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yeah, militarized police forces scare the shit out of me

12/1/2018 9:24:59 PM

bubster5041
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So that guy is a gullible conspiracy theorist? Seems plausible. Possibly also a white supremacist? Also tracks.

The M4 is more concerning considering all of those possibilities

12/2/2018 11:27:45 AM

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these guys fascinate me:
https://twitter.com/travis_view/status/1074691759811117056



and last week when trump misspelled smoking (smocking) they went crazy with ideas, including that it referred to a podesta rape smock

12/17/2018 10:59:07 AM

A Tanzarian
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Holy shit they have a giant decoder ring. Is this all a commercial for Ovaltine?

12/17/2018 11:26:46 AM

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...a crummy commercial

12/17/2018 11:49:56 AM

dtownral
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uniformed members of the military getting MAGA hats signed by Trump at his visit is way worse than a west point cadet with "communism will win" taped under his cover

12/27/2018 11:30:02 AM

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I'd like to know where all the MAGA stuff came from. [anecdote]From my service time, I can only think of 2-3 people who regularly talked politics and I don't remember anyone bringing campaign swag on a deployment.[/anecdote] On the other hand, I do remember being told not to attend political events in uniform and, on the few occasions we were visited by politicians, being reminded they were there in an official capacity and not as politicians.

12/27/2018 5:44:00 PM

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I'm constantly amazed when people are surprised to learn that the military leans right-wing.

The military (and their domestic sibling, the police force) exists to protect the interests of the state. And the state exists to protect the interests of the ruling class. So of course the military is going to attract those who are sympathetic to preserving the interests of capital, private property, and white supremacy "american" interests. And if they get deployed overseas to put down a few popular uprisings and/or murk a few haji's along the way, they're probably not going to concern themselves too much about it.

[Edited on December 28, 2018 at 8:09 PM. Reason : ]

12/28/2018 8:08:36 PM

dtownral
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Plenty of Democrats enlisted and senior officers

12/28/2018 10:15:36 PM

JesusHChrist
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And?

The military is the armed wing of the state. It exists to carry out the mission of corporate imperialism on behalf of the ruling class/business elite, etc. This is its primary function. Having a supply of hyper militant nationalists who view foreign citizens as sub-human who need to be civilized and/or tamed facilitates that objective. But having a few liberals or democrats within its ranks does nothing to detract from its core mission, because the institution itself exists to eradicate foreign opposition. A soldier with a heart of gold is still a soldier, and he or she still serves at the behest of an institution that does not share his/her values.

12/30/2018 5:57:48 PM

dtownral
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The split mirrors the US, it's not right wing

12/30/2018 10:08:31 PM

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"I'm constantly amazed when people are surprised to learn that the military leans right-wing."


If anyone is "surprised" by that reality they're dumb AF.

[Edited on December 31, 2018 at 2:03 AM. Reason : But I'm not backing your VIVA LA REVOLUTION language ]

12/31/2018 2:01:57 AM

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Most of the stats I've seen put the military as slightly more right-leaning than America at large, but it's not much--substantially less than it used to be, and substantially less than people generally think it is. Anecdotally, it's a vastly more libertarian (albeit more hawkish than the average capital-L type) sort of right-leaning (not the jackbooted fascist archetype you're saying "of course" are right-wingers), and the left-leaning types are pretty much always pragmatic center-left types, not wacky left-wing ideologues.

Also, aside from partisanship and ideology, the officers have pretty much always fucking hated Trump, specifically--from his initial rise in the campaign, to now. By that, I mean statistically (obviously I know individual officers who love him), and I mean across the officer ranks, from Lieutenants to Generals.

Anecdotally, many of the most vehement and thoughtful critics of Trump that I know are (or were) military officers, particularly outside of friends/associates who lean left, politically.

12/31/2018 2:12:42 AM

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True libertarians have more in common with “wacky far left ideologues” than center left pragmatists.

[Edited on December 31, 2018 at 10:15 AM. Reason : .]

12/31/2018 10:14:46 AM

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"Anecdotally, it's a vastly more libertarian (albeit more hawkish than the average capital-L type)"


American Libertarianism is a gateway drug to full-throated conservatism, because their fetish for preserving private property always outweighs their desire for limited government. Because if somebody ACTUALLY believed in limited government, they wouldn't join the world's largest and most funded apparatus of government control, the military, to begin with.

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"and the left-leaning types are pretty much always pragmatic center-left types, not wacky left-wing ideologues"


So then we agree that moderate democrats and soft liberals don't have much sway on the function of the military. And one could argue that if the only liberals are "pragmatic moderates," then it stands to reason that the military does not have any real ideological opposition within their ranks to their core mission of dominating foreign populations to protect the interests of a super wealthy few.

