Hey TWW,

For anybody following my thread in chit chat, then y'all should know that I've been slowly putting together songs for an album over the last 8 months, and I have finally finished them, mixed them, and ordered them as best as I could for what I am calling my debut album...

Yes, no record deals or anything and most of it was put together in a closet, but please feel free to give it a listen if you like country/folk and bluegrass, the banjo, or just music in general.

Don't be shy to give any comments or feedback.

Thanks!

https://myvitruvianman.bandcamp.com/releases

12/16/2014 3:25:44 PM

iop1

12/16/2014 3:27:13 PM

Buy an ad hippie!

12/16/2014 3:43:28 PM

"Cooler than Paul Rudd" doesn't quite ring like "Cool as Kim Deal."

12/16/2014 9:04:44 PM

Congrats, mane.

12/16/2014 9:19:10 PM

Thanks for the support guys. This ended up being a pretty decent activity for the year, and it is kind of a highlight actually considering how other things have gone.

I might have found a place here in Germany to play every once in a while, so, it is good to have this stuff up just in case people ask. Other than that, what are some things people due these days to get their music out? Is it literally just calling up Studios or radios and sending them demo tapes?

One thing that I have shamefully done a couple times is to check out some of my favorite country/folk bands (guys like Justin Townes Earle and the Devil Makes Three) here in Germany because the crowds are typically smaller, as that sound is not so developed here yet. I usually approach them, tell them that they were an inspiration and mention my stuff to them. I am sure that they get this at least five times a show, but, I don't know what else to do at the moment.

[Edited on December 17, 2014 at 6:28 AM. Reason : f]

12/17/2014 6:27:56 AM

You should start busking in Germany.

12/17/2014 9:30:31 AM

two words:

SEX

TAPE

12/17/2014 11:10:53 AM

Totally missed opportunity on

BanjoMan's is first album.

12/17/2014 11:30:40 AM

^^ and ^ lol. Although, I thought that Cooler than Paul Rudd would be a little catchy.

So, has anybody like listened to anything yet? Or, have y'all just been staring at my awesome beard?

12/17/2014 11:45:14 AM

yesterday I listened to the first half. i'm no technician of stringed instruments, so my opinion is by no means professional.

I think the instrumentals are good. there seem to be a few areas that could be more refined, but all in all, instrumentals seem to be pretty good. B

lyrics and subject matter are always subjective, no matter who wrote it. but i think your songwriting is good enough. B

production seems alright. C+

vocal quality is rough though. tone, pacing, etc. needs major work. D-

12/17/2014 3:26:58 PM

Thanks man. nice little break down.

Ppl can say whatever they want about production and singing, because I know how it is compared to others. But the writing I would've at least given an A-. I listen to a bunch of music, all day long to just everything that I can find in this genre. And I only get truly moved by writing once every month or so.

Thanks again for the feedback and listening. That is more than I could have hoped for.

[Edited on December 17, 2014 at 3:48 PM. Reason : T]

12/17/2014 3:47:20 PM

On second thought, it is even cooler that people such as yourself have listened to a good chunk of it. It can be very difficult to get people to listen to just 30 seconds of a new song or from somebody that is not relatively known. So, thanks TWW.

Having a reputation is a must.

12/18/2014 9:48:22 AM

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"Totally missed opportunity on BanjoMan's is first album."

ahahaha after all these years Tdub still brings the lulz.

12/18/2014 9:51:17 AM

Tdub brings the lulz and good music.

12/18/2014 11:14:36 AM

Not gonna lie, but today I walked in on somebody totally jamming out to Meet me in Hamburg.

epic cool story bro

also, I really like the statistics software on Bandcamp much better than soundcloud, because Bandcamp tells me how many people either visit, skip or just check out a song. By their statistics, people tend to listen to Marching Band all the way through but only partially listen to To be in a Bluegrass Band.

I think that's cool.

[Edited on December 18, 2014 at 2:24 PM. Reason : s]

12/18/2014 2:20:58 PM

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"Is it literally just calling up Studios or radios and sending them demo tapes? "

Most labels do not take unsolicited submissions (they won't even open them), and other than a local station, no one is going to listen to an unsolicited demo. You may have some luck sending CDs/digital press kits to local journalists and getting a little traction, but know that even a local journalist with some profile gets dozens of CDs every week, and most never get listened to.

12/18/2014 6:26:37 PM

as a pet project I enjoyed it. how long have you been playing the Banjo?

