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"Video of the incident obtained by Denver7 shows a man alleged to be the FBI agent dancing while surrounded by onlookers and then executing a backflip. During the flip, the gun appears to fly out of the man’s holster. The man in the video jumps to pick up the firearm and appears to fire the gun in the process. The man puts the gun back away in the back of his pants and holds up his hands as onlookers appear shocked and scared.""


yeah that is what appears to happen but honestly who’s to say really.

6/3/2018 1:14:06 PM

PaulISdead
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fake news

6/3/2018 1:26:36 PM

HaLo
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Every gun owner is a responsible gun owner until they aren’t

6/3/2018 9:49:23 PM

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Every human is a human until they aren't.

6/3/2018 10:03:29 PM

thegoodlife3
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https://pitchfork.com/news/avett-brothers-cancel-show-after-man-with-gun-enters-venue/

way to ruin a night for everyone, dick

7/8/2018 3:40:30 PM

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https://www.apnews.com/c3f72d5106194614abf2fc5a403842a1/FBI-agent-charged-in-shooting-while-dancing-gets-gun-back

7/11/2018 9:38:39 AM

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https://www.newsweek.com/stand-your-ground-law-protects-shooter-fatal-fight-over-handicapped-parking-1035850?amp=1

Apparently being pushed to the ground equals reasonable fear for your life. So fucked up.

[Edited on July 21, 2018 at 5:50 PM. Reason : $$$]

7/21/2018 5:49:13 PM

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Good thing be had a gun on him

7/21/2018 5:52:37 PM

eleusis
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that "push to the ground" was hard enough to break ribs for some people, and he kept advancing on the guy after he knocked him down. Whine all you want, but that was a justified shooting.

7/21/2018 6:11:03 PM

Money_Jones
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Bull shit. He pushed him and took maybe 2 steps forward as a continuation of his momentum. The dude that got shoved instigates confrontation with a woman, then commits murder when a guy he wasn’t expecting responds. I don’t think it is reasonable to think that your life is in danger even if you are violently shoved and break a rib. As the Youngbloodz would say, don't start no shit wouldn't be no shit. It’s perfectly fine for George Zimmerman to shoot a kid in a fight because “he feared for his life,” but what about the young kid that was being stalked by an adult with a gun and may have feared for his life? He was the one that should have had a legit fear of being murdered. If you’re going to provoke a conflict, be prepared to take a beating, doesn’t mean you’re going to die, and doesn’t give you the right to kill


[edit]Yeah this post is all over the place and sort of drunk rambling that I may cringe at later, but fuck that shit, shooting was in no way justified[/edit]

[Edited on July 21, 2018 at 7:25 PM. Reason : $$$]

7/21/2018 7:17:51 PM

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^ you sound like a fucking sociopath. Guy A started the confrontation with Guy B's wife, Guy A get's shoved (hard enough to break a rib if he's 90 years old ) and while Guy B is backing up, A pulls a gun and shoots. How scared for your life can you be when a guy is backing away from you? This is fucking ridiculous, you could essentially murder anyone if you annoy them to the point of pushing you first. What the fuck.

7/21/2018 7:18:00 PM

Money_Jones
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^he meant to add another ^

It is absolutely asanine to think that just because someone (even violently) shoves you, that your life is in danger.

7/21/2018 7:32:08 PM

eleusis
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guy shoves you to the ground and then pulls his pants up to start kicking the shit out of you on the ground? Yes, your life is in danger.

[Edited on July 21, 2018 at 11:56 PM. Reason : ^^^there is no momentum whatsoever as you shove someone that hard.]

7/21/2018 11:55:26 PM

TreeTwista10
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it was totally necessary to talk shit to a stranger for being in a handicapped space

7/22/2018 12:29:01 AM

Money_Jones
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^^he seems to pull his shorts up because they were falling down from his hips, people wear baggy shorts they have to hike up constantly. There are plenty of possibilities that could have put the guys life in danger, but i don’t think it is reasonable to assume any of those possibilities were about to happen. You can clearly see the guy backing away when the guy on the ground just starts reaching for the gun, way before he even gets it pointed at him

7/22/2018 7:31:52 AM

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"guy shoves you to the ground and then pulls his pants up to start kicking the shit out of you on the ground? Yes, your life is in danger."


7/22/2018 10:15:26 AM

eleusis
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it's not clear he's backing away. he turns his body and still has his hands at his waist.

7/22/2018 10:20:42 AM

Money_Jones
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After he hikes his shorts up, his arms are straight down at his side, and he clearly backs up

This video shows even more


[Edited on July 22, 2018 at 11:03 AM. Reason : $$$]

7/22/2018 10:40:13 AM

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It amazes me that eleusis can only understand the shooter feeling threatened.

7/22/2018 11:39:56 AM

justinh524
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Yeah, Florida's law is terrible. This guy deserves to be punished. He straight up murdered him.

7/22/2018 11:45:40 AM

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These cowards start fights bc they know they have the trump card

7/22/2018 12:10:12 PM

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[Edited on July 22, 2018 at 12:21 PM. Reason : Hh]

7/22/2018 12:19:33 PM

eleusis
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^^he didn't start the fight though.

7/22/2018 3:51:57 PM

justinh524
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Yeah, he did.

7/22/2018 3:58:30 PM

rwoody
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When someone comes out and sees a man cussing out their wife and small son, you are frequently going to get an aggressive reaction. He was protecting his family.

These fucks pretend to be cops but have even worse situational awareness so they get themselves in a bad situation then murder somebody

7/22/2018 4:00:25 PM

justinh524
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You got a problem with somebody parking in a handicap spot without a permit? Go get the store manager, that's their problem to deal with not yours.

