5/28/2014 1:33:18 PM

wdprice3
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well I know the NCGA wanted to say that they couldn't use absentee, they had to vote in their "home" county, and that on-campus housing wouldn't be eligible as a home address.

I don't how much they got though.

5/28/2014 1:36:37 PM

Wyld Stallyn
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College students will be allowed to vote at their polling location of choice for the Republican of their choice.

5/29/2014 8:10:57 AM

aaronburro
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http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/sep/23/colorado-voter-fraud-revealed-slew-of-ballots-cast/

9/26/2016 11:20:47 PM

goalielax
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cool. so there's an anecdote of one dead person voting and a comment that the database has errors, but nothing tying those errors to proof of widespread fraud

BETTER MAKE SURE THEM DARKIES CAN'T VOTE

9/27/2016 8:58:51 AM

rjrumfel
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Why on earth would you want to disenfranchise African Americans. And it boggles my mind that you would call them darkies. That's an awful reference for which you should be suspended.

9/27/2016 11:30:13 AM

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As long as the dead people vote for Clinton, who cares, eh SJWs?

Also claiming voter ID laws are racist is itself racist. Racism of low expectations

9/27/2016 1:54:48 PM

ElGimpy
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you need to differentiate between reality and narratives

9/27/2016 2:11:07 PM

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Quote :
"Why on earth would you want to disenfranchise African Americans."


He doesn't.

9/27/2016 2:13:39 PM

wdprice3
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I'HS RASES CAUSE U SAY THA'S RASES!

[Edited on September 27, 2016 at 2:15 PM. Reason : .]

9/27/2016 2:14:47 PM

Bullet
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If you're intolerant of bigots, that makes you a bigot!

9/27/2016 2:32:14 PM

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