12/18/2014 7:29:06 PM

http://youtu.be/qS_LwObwXAs?t=19s

12/18/2014 11:40:15 PM

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"as a pet project I enjoyed it. how long have you been playing the Banjo?"

Thanks man! Any songs in particular that you like... or should otherwise be deleted?

I started playing Scruggs style a long time ago, and did a bunch of jamming around and casual stuff with friends, but that style is featured on only two songs on the album. For the other songs (like Meet me in Hamburg and Marching Band), I sort of "developed" a version of picking similar to travis picking and claw hammer, but it is not technically clawhammer. It is the main experimental part of this album, because most people don't play the banjo in that way.

12/19/2014 6:03:58 AM

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" Most labels do not take unsolicited submissions (they won't even open them), and other than a local station, no one is going to listen to an unsolicited demo. You may have some luck sending CDs/digital press kits to local journalists and getting a little traction, but know that even a local journalist with some profile gets dozens of CDs every week, and most never get listened to. "

Interesting. So, let's say that I find a non-major label that has people on it in a similar genre. Are you saying that it would be a waste of time to send them this link, or a different assortment of 3 demo songs?

I don't know too much about how the industry finds talent and puts them on a label, but I have read that some companies will go through demo tapes and listen to the first 30 secs or so, at which point they either toss it or put it in a different pile. Is this true, or are you saying that you have to go through the channels where you have some sort of credible representation?

12/20/2014 7:57:44 AM

This thread makes me want to learn an instrument. Good job.

12/20/2014 9:43:39 AM

Great man, full speed ahead on that. One interesting comment that I would always hear from pediatricians is their take on children and music. Typically, per my son's doc, every kid takes an interest in music during their early development that usually dissipates as children progress through adolescence towards being an adult. The problem isn't that as kids get older they lose this talent, but that they are generally pushed away from this natural tendency by their parents to take up either sports or solid income earning jobs. So music in general, in their opinion, is sort of pushed out of a kids interest as they are pushed towards other activities.

Also, if I had to do it all over again I would still take up the banjo, but I would also take up an interest in the piano.

[Edited on December 20, 2014 at 12:05 PM. Reason : x]

12/20/2014 12:04:57 PM

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"Interesting. So, let's say that I find a non-major label that has people on it in a similar genre. Are you saying that it would be a waste of time to send them this link, or a different assortment of 3 demo songs?"

Not saying it's a waste, just don't expect much in return. There are a few labels that I know of who will listen to things, but the vast majority don't even open them. Venues get unsolicited music all the time; most just get tossed unless the copy is particularly bad, in which case it gets laughed at and then tossed.

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"I don't know too much about how the industry finds talent and puts them on a label, but I have read that some companies will go through demo tapes and listen to the first 30 secs or so, at which point they either toss it or put it in a different pile. Is this true, or are you saying that you have to go through the channels where you have some sort of credible representation?"

It can be true, but it's very rare. Most people get financial backing by hustling. Even the most talented people in the world may spend years playing out every night and cobbling together homemade releases until they catch the right ear. Sharon Jones is an incredible singer and performer, and it took her 25 years to get an LP released commercially.

The old adage is that if you don't have someone offering to put it out, it's not worth putting out. The catch, of course, is that someone has to listen to it to make an offer, but that's where the hustle comes in.

Especially in this genre, there are scads of people who have truly remarkable vocal and instrumental talent, and you're not one of them. That's not intended as a dig; you clearly enjoy making this music and that's all that really matters. I do think your energy would be better spent sharing this music with regular people who might enjoy it and on improving your craft rather than trying to get it into the hands of someone who will likely dismiss it.

12/20/2014 3:09:45 PM

dude, I think that you are addressing that statement like I am trying to turn into Shakey Graves overnight. That is not the case. I love what I do, and I like how my songwriting has allowed me to compartmentalize things that I have experienced in a way that is permanent and lasting. Also, I like that writing songs and singing has kept me playing the banjo more regularly than I ever have before.

Yes, I know what the singing is like, of course, but do I think that it is unbearable? No. Do I think that it is Dave Lamb from Brown Bird? No. Honestly, I could not carry a tune in a bucket before I started writing songs, but you generally ain't gonna find people that will sing your stuff in the beginning, so I started listening to music and finding something that fit. I came across Justin Townes Earle and Pete Bernhard, and just practiced singing all of their songs because I thought that their range was close enough to mine. Obviously, I have never had any formal training in my life when it comes to singing. I would like to do that soon, but I think that I have practiced enough to where it is bearable, although I am still conscience of where it is. That is my next goal, as I spent a lot of time on just the banjo the last 10 months or so.