12/31/2018 2:30:06 PM

theDuke866
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^^, ^

Hang on, so is libertarianism more closely related to the hard left, or is is a gateway drug to full-throated conservatism?




or maaaaaaaaybe you're both simulataneously full of shit.

12/31/2018 7:46:46 PM

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Libertarianism is traditionally a left-wing ideology.

The warped American form of libertarianism is distinctly right-wing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism

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"Traditionally, libertarianism was a term for a form of left-wing politics; such left-libertarian ideologies seek to abolish capitalism and private ownership of the means of production, or else to restrict their purview or effects, in favor of common or cooperative ownership and management, viewing private property as a barrier to freedom and liberty.[6][7][8][9] Classical libertarian ideologies include, but are not limited to, anarcho-communism (and anarcho-syndicalism), mutualism, egoism, alongside many other anti-paternalist, New Left schools of thought centered around economic egalitarianism. In the United States, modern right-libertarian ideologies, such as minarchism and anarcho-capitalism, co-opted the term in the mid-20th century to instead advocate laissez-faire capitalism and strong private property rights, such as in land, infrastructure, and natural resources.["

12/31/2018 7:51:32 PM

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Traditional Libertarianism as it originated, was associated with anarchism, which is left wing.

American Libertarianism originated from the CATO Institute, and is decidedly a right-wing project that attracts predominantly white males who get a hard-on for private property.

[Edited on December 31, 2018 at 8:05 PM. Reason : ]

12/31/2018 7:52:14 PM

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https://www.kentucky.com/news/local/article224806590.html

these MAGA kids mocking a Native American is nearly a perfect encapsulation of Trump’s America

1/19/2019 4:48:30 PM

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So is wearing a maga hat and shouting build the wall a new racist chat?

Kind of amazing how easily people adopt the racist tone of trump’s comments, but the media debates of its racist or not.

1/19/2019 6:01:28 PM

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Those kids are future McConnell voters.

1/19/2019 7:51:09 PM

rjrumfel
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I don't get what their beef was with this Native American or their march. Like politicians sending dick pics. Why risk getting in trouble over something so stupid.

1/19/2019 8:35:17 PM

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Look at the way they're dressed, they're moronic high schoolers that have replaced following sports or a band with being a "fan" of a politician. They're stupid, racist kids that are probably surrounded by stupid, racist adults.

1/19/2019 8:50:39 PM

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They did that while attending the March for Life.... disgusting irony

I would have thought racism would die/have died with the passing of these kids' parents' generation, but obviously, it is going to continue for at least one more generation, and they will teach the same to their kids one day.

Sigh... America is going to the dogs.

1/19/2019 10:24:25 PM

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"I don't get what their beef was with this Native American or their march. Like politicians sending dick pics. Why risk getting in trouble over something so stupid.
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They were waiting for their busses and decided to walk around trolling different groups there. The first seemed to be the native Americans as they were leaving.

Then they were arguing with some black Israelites who were mocking trump for his Giuliani drag skit, but also supporting trump for hating on gays, then they left when their busses came.

It was a strength in numbers thing. It shows the danger of mob mentality.

1/19/2019 11:30:19 PM

dtownral
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The native Americans approached the students

1/20/2019 9:47:36 AM

0EPII1
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Hmm

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/maga-hat-donald-trump-native-american-covington-catholic-nathan-phillips-black-muslims-a8737186.html

There is a video linked in the article.

Here is a description of the 1.75 hr video:

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"Full video of what transpired regarding Catholic High students

First 45 minutes are african americans being incredibly racist and threatening violence against the students directly. Kept that in the upload in case someone accuses me of deceptive editing. Nothing here was edited, at all. This is the whole video of the entire event.

Starts getting interesting around @1:10:00

Native Americans invade the student rally at 1:11:24. You can see them come across directly, and instigate the confrontation with the kids. The kids were minding their own business.

At NO point in the entire video do they chant "build the wall.""


[Edited on January 20, 2019 at 3:37 PM. Reason : ]

1/20/2019 3:32:06 PM

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"It shows the danger of mob mentality."

The irony of this is too thick

1/20/2019 4:45:17 PM

rjrumfel
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^^^Is that true?

1/20/2019 5:08:26 PM

aaronburro
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Yup.

1/20/2019 5:28:01 PM

rjrumfel
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That puts a very interesting spin on things I guess. But the kids should have just walked away. Now that one kid up front will never hold a job, unless it's for Breitbart or Fox News.

1/20/2019 8:11:21 PM

dtownral
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This smells like more foreign adversaries creating a politically/culturally divisive story. What social media accounts made this go viral?

1/20/2019 8:55:47 PM

theDuke866
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Hahahahahaha haha.



Dumbfuck Trumpers will believe anything. Goddamn we are so boned.






