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UJustWait84
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FWIW, I've found her constant hit/runs over the past few episodes to be hysterical. Great season of SP so far.

12/11/2015 4:41:17 PM

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Yeah, they do a good job of showing how bat-shit crazy she is.

12/11/2015 4:44:24 PM

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"Where the problem lies is when these folks expect everyone else to bend over backward to accept/accommodate them"


What personal sacrifices have you made to help transfolk? "Bending over backwards" is a euphemism that implies your efforts have been a huge chore/bummer. Just one specific example will do, thanks.

12/11/2015 4:51:10 PM

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When did HUR imply he made personal sacrifices to help transfolk? Solid reading comprehension, champ.

The "accommodation" stems from whatever the bathroom lawsuit was about.

If a guy wants to chop off his penis and put on a dress, this is America he is allowed to. Most people don't care that it happens, they just don't want to have to see it, and furthermore, be expected to pretend that it is "normal". My question is when did the liberals change this from a mental disorder to a "victimized class"?

My problem with it is, you can't even have a discussion about it without the liberals getting their jimmies rustled. Anything other than lip service "he/she is so brave" is met with hostility. Masterful trolling by Ben Shapiro on display:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DE_WOCHITk

12/11/2015 5:12:06 PM

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you didn't say narrative even once in that post. that's awesome

12/11/2015 5:24:52 PM

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her time is up

http://mic.com/articles/130297/people-are-speaking-out-against-caitlyn-jenner-s-hypocritical-transphobic-comments

12/13/2015 12:22:44 AM

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What a joke.

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"Jenner is essentially talking about the idea of "passing," which is not always the goal of every transgender person. "


Then what is the goal? If you are a man like Bruce with Gender Identity Disorder, then "being a woman" essentially means looking like one, or "passing".

Or are the offended transpeople saying being trans isn't about looking like the other gender, it's about just having the sex parts? How insensitive! As if women are just walking vaginas... bigots.

12/13/2015 6:37:15 PM

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I want to voice my opinion about Ms. Jenner. She is a transwoman. I accept that. I'm ok with it. If that is what makes her feel best then that is what she should do.

However, I do not feel that she should be a spokesperson for women. She has only been a woman for a year. She has had to go through very little that women go through their entire lives. She has had to go through very little that transwomen who transition early in their lives go through. She has said the hardest thing about being a woman is finding something to wear.

That is not the hardest thing about being a woman. That is no where near the top of the list about the hardest thing about being a woman.
Looking past the fact that she will never suffer the biological aspect of being a woman. She has never gone through what women every day go through.

I am not against a transwoman speaking out on women's issues, but a transwoman who has the nerve to say that the hardest thing about being a woman is finding something to wear should not be a role model to anyone.

Aside from that, I wouldn't even think she is a good role model to transpeople. She has had everything laid out for her. Her transition was pretty much flawless. She didn't even have to suffer what most people who are trans go through.

12/14/2015 10:45:00 AM

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"I'm ok with it."

Whew

12/14/2015 10:50:00 AM

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"Or are the offended transpeople saying being trans isn't about looking like the other gender, it's about just having the sex parts? How insensitive! As if women are just walking vaginas... bigots.
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I really feel that some of these people will always have something to whine or bitch about. Since some of them have faced discrimination we are forced to listen to their bitch fest no matter how trivial their complaint, else be called insensitive blah blah blah

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"I want to voice my opinion about Ms. Mr. Jenner. She is a Man that enjoys dressing/acting like a woman transwoman. I accept that. I'm ok with it. If that is what makes him/her feel best then that is what she should do.
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Fixed it for you and I agree.



[Edited on December 14, 2015 at 11:01 AM. Reason : s]

12/14/2015 11:00:20 AM

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Thank god. Can we close this thread now?

12/14/2015 11:05:44 AM

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" If you are a man like Bruce with Gender Identity Disorder,"

gender dysphoria

12/14/2015 11:07:24 AM

JCE2011
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A handicapped person may not want to be called a cripple, but it is what it is. Pressuring the APA to call it something different doesn't mean reality is any different.

Just like calling Bruce a woman doesn't mean his actual biology has changed.

In fact acknowledging it is a disorder may be more beneficial to trans people, as they could have insurance help them with surgery.