The bottom line is that I really enjoy writing and playing, and the singing is just something that I have to do to make the two come together. But when I play, people tend to listen and get really into it. That is a perfect secondary benefit in my mind.

What did you think about it?

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"there are scads of people who have truly remarkable vocal and instrumental talent"

you write this, but then people like William Elliot Whitmore and Scott Avett become incredibly famous for doing nothing more than standard strumming and picking routines on the banjo. Yes, I know that I picked two great singers, but songwriting goes a very long way. Townes van Zandt was self-admittedly not a great singer, but people still loved his voice. Not saying that you are wrong, just saying that there is always room in folk and country for not-so-perfect singing.

Todd Snider is another great example. He can sing now, but he got famous off of three chords and really good songs. Not singing. His voice actually still annoys me.


[Edited on December 20, 2014 at 4:25 PM. Reason : as ]

12/20/2014 4:03:03 PM

All of that is great. You asked if you should send this stuff to labels and radio stations, and I think the answer to that question, for the moment, is no. I was simply trying to illuminate why I said that, so you wouldn't think I was blindly hating.

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"you write this, but then people like William Elliot Whitmore and Scott Avett become incredibly famous for doing nothing more than standard strumming and picking routines on the banjo."

True. But those dude have also busted their asses for 15+ years to get where they are.

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"Townes van Zandt was self-admittedly not a great singer, but people still loved his voice. Not saying that you are wrong, just saying that there is always room in folk and country for not-so-perfect singing. "

Townes is also one of the greatest songwriters who ever lived. Like Dylan or Willie or any other genius with an atypical voice, aesthetics don't matter if you're a world-beating writer.

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"What did you think about it?"

I'll preface this by saying I sampled a half dozen of the songs and listened to a couple entirely, but not all of them.

I thought the playing was fine but could be tighter for something that you're releasing. I think the writing is okay, but nothing really stood out to me. Mostly, the vocal distracts from everything. You've often chosen melodies you can't sing. I understand that you are not a trained singer and it doesn't need to be perfect, but there are songs on this released product where you miss nearly every note. I think a shorter release where all the songs and performances are strong is preferable to an "album-length" piece that has work that is beneath what you can accomplish.

I think you should write more, sing more, and especially play out as much as possible.

12/20/2014 5:01:50 PM

it sounds to me like you heard singing that was not Nashville studio quality and made up your mind. But, that is just my opinion.

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"I'll preface this by saying I sampled a half dozen of the songs and listened to a couple entirely, but not all of them."

Thanks for the feedback. You have listed some things that I have sort of been hearing from others lately. I finally found a place to play regularly, so we will see how response and such goes from there. It would also be great if you could reference the songs that went through and listened. Thanks again.

Oh and Moldy Peaches. Is that about the most unpolished sound that you have heard that made it onto something credible?


[Edited on December 20, 2014 at 5:28 PM. Reason : as ]

12/20/2014 5:18:31 PM

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"Oh and Moldy Peaches. Is that about the most unpolished sound that you have heard that made it onto something credible?"

Nah. There's plenty of stuff that's far superior to the Moldy Peaches and even more lo-fi. If you can find a prettier song recorded on a boombox, let me know: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFvonufcz8A

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"It would also be great if you could reference the songs that went through and listened. Thanks again."

The songs where you stay down in your range, like "Marching Band," are okay. "To Be in a Bluegrass Band" is one where you miss basically every note. It should not be on a release. "Lean On Guy" is okay pitch-wise, but the rhythm on the vocal is off-tempo for almost the entire song.

I don't think these are bad songs, but a lot of the performances sound like first takes you never went back and improved.

12/20/2014 5:56:21 PM

Dude, you are getting really defensive after posting your work on a snarky message board and asking for comments, most of which have been relatively benign. Either that or you are just wanting to keep this thread on top by constantly responding.

What is your goal with this release? You talk about sending it to labels, but why? What are they going to do for you that you can't do for yourself right now from getting out there and playing, self-promoting, etc.? As vinylbandit said, this has some pretty rough edges and doesn't seem ready enough to be released as something other than a demo. Especially if you're going to start playing out more, why not give away the music for free and try to grow somewhat of a following in your area while honing your craft?

