synapse play so hard 60935 Posts user info edit post |
Which is the larger problem in the current US political system, gerrymandering or the way campaigns are financed? 6/26/2014 10:36:04 AM |
wdprice3 BinaryBuffonary 45912 Posts user info edit post |
yes 6/26/2014 10:46:23 AM |
Smath74 All American 93278 Posts user info edit post |
taxes. 6/26/2014 11:19:14 AM |
synapse play so hard 60935 Posts user info edit post |
^^ pick one! 6/26/2014 11:20:16 AM |
dtownral Suspended 26632 Posts user info edit post |
^^ taxes being too low is definitely a huge problem
i think gerrymandering, or more precisely noncompetitive districts, are a bigger problem than the way campaigns are financed. gerrymandering is only part of the problem though, i think the bigger problem is the size of the House of Representatives. T
The last time the House increased its size was in 1910, it is terribly past due for another increase. Increasing the size of the house will break up gerrymandered and noncompetitive districts and may even challenge the two party system. 6/26/2014 11:26:22 AM |
wdprice3 BinaryBuffonary 45912 Posts user info edit post |
LMFTFY: taxes being too low [on the truly rich]
^^pick one?!?!!?!??!!??! jerry's meandering. 6/26/2014 12:10:50 PM |
LoneSnark All American 12317 Posts user info edit post |
Excessive power of government. If government were smaller, people would throw less corrupting money at government. 6/26/2014 2:56:11 PM |
synapse play so hard 60935 Posts user info edit post |
that's not in the list. 6/26/2014 4:15:13 PM |
Kurtis636 All American 14984 Posts user info edit post |
Of the two gerrymandering is the much bigger problem and has been a big driver in the rise of increasingly partisan politics and lack of compromise. It's also about as likely to be fixed since the lunatics run the asylum in all but a handful of states.
Don't get me wrong, I like when congress sits on their hands, they do less damage that way, but it would be nice if they could occasionally get off their talking points and actually solve a problem or too, especially since they're usually the ones that created the problem in the first place. 6/26/2014 4:30:17 PM |
Pupils DiL8t All American 4960 Posts user info edit post |
If I could include lobbying with campaign finance, I would go with that. 6/26/2014 4:40:46 PM |
aaronburro Sup, B 53062 Posts user info edit post |
6/26/2014 8:13:49 PM |
Kurtis636 All American 14984 Posts user info edit post |
D'oh! 6/26/2014 9:11:43 PM |
Smath74 All American 93278 Posts user info edit post |
to answer the original question, Gerrymandering has to be one of the most corrupt things. All parties are guilty of it and I don't see how it's constitutional.
and NC is probably one of the most gerrymandered states out there.
[Edited on June 27, 2014 at 12:42 AM. Reason : ] 6/27/2014 12:41:25 AM |
synapse play so hard 60935 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "to answer the original question, Gerrymandering has to be one of the most corrupt things" |
Without declaring one more corrupt than the other you haven't answered the original question.
Quote : | "All parties are guilty of it " |
Obviously. [more like both though...how many parties do you think are involved in gerrymandering?]
Quote : | "I don't see how it's constitutional." |
How is it not?
Quote : | "NC is probably one of the most gerrymandered states out there. " |
That's like saying the Alabama KKK chapter is one of the most racist KKK chapters out there.]6/27/2014 1:33:47 AM |
Smath74 All American 93278 Posts user info edit post |
http://www.propublica.org/article/is-partisan-gerrymandering-unconstitutional (first google result) it's clearly been under a lot of constitutional scrutiny, even if the decisions by the supreme court have been ambiguous and/or ineffective.
[Edited on June 27, 2014 at 4:09 AM. Reason : ] 6/27/2014 4:08:10 AM |
RedGuard All American 5596 Posts user info edit post |
Gerrymandering. 6/27/2014 11:04:05 AM |
kiljadn All American 44690 Posts user info edit post |
Campaign finance drives the gerrymandering. Hence, campaign finance is the root cause and is more of a problem.
[Edited on June 29, 2014 at 9:59 PM. Reason : .] 6/29/2014 9:57:58 PM |
synapse play so hard 60935 Posts user info edit post |
^ How so, on the former?
[Edited on July 2, 2014 at 10:18 PM. Reason : I agree with your conclusion though] 7/2/2014 10:18:17 PM |
Flyin Ryan All American 8224 Posts user info edit post |
Gerrymandering. Campaign finance is an issue but you'll never be able to put individuals in positions of power and get rid of other people trying to access that power and garner influence from that person's power to their benefit. It's true in democracies, it's true in dictatorships. It was true 500 years ago, it's true now, it'll be true 500 years from now.
If we had political districts that weren't drawn in a weird fashion to ensure only one party could win, how many extremist members of Congress from the left and right would be eliminated? I have no issue with districts that are drawn with one side in a majority that they can't lose but are geographically defensible. (Political district maps should be similar to area code/zip code maps.)
[Edited on July 3, 2014 at 3:35 PM. Reason : .] 7/3/2014 3:30:59 PM |