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Documents proving that the Democrats were planning an attack on the White House while they were "supposed" to be on their war zone travels. That's why Trump essentially grounded Nancy Polinski and canceled the brussels, and Afghanistan trip. They knew and have been caught red handed.

Courtesy of Skyler Champagne

https://DocumentCloud.org/documents/5686598-Complaint-against-Hasher-Taheb.html
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1/20/2019 9:40:21 PM

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"we" lol

[Edited on January 20, 2019 at 10:31 PM. Reason : ]

1/20/2019 10:30:42 PM

theDuke866
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We, as in ‘Murca.

1/20/2019 11:06:29 PM

JesusHChrist
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You know...eventually one of these red hats who isn't completely drowning in his or her (lolol....just kidding, it's going to be an incel) own incompetence is going to be successful in carrying out an assassination attempt against a political opponent. And this is in addition to violence that has already been implicitly sanctioned to be carried out against minority communities. And they are going to cite pizzagate or Q or some stupid shit as their motivation.

1/20/2019 11:20:44 PM

aaronburro
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Kids should have walked away? From the place where their bus was going to pick them up? So as not to get libeled by the media when a guy with a drum tried to march through them? Fuck that noise.

1/21/2019 12:13:01 AM

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Pence has been making increasingly weird comments recently, between his wife’s looney extremists church job, to saying trump is like MLKJr because he’s calling for a wall.

1/21/2019 12:15:07 AM

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Fuller Picture Emerges of the Tense Standoff Between Natives, Descendents of Their Colonizers, and Descendents of Slaves Brought by the Colonizers

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/20/us/nathan-phillips-covington.html

1/21/2019 1:42:30 AM

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Read this if you don't have time to watch a 105 min video:

https://edition-m.cnn.com/2019/01/21/us/maga-hat-teens-native-american-second-video/index.html

1/21/2019 9:28:55 AM

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From what I gather, the Black Israelites are the assholes in this scenario.

1/21/2019 9:53:46 AM

dtownral
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they were definitely trying to be provocative, and the high school kids handled it like idiot high school kids (basically how you'd expect high school kids with MAGA hats who were protesting against women's rights to act), and the people marching for indigenous rights may have been trying to break things up

my question is where were the chaperons for the high school group? they're the ones who really dropped the ball IMO

i view it similarly to that situation where the high school ref made the kid cut off his dreads at a wrestling match. everyone was mad at the ref (which was warranted) but i think it was the coaches and other parents present who really let the student down

[Edited on January 21, 2019 at 9:58 AM. Reason : .]

1/21/2019 9:56:58 AM

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The kid's statement.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/20/us/covington-kentucky-student-statement/index.html

1/21/2019 10:32:45 AM

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I agree that the parents and teachers are at fault, but that kid is also entirely full of shit. Wearing a MAGA hat signifies white supremacy, there's no way around this. Fuck him and his racist family.

1/21/2019 11:00:51 AM

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"From what I gather, the Black Israelites are the assholes in this scenario."

And also, don't forget about the MSM who ran with the narrative before doing any actual fact checking or research into the story. And let's throw in the racist internet mob who tried to dox this kid, but identified the wrong person and fucked with him and his family instead. All of these people are definitively the assholes in this situation.

1/21/2019 12:32:41 PM

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What was factually incorrect about the initial narrative? I watched the extended video, and I didn't see where the initial narrative was disputed.

1/21/2019 12:35:43 PM

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It didn't mention that there were right-wing black people yelling at the right-wing white people before the Native American guy stepped in to try to diffuse the situation.

The kids were absolutely mocking him. But, on cue, the TWW white supremacist defense squad has showed up to defend them.

[Edited on January 21, 2019 at 12:44 PM. Reason : .]

1/21/2019 12:43:05 PM

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i posted that the narrative was incorrect, am i a white supremacist defense squad?

1/21/2019 12:57:36 PM

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No, that would be aaroburro, HCH, and rjrumfel. You’re just an enabler in this case and you're giving the MAGA kids too much lenience.

[Edited on January 21, 2019 at 1:10 PM. Reason : .]

1/21/2019 1:03:14 PM

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Could you elaborate on how it was incorrect? Did the initial narrative describe the students as approaching the indigenous protesters? I know that it described the students as encircling the indigenous protesters, which appears to have been accurate.

I agree with your interpretation of the events:

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"they were definitely trying to be provocative, and the high school kids handled it like idiot high school kids (basically how you'd expect high school kids with MAGA hats who were protesting against women's rights to act), and the people marching for indigenous rights may have been trying to break things up"


Some commentary that I've read would have us believe that the indigenous protesters instigated the conflict and that the students were innocent of any misbehavior.

[Edited on January 21, 2019 at 1:09 PM. Reason : ]

1/21/2019 1:03:34 PM

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