What you consider to be the song with your best writing? Of the tracks I listened to, the songwriting seemed fair but nothing outstanding, yet that's what you keep pointing to as your strength so perhaps I'm missing out on some gems. I listen to plenty of acts with "unpolished" vocals so that doesn't necessarily turn me off, but most have voices with more personality/character and stronger songwriting. Like [user]vinyl[/user] implied, big difference between what you're doing right now and what someone like Townes, Willie, or Dylan have done.

Like others have said, don't take this as hate but as (hopefully) constructive criticism. You obviously like what you've done, which is great, and I know it's exciting to have your first release under your belt, but that doesn't necessarily mean you're ready to take this beyond the hobby level quite yet. Also, always remember there's going to be some feedback that you perceive as negative no matter how good you get. It's just how it goes when you ask people with a variety of tastes to comment on your music.

12/20/2014 6:00:08 PM

maybe by saying more words it came off as offensive? I dunno, I thanked him for his help and got some good feedback, and explained that nothing "critical" that he said was not something that I had not heard before or was shocking.

I only got into a conservation about singing because it is kind of a pet peeve of mind. People have been saturated by pitch-corrected and pitch-perfected sounds on the radio that they suddenly feel that it is the new standard. Not directing that towards vinyl and what he was saying, but a lot of heavy hitters have rough edges when it comes to singing. Even guys like Chris Thile sound incredibly pitchy live, but it all gets corrected in the studio and then people that don't know any better think that they are perfect.

Regarding what vinyl was saying about the album editing: Playing music live and getting gigs is complicated. Not having this published online is often times a catch because on some level image and social media matters a bunch. And I would like to play more because I enjoy it, and others tend to like it, too. Which brings me to his point on To be in a Bluegrass Band, other people that I played that for, especially in Austin, said that it was their favorite song despite the range. So, I just left it on and positioned it in a way that people would understand.

Plus, as mentioned already in this thread, song writing is incredibly subjective. So, I don't know if I could convince you otherwise if things were so far "meh" to you. And that's fine. But in terms of writing, I thought that Meet me in Hamburg, Thank God for the Train, Lean on Guy, Bleed before Demise, and Marching Band were some of my favs. You have to consider or at least hear that those songs are not typical of a standard G Maj progression, and that was something in terms of tone that I was trying to experiment with. Can't get to Bonnaroo, Cooler than Paul Rudd, and blossomed flower are sort of fun songs, but not meant to generate thought.

der KugelWaechter is just a good blues song, and I personally think that the Banjo shines the best on that one.

And no, just because I mentioned Townes van Zandt, it does not mean that I think that i am some songwriting genius. I just thought that it was an example that people could relate to.

My favorite songwriter for the record is hands down Pete Bernhard from DM3. Graveyard and Do Wrong Right are some of the best-written songs of this generation.



[Edited on December 20, 2014 at 6:47 PM. Reason : kd]

12/20/2014 6:21:22 PM

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"People have been saturated by pitch-corrected and pitch-perfected sounds on the radio that they suddenly feel that it is the new standard. Not directing that towards vinyl and what he was saying, but a lot of heavy hitters have rough edges when it comes to singing."

There are significant differences between squeezy "car horn" pitch correction on shiny Nashville recordings, classic singers with characterful vocals, and missing all of your notes.

Your singing is the glaring weak point of your music. If that's not a big deal to you, that's fine, but when it's the thing everyone mentions, that should raise a flag. I can't sing for shit, so I'm not trying to pick on you, but your singing needs improvement or your vocal arrangements need to bend toward your voice if you want to advance as an artist.

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"Playing music live and getting gigs is complicated. Not having this published online is often times a catch because on some level image and social media matters a bunch."

All of this is true. But if I'm booking a spot on a show, go to your page, and hear that vocal, I'm not putting you on. The material you have available for the public should be your strongest. If you really like that song and think it speaks to people, I think you should work hard on having a better-performed version available.

12/20/2014 7:17:03 PM

welp, we know how vinyl feels about it. Any other takers?

12/21/2014 11:00:07 AM

Speaking of Brown Bird, I've got one million dollars for someone that can find me a copy of Salt For Salt on vinyl.

12/21/2014 12:57:58 PM

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"What you consider to be the song with your best writing? Of the tracks I listened to, the songwriting seemed fair but nothing outstanding"

So, how is Cooler than Paul Rudd not a great song? what about Do the Contra! or Meet me in Hamburg?

I mean, do you even like country music? What wold you prefer, some sappy Ryan Adams tune? (lol, I just like to make fun of Ryan Adams because he comes from Camp Lejeune).