This murderer was 100% in the wrong and is the reason these 3 kids get to grow up without a father. That lady should file a giant civil suit against him.

7/22/2018 4:51:46 PM

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Congratulations America, you just legalized murder.

7/22/2018 6:44:56 PM

rwoody
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Just?

7/22/2018 7:22:25 PM

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FFS Opie, you can't even get outrage right.

SAD!

7/22/2018 7:45:29 PM

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^^ Excluding cases involving cops, of all the ones I have seen, this one seems to be the most clear cut case. Dude pushed him once and then backed off (eleusis is the only one thinking he was advancing and so close to kicking the life out of him), but still got shot.

7/22/2018 8:07:36 PM

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1. Everybody knows that handicap spots outside convenience stores don't count, right?

2. What's the deal with tough guys trying to enforce the law and then immediately fearing for their lives the instant they have an actual altercation?

3. Do they breathalyze these guys at all? They're so obviously under the influence when they make these decisions to confront people and then jump to shooting. They never breathalyzed Zimmerman, and I bet they didn't check this Drejka guy either.

7/22/2018 8:57:13 PM

Money_Jones
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Store owner and other customers now claiming that the shooter has previously started fights in the parking lot

7/23/2018 7:56:09 AM

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7/23/2018 8:54:22 AM

eleusis
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"When someone comes out and sees a man cussing out their wife and small son, you are frequently going to get an aggressive reaction. He was protecting his family.
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there was no physical confrontation occurring until the deceased shoved the shooter violently to the ground. That's not "protecting his family", that's assault. The deceased even relied on blindsiding the guy first instead of squaring up on him, despite being half his age and twice his size. His girlfriend also took this as her cue to get out of the car to participate in the confrontation.

The media is also misreporting this as a stand-your-ground case. The shooter had already been knocked to the ground and was no longer in a position to retreat and de-escalate the situation. It's the same reason the Trayvon Martin case was never an issue of stand-your-ground, although the media constantly referred to it as one. It's purely a self-defense case at that point.

7/23/2018 2:54:08 PM

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I like your pointed use of "the deceased" rather than "the victim."

7/23/2018 3:31:36 PM

FroshKiller
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'Cause Drejka murdered that man.

7/23/2018 3:32:59 PM

afripino
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perhaps he feared for the lives of his family members? the guy is armed, you know...

[Edited on July 23, 2018 at 3:47 PM. Reason : you'd think stand your ground would require actually standing]

7/23/2018 3:46:38 PM

Money_Jones
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"His girlfriend also took this as her cue to get out of the car to participate in the confrontation.

The media is also misreporting this as a stand-your-ground case. The shooter had already been knocked to the ground and was no longer in a position to retreat and de-escalate the situation."


Jesus Christ. The girlfriend gets out of the car before the boyfriend gets up there and shoved him.

The media isn’t misreporting anything, they are quoting the fucking sheriff who said this falls under stand your ground law.

The murderer may not have been able to retreat, but he didnt need to, the boyfriend tried to retreat as soon as the murderer pulled out his gun

7/23/2018 4:18:25 PM

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I guess this whole "buy a gun to protect freedom of speech" thing is on display here. Without a gun, if you talk to shit you might get an ass beating. With a gun, you can call someone's mother a bitch, call their wife a whore, call their child a bastard; then if they hit you, you can kill them. Neat!

7/23/2018 4:18:52 PM

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What I can't quite figure out, is why does eleusis feel the need to defend this murderer and others like him?

7/23/2018 4:24:04 PM

eleusis
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"I like your pointed use of "the deceased" rather than "the victim.""


that's cause "the victim" had a handgun and is still living.

7/23/2018 4:36:11 PM

FroshKiller
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This dude is on some galaxy brain shit.

7/23/2018 5:10:40 PM

0EPII1
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wow, just wow

7/23/2018 6:09:29 PM

jprince11
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man if 10 seconds of video sums up my entire view on gun control this is it ( and how stupid the arguments against it are)

7/23/2018 8:10:26 PM

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The crazy shit about eleusis is in every, single, scenario, this dude is 100% convinced that the narrative that supports his biases is correct. There is never a shred of doubt, never a shred of nuance, and never a shred of critical thought to suggest that he's considered the possibility that perhaps the events in question do not support his biases. It's fucking wild to see such a disconnect with reality over and over again.

[Edited on July 23, 2018 at 10:01 PM. Reason : Wait, someone remind me, is this the SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED!! guy or just a clone?]

7/23/2018 9:56:47 PM

eleusis
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yeah, it couldn't possibly be that I'm providing counterpoints to the media spin being thrown on these types of cases and regurgitated by all the other posters in this thread. It's unfathomable that law enforcement in this instance saw things the same way I'm describing them.

7/23/2018 10:02:24 PM

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"It's unfathomable that law enforcement in this instance saw things the same way I'm describing them."


Good thing they always get it right

Some laws are wrong too, see earlier lack of...everything on your part.

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Oh so you're just playing a role. Ok?

7/23/2018 10:04:55 PM

BJCaudill21
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Nah I think that's aaronburro right

[Edited on July 23, 2018 at 10:15 PM. Reason : ~]

7/23/2018 10:14:53 PM

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Wasn't Burro...think it was this weirdo.

7/23/2018 10:18:55 PM

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I haven't read a shred of media spin on this case. I've watched the above video, where after pushing the shooter to the ground the victim hikes up his shorts, takes a few steps away...and then is shot. This is not standing your ground, the altercation was effectively over when the victim was 10 feet away from the murderer on the ground.

7/24/2018 8:20:09 AM

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