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2016 2017

For in-the-flesh pics at the NAIAS http://www.worldcarfans.com/115011287166/ford-gt-concept-breaks-cover-with-600-bhp-twin-turbo-v6/highphotos

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"Speaking of power, the supercar has a new mid-mounted twin-turbo V6 EcoBoost engine developing more than 600 bhp (447 kW) to the rear 20-inch wheels wrapped around in specifically designed Michelin Pilot Super Sport Cup 2 tires through a dual-clutch seven-speed transaxle transmission capable of providing "near-instantaneous gear changes.""















I can see Ferrari LaFerrari, Porsche 918, and Lambo Miura in it, but it doesn't matter... it looks amazing!

Bet it will kill all Ferraris, Porsches, and McLarens except for the LaFerrari, 918, and P1, just like the Z06 does. And it will probably give tough competition to said hypercars as well.

1/13/2015 11:08:01 PM

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Just what I was thinking...too much Ferrari/typical "Supercar" influence. I liked the previous version better even if some thought it was too retro.

Still a good-looking machine though.

1/13/2015 11:52:19 PM

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I don't like the rear one bit

I prefer the angled/cut-off look of the previous one

1/14/2015 6:30:43 PM

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you guys are crazy, that shit is hot fire

1/14/2015 6:39:37 PM

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This one going to have quick-random-release a arms, too?

1/14/2015 6:48:32 PM

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i loved the previous retro one, and this looks absolutely bad as hell, too.

[Edited on January 14, 2015 at 6:57 PM. Reason : V6 isn't really my thing...I-6, flat 6, V8, whatever else...but not that big of a deal.]

1/14/2015 6:56:46 PM

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In before blackjesus !


seriously tho the martini render is my fave.



But ultimately... I'd fuck the intercooler discharge ducts outta this thing... (hole in the tail lights)

1/14/2015 7:45:27 PM

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noice

1/14/2015 8:49:13 PM

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Yup, I love how the heat exchanger discharge vents are the middle of the taillights. Straight badass. Also the location of the exhaust pipes is locked down (to current location) for the production version.

Hate that it's a V6, but since it's the V6 used in the Tudor racing series I'm hoping it is a dedicated engine block design with the proper bank angle for balancing a V6 (and not the for sake of packaging in FWD sedans 60° BS).

1/15/2015 9:48:48 AM

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^^^I've been spending too much time trolling chit chat.





Leave it to Ford, to continue the push for small displacement, forced induction engines. Also, what justifies this car costing 250k?

http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/news/a24691/ferrari-engineers-dont-like-turbocharging/

[Edited on January 15, 2015 at 9:55 AM. Reason : I'm sick of this V6-V4 garbage, more cubes, less turbo. kthanx]

1/15/2015 9:53:47 AM

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ferrari engineers are whiney bitches and that article is filled with half truths.

also 60* v6 is ideal for a v6 teg...


think 360/6= 60 * 2 for a four stroke =120... so a piston should fire every 120 degrees meaning the block has to have a bank angle that is a multiple of 120... so... inline.. 60* v6 or 120* which would just be weird and useless.

just so you don't feel so ripped off about it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWW2Djg6rs0

it sounds fucking amazing....

I too would have preferred a tt-v8 but lets face it... the 5.2 would make 1000hp at 15 psi... ford is never going to release a 1000hp car... no matter how funny it would be to see dodge and chevy's face.

[Edited on January 15, 2015 at 10:24 AM. Reason : .]

1/15/2015 10:23:27 AM

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See what I did there.

1/15/2015 11:59:25 AM

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"ferrari engineers are whiney bitches and that article is filled with half truths.

also 60* v6 is ideal for a v6 teg... "


Put my foot in the mouth on that one then, lol. Also I read that article and didn't see much "whining" so I was a bit put off by the headline, though I can understand Ferrari engineers being pissed off about having turbocharging shoved down their throats. Citing emissions is just a cop out - it's not necessary.

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"it sounds fucking amazing...."


Did we watch the same video? Car sounds like shit.

[Edited on January 15, 2015 at 12:23 PM. Reason : ]

1/15/2015 12:21:18 PM

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sounds like any turbo ricer with no muffler, to me.

But, it was pleasant.

1/15/2015 12:34:17 PM

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"I love how the heat exchanger discharge vents are the middle of the taillights. Straight badass."


Agreed. Looks amazing.

1/15/2015 1:01:34 PM

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^^ not any turbo ricer... but a supra or some other six setup by someone who knows what they are doing.

1/15/2015 1:54:15 PM

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GT90 was sexier

1/16/2015 4:25:03 AM

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what the heck is a heat exchanger discharge vent?

there's nothing but exhaust gases discharged from a car...

1/16/2015 4:48:09 AM

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They're pushing air over the intercoolers and then ducting it out the middle of the fucking tailights. It's not complicated.

1/16/2015 5:54:55 AM

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I too was going to post the GT90 concept

1/16/2015 9:02:18 AM

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The only thing the GT90 has that's better than this car is it's quad turbo V12.