Seriously though, I understand that at the first listen it is unpolished, but I did not have the funding for a studio and did it myself basically. Every songwriter thinks that their shit is the best, but come on man, most people are still writing emo love story shit in I IV V. At least this is different and creative, am I wrong?

12/27/2014 8:03:16 AM

different != good. and you're being pretty douchey to people who gave you more time/effort than they needed to

12/27/2014 10:47:18 AM

Why would you make fun of someone over where they're from? They have absolutely no control over that.

Ryan Adams has written some really awful songs, but he's also written a handful of the best country tunes of all time.

The issues people have with these recordings have nothing to do with not being able to use/afford a studio; some of the best records of all time were made at home (Springsteen's "Nebraska," Neutral Milk Hotel's "In the Aeroplane Over the Sea," Guided By Voices' "Bee Thousand," Beck's "Odelay," etc.). Your record SOUNDS just fine. It's the performances that are causing consternation, and those are fixed through practice before recording and persistence when tracking, not Neumann mics and UA plugins.

Being different and creative does not automatically lend merit to music, and music needn't be innovative to be good.

12/27/2014 10:58:53 AM

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"Your record SOUNDS just fine."

That is actually good to know. I did a lot of experimentation with reverb, echo, compression and bass compression, and if how I have mixed sounds decent then I will stick to this set up. It is actually quite complicated on a Mac, because it typically exports to itunes as an MP3 that you later have to compress to a .aif.

And, I will be more than happy to discuss my opinions on Ryan Adams with you at anytime. Most of that was just being cheeky.

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"different != good. and you're being pretty douchey to people"

douchey is not the word that I would use. I see what vinyl is saying, he has put thought into that, and I have thanked him for it (several times). I don't think that he would say otherwise. I mean, if I gave this to Antone's or Cat's Cradle as a demo for an opening country/folk act, I am sure that there would be somebody there saying the same things as him but prolly a little bit meaner, if they even listened to it at all.

But let's be clear, I am not going to send this directly to Antone's, and this is not my attempt at a Springstein or Justin Townes Earle or anything like that. I don't know how to explain it, but when you have an 8-8 day job and a kid, things like studio rehearsing and multiple takes are not so easy to come by. But you absolutely have to have them these days even if you want a spot at a fucking farmers market, or at a bar at 5 PM when nobody is there yet.

So, I know that if anything serious happens is to happen in terms of a paid gig, I may need to eventually re-record things, but I didn't want to just throw it away when it was a bitch of a side project. So, I just wanted something up to maybe build a little following around here in my tiney ass town that I live in. Also, I have gotten some pretty decent feedback from other musicians and suggestions in terms of what to do next. So, given those circumstances, that's how I think that it should be heard/viewed. If that makes since.


[Edited on December 27, 2014 at 12:57 PM. Reason : double post]

12/27/2014 12:53:27 PM

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"It is actually quite complicated on a Mac, because it typically exports to itunes as an MP3 that you later have to compress to a .aif."

These are easy settings to change. Nothing should ever default to an MP3 unless you want it to.

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"But let's be clear, I am not going to send this directly to Antone's, and this is not my attempt at a Springstein or Justin Townes Earle or anything like that."

But you're charging seven euro for it. If it's a demo, give it away. If it's a commercial release, even a digital one, it should be your best available work.

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"when you have an 8-8 day job and a kid, things like studio rehearsing and multiple takes are not so easy to come by"

This I just don't buy. Lots of working musicians have day jobs and kids and run companies and own farms. If you only have the time and energy to do two takes per night, is it not worth the extra week of recording to get your best performance?

12/27/2014 1:26:18 PM

hmm, interesting, I can look into that stuff. Pricing stuff I can change because I just went with the default setting for everything. I don't think that it will make a difference really. I stream everything on bandcamp and soundcloud these days and go to shows to give bands my money.

So, since I have a little bit of your interest still, do you think that at some point you might be able to take a look (under the guise of a demo release ) and tell me what you think are the three strongest tracks? That would also be very helpful feedback in terms of finding the three strongest songs to play for sets.

Gonna start playing again in January.

[Edited on December 27, 2014 at 2:00 PM. Reason : shit dp]

12/27/2014 1:58:44 PM

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"So, how is Cooler than Paul Rudd not a great song? what about Do the Contra! or Meet me in Hamburg? I mean, do you even like country music? What wold you prefer, some sappy Ryan Adams tune? (lol, I just like to make fun of Ryan Adams because he comes from Camp Lejeune)."