12/14/2015 1:23:04 PM

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"Just like calling Bruce a woman doesn't mean his actual biology has changed. "

Fact.

On the other hand... taking hormones and chopping your nuts off does change your biology.

12/14/2015 1:47:37 PM

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^^ i'm not sure that dysphoria is more "PC", but it is definitely more accurate at describing when it's diagnosed


but it's incredibly silly of you to fight the system

12/14/2015 2:10:03 PM

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"I want to voice my opinion about Ms. Jenner. She is a transwoman. I accept that. I'm ok with it. If that is what makes her feel best then that is what she should do.

However, I do not feel that she should be a spokesperson for women. She has only been a woman for a year. She has had to go through very little that women go through their entire lives. She has had to go through very little that transwomen who transition early in their lives go through. She has said the hardest thing about being a woman is finding something to wear.

That is not the hardest thing about being a woman. That is no where near the top of the list about the hardest thing about being a woman.
Looking past the fact that she will never suffer the biological aspect of being a woman. She has never gone through what women every day go through.

I am not against a transwoman speaking out on women's issues, but a transwoman who has the nerve to say that the hardest thing about being a woman is finding something to wear should not be a role model to anyone.

Aside from that, I wouldn't even think she is a good role model to transpeople. She has had everything laid out for her. Her transition was pretty much flawless. She didn't even have to suffer what most people who are trans go through."


QFT.

12/14/2015 4:18:21 PM

krallum2016
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If Caitlyn Jenner represents all trans people then Kim Kardashian represents every woman

12/15/2015 9:25:07 AM

afripino
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but...she's still a hero...right?

12/15/2015 11:00:51 AM

krallum2016
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and OJ Simpson represents every man

12/15/2015 11:01:33 AM

Bullet
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http://www.wral.com/wrongful-death-lawsuit-against-caitlyn-jenner-dismissed/15288990/

1/29/2016 10:34:12 AM

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"but...she's still a hero...right?"


To many, yes.

1/29/2016 10:39:21 AM

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Buckle-Up Buck-A-Roos

[Edited on January 29, 2016 at 11:23 AM. Reason : a]

1/29/2016 11:23:05 AM

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http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/south-dakota-may-become-the-first-state-to-pass-an-anti-transgender-school-bathroom-bill/ar-BBpCcAD?ocid=spartanntp

BTTT for all you guys and girls and all in between and all outside the lines

2/17/2016 2:06:25 PM

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I hope every Charlotte councilman/woman who voted for this travesty gets booted out of office next round of elections. What a joke.

2/23/2016 7:05:43 PM

HUR
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What happened?

2/23/2016 7:17:47 PM

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They passed some ordinance saying business owners can't discriminate based on sexual orientation and gender identity stuff, and more controversially, they put some stuff in there about bathroom flexibility.

2/23/2016 7:44:23 PM

thegoodlife3
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^^^ seriously?

what's it like to be on the wrong side of a ton of issues?

2/23/2016 7:48:03 PM

HUR
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oh ok! I did find an article on this after searching. So while I do not fully agree for me it is like "whatever".

What is mind blowing is that the NC GOP controlled legislature is up in arms and even the governor is declaring that the state is going to overturn the law. Is there nothing fucking better for the peeps back in Raleigh to do in the assembly building then fret about gender queers going to the wrong bathroom.

Not like there is 1000 other more pressing issues ranging from the economy to mercury in creeks thanks to Duke energy.

In my mind if you don't agree and don't want your sensitive family to be offended by trannies in the wrong bathroom at Fuel Pizza then don't come into Charlotte and stick to Papa Johns out in Pineville.

2/23/2016 8:03:58 PM

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Caitlyn Jenner is the avatar of Baphomet a powerful force of the universe and inevitable archetype. This IS the Chalice and the Blade.

2/23/2016 8:08:13 PM

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"Not like there is 1000 other more pressing"


It is mind boggling that they will pass something that positively affects about 7 people in Charlotte, while making many more uncomfortable and angry.

I'm sure women don't want dudes pissing all over their toilets. Or do these guys sit down and go wee wee? It's just such a retarded issue to waste time on.

2/23/2016 8:09:37 PM

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yet you're the one who is upset about it

and the point of the law is to protect that minority from those