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"what the heck is a heat exchanger discharge vent?

there's nothing but exhaust gases discharged from a car..."


1/16/2015 9:05:00 AM

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IF the engine works... i don't care what it is...

honestly... i would have loved a twin turbo 5.2 but.. light weight and efficiency won.

I am glad it's not going hybrid and if the 6 is what it took to do that... then.. HELL YA! V6!!!

1/16/2015 9:20:20 AM

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oic.. you call intercoolers "heat exchangers"

Is that what you call radiators, heater cores, and a/c condensers in everyday vernacular as well?

1/17/2015 10:49:25 PM

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are you really doubling down on your post? dude, just say it was a brain fart or just pretend like you didn't make the post.

1/17/2015 10:57:03 PM

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And still doesn't fix "nothing but exhaust gas discharged from the car"

Also... Since I'm an hvac engineer uhh yeah I use heat exchanger a lot

1/17/2015 11:11:52 PM

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OK even if he had said "intercooler discharge vent" I would have been scratching my head. As far as I'm concerned, the discharge from an IC is the charge air, not the ambient air flowing across it.

Is "heat exchanger" a very specific item in the hvac world? Because you've got the a/c coils, the outside unit, boiler coils, furnaces, etc.

1/17/2015 11:48:41 PM

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I thought heat Exchanger was universally used for intercooler. Only ricers say intercooler

On my list of parts for my coming blower swap.

Heat Exchanger
Heat Exchanger pump

I assumed intercooler was air to air, and heat exchanger is air to water...Google says they are one and the same.

1/17/2015 11:55:40 PM

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why does it matter?

let it go
-- Elsa, Ice Princess

1/17/2015 11:59:11 PM

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^^a heat exchanger is anything where stuff flows inside some tubes taking on or losing the heat to the ambient gas/liquid

so:
radiators
intercoolers (all types)
oil coolers
trans coolers
heater cores
a/c condensers

your "heat exchanger" and "heat exchanger pump" could very well have been an upgraded radiator and water pump. I like how you have to use "air-to-water intercooler" so it's not so ambiguous

[Edited on January 18, 2015 at 12:07 AM. Reason : never let go]

1/18/2015 12:06:10 AM

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if you ducted air over any of those heat exchangers and then discharged them from from a vent in the taillights then it could still be a heat exchanger vent and your post would still be stupid. ford didn't invent this idea or this term, it's used on other sports cars and race cars too. hell, ford probably copied the corvette which has a heat exchanger (for the transmission and diff i think) that vents through the taillights and lower fascia

even if you had never heard the term before, you should have been able to immediately understand what it means and how dumb your post was. go away and go think about what you did.

[Edited on January 18, 2015 at 10:00 AM. Reason : .]

1/18/2015 9:59:24 AM

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https://www.google.com/webhp?q=%22heat+exchanger+discharge%22#q=%22heat+exchanger+discharge%22
oh look you fuckin' prick, not a single result about racing

https://www.google.com/webhp?q=%22heat+exchanger+discharge%22#q=%22heat+exchanger+discharge%22+racing
oh look a bunch of car results.. except they're all talking about the intake charge air



[Edited on January 18, 2015 at 10:13 AM. Reason : looks like google has never heard of the term either, fathom that]

1/18/2015 10:12:40 AM

sumfoo1
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you are putting in a lot of effort to not feel like a moron

1/18/2015 12:56:46 PM

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GM pioneered the heat exchanger exhaust dump, Ford stole it as usual.

Once its LS swapped it'll be a nitrous purge vent.

[Edited on January 18, 2015 at 1:17 PM. Reason : ,]

1/18/2015 1:16:38 PM

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lol seriously?

link?

err wait did they hire lotus again....

1/18/2015 1:17:40 PM

dtownral
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maybe he's talking about the vents in the corvette taillights

1/18/2015 4:23:12 PM

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why, it was no effort at all to Google some words

and

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"Is "heat exchanger" a very specific item in the hvac world? Because you've got the a/c coils, the outside unit, boiler coils, furnaces, etc."

1/18/2015 4:48:16 PM

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Yeah it is when I define the material it's constructed of, the size of the tubes, the number of rows, the density of the fill etc etc...

Next question?

1/18/2015 5:18:38 PM

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It will sell for $400k.

Didnt the last one sell for 150k?

How do you just go from 150 to 400?

Ok, so would you get this or the Aventador, if you had 400k in spare change?

3/6/2015 11:16:42 PM

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^ In a way, this car is going to be more exclusive, even if the production numbers end up higher (not sure about that). This could be the last time Ford ever makes a GT. Sure, people said that last time. Who knows in 10 years if there will be any interest in such a car.

There will always be a Lambo around to buy.

3/6/2015 11:26:37 PM

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Ford said production will be capped at 250 annually, but did not specify how many years they will make it for. Iam guessing 5 years.

3/7/2015 12:12:33 AM

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http://www.motor1.com/news/133473/ford-gt-digital-dashboard-video/

Wow, what a digital display

Watch the video!!!

1/12/2017 2:18:56 PM

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"Ok, so would you get this or the Aventador, if you had 400k in spare change?"


Aventador SV.

Honestly at that point I'd have to drive both but for $400k of my money it's V12 >>> V6

1/12/2017 4:40:51 PM

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And raging bull over blue oval.

...because in that class, it would be about more than lap times. I'd have a less expensive formula car or prototype or sports racer or something just to go let it rip on track.

1/12/2017 9:23:45 PM

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Ford finally releases some stats:

http://www.motor1.com/news/134388/2017-ford-gt-specs-revealed

3.5 litre V6
647 hp
550 lb-ft
3,054 lbs dry
216 mph top speed
Price still not released (but started production last month), but expected to start at ~$450K

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"Ford is proud to say the 2017 GT has managed to perform a lap of the track at Calabogie Motorsports Park in Canada in 2:09.8, making it faster than a McLaren 675LT (2:10.8) and a Ferrari 458 Speciale (2:12.9)."


That's quite impressive... it will play with the big boys! (at a crazy price, though; even the 675LT is cheaper)

They received 6,500+ applications even though only a 1,000 will be made over four years.

The optional wheels made entirely from carbon fiber are cool:
http://www.motor1.com/news/62820/2017-ford-gt-carbon-fiber-wheels-save-2-pounds-each

The ordering kit is super cool and comes in a box made from carbon fiber:
http://www.motor1.com/news/132923/ford-gt-ordering-kit

1/25/2017 10:18:32 PM

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"That's quite impressive... it will play with the big boys! (at a crazy price, though; even the 675LT is cheaper)"


How is this quite impressive? It's considerably more expensive than the McLaren, and the Ferrari 458 Speciale has been out of production for 2 years. They probably didn't compare it to the 488 GTB because it wasn't fast enough.

Honestly I thought it would be lighter. For the cost of this car I was expecting the dry weight to be the actual real weight. And an engine redline of 7000 rpm?

Someone explain to me why Ford's best sports car engine is in a Mustang and not this car...

1/27/2017 11:25:57 AM

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"It's considerably more expensive than the McLaren"


McLaren's aren't real cars though. I mean they are, but McLaren is barely an auto manufacturer. They're an engineering services firm with some low volume manufacturing, like Lotus.

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"Honestly I thought it would be lighter."


crash standards keep getting stricter, and people want some basic interior comfort. It's not a 70s Countach.

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"Someone explain to me why Ford's best sports car engine is in a Mustang and not this car..."


I think a lot of it is marketing the Ecoboost nameplate.

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"And an engine redline of 7000 rpm?"


With single stage turbos, you can only make the torque curve so wide. They probably wanted to still make torque under 2000rpm. Also, you can reduce friction if you don' t have to make the valvetrain sustain such high rpms.

Most of these "downsized" turbo engines fall on their face after about 5500rpm.

1/27/2017 12:01:49 PM

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^True but doesn't don't the turbos on the 488 GTB work pretty well all the way up to 8000 rpm?

As to weight, you would think that a company with the engineering might of Ford could come up with a lighter car than McLaren. It's not like this car shares anything with "normal" cars. For $100k+ than a McLaren that's not really an unreasonable assumption.

1/27/2017 12:50:28 PM

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https://youtu.be/tfZ8UMjuIeI

Hot lap this thing down the road and you'll be like "what GT?"

1/27/2017 8:37:10 PM

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Maybe the 488 has a larger turbine housing (bad for low end torque). Maybe it has a longer duration exhaust cam (early exhaust valve blowdown pulse to reduce backpressure) which hurts fuel economy.

The other thing to keep in mind is that these programs actually are kind of low budget skunkworks stuff believe it or not. The low volume programs don't get any resources from the supplier network. I worked on one luxury application (think M3 or 7 series price bracket) with maybe 10k units a year projected and only 1 supplier of turbos would work with us, basically doing a favor due to all the other business for this OEM. We were very limited on number of prototype parts because they were really expensive unusual designs and we couldn't just churn through 5 sets of 50 thousand dollar turbos with different designs, we had to rely mostly on some simulation bullshit. Meanwhile another program I worked on had millions of units projected and suppliers were falling all over themselves trying to get the business.

Committing manpower to something that sells a few hundred units a year is a hard business case. And nobody wants to build special tooling, so you can't change much on the base engine. I bet the Ford engineers were highly constrained on what they could do to make that engine for the GT. Meanwhile a Ferrari is going to carry that engine family into other programs, so it's probably thousands of units at least, which is still not much but an order of magnitude more than what's essentially a PR move by Ford.

For the Ford, the base engine design is from a high volume pickup truck engine. For a Ferrari, the base engine is a Ferrari engine (duh).

[Edited on January 28, 2017 at 7:48 PM. Reason : $Texas]

1/28/2017 7:45:17 PM

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The interior was designed by an NCSU alum.

1/29/2017 11:15:33 AM

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