Again, quit being so damn defensive. I like and listen to plenty of music that falls on the country/folk/bluegrass spectrum, many of which are the artists I listen to most frequently. Sturgill Simpson, Hayes Carll, Futurebirds, Willie Nelson, Lucero, Shovels & Rope, The Backsliders, Gillian Welch, Johnny Cash, Roger Miller, Mandolin Orange, Tom T. Hall, Chatham County Line, Neil Young, Flatt & Scruggs, Carolina Chocolate Drops, and (yes) Ryan Adams/Whiskeytown made up a good chunk of my top 50 this year, according to last.fm, and I'm sure I missed some. I also attended the majority of the last two IBMA festivals in Raleigh and frequently get paid to write about acts that would be considered Americana, to some degree. This doesn't make me an expert or anything, but just because I don't think your stuff is outstanding doesn't mean I hate the genre.

Of the three songs you mentioned, Hamburg is the most interesting. I think the rhythmic strumming/picking pattern you used there is maybe just more appealing to me than the others, but lyrically, they just don't do much for me. I admit I like plenty of songs that have terrible and/or non-nonsensical lyrics, but they tend to have better vocals, harmonies, arrangements, and/or riffs than yours. Again, I don't think what you've done is necessarily bad, it just isn't particularly memorable, and like vinylbandit said, the delivery of could be much better (whether that involves you boiling it down to your strongest 4-5 tunes and honing those a little more or just doing more takes to get a version with fewer warts).

The part that's most confusing to me still is that you don't really seem to know what you want to do with any of this. Like we've both mentioned, give this away for free if you want to build a small local following. On one hand, you're acting like you're wanting to give this a shot as a somewhat serious endeavor, then on the other hand, you talk about how you just left everything as the defaults on your bandcamp account and didn't even consider things like pricing, how to export a song in the highest quality format, or rehearsing and doing multiple takes (and maybe taking an extra couple months to put together a release).

12/27/2014 4:14:48 PM

Thing number 1: I have to have stuff available that is more than just an iphone recording in order to find places to play. I am very serious about playing and trying to get some fans to get some momentum going. So, that is probably the number one goal (I guess?).

Thing number 2: Remember that scene in Hustle and Flow where the dude pimps out his chick just so he could afford a mic to make everything perfect? Well, I need some equipment like that, and I don't have a bitch that is gonna go turn a trick and bring it here for me. So, I will not have anything like that to record with for another 6 months at best, at which point I will have already written another 8 songs or so. And I am turning thirty this year (which is getting old for the music stuff), and don't really want to wait another 6 or 8 months. This brings me to point 3...

Thing number three: This is the best that I have at the moment, and I just want to squeeze every ounce of opportunity that I can out of it. So, getting good feedback from people in terms of what songs are strong, which ones need to be tossed, and which might need another take will all do me good in terms of how I "sell" this to people such as friends/fans or small dives. This is why I came to TWW and why I am not "offended" by harsh criticism, but a little bit of good with the bad would help me out.

12/27/2014 5:06:23 PM

YOU DON'T NEED MORE MICROPHONES

YOU NEED TO PRACTICE SINGING

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"And I am turning thirty this year (which is getting old for the music stuff)"

This is so totally wrong I don't even know what to say. It's wrong in general, but more importantly: YOU'RE PLAYING BLUEGRASS. THE MOST FAMOUS LIVING PRACTITIONER OF THIS GENRE IS 87 FUCKING YEARS OLD.

[Edited on December 27, 2014 at 10:11 PM. Reason : 3]

12/27/2014 10:08:17 PM

People being nice as fuck ITT. Very proud.

12/28/2014 1:43:20 AM

Really bad singing. I laughed when I read the venues you were listing. I've heard bar bands that were better. Has nothing to do with genre, recording, or vocal preferences. The singing is too bad to be defined by a 'style.'

However long you've been training you skills most certainly pales in comparison to the people playing the shows you are obviously imagining yourself playing in.

And it doesn't seem like you are willing to put in the work to get orders of magnitude better if you are already getting defensive over these bad tracks.

12/28/2014 3:35:51 AM

Except I clearly stated that this was not my intention. So, there's that...

I got some good feedback here, and for all that took the time to listen, I say THANKS BROs

see ya in another 6 months.

12/28/2014 6:03:52 AM

this thread reminds me of http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0109068/

12/28/2014 7:35:24 PM

just start playing some shows like this and I'm sure you'll get a reputation



[Edited on December 29, 2014 at 12:48 AM. Reason : f]

12/29/2014 12:47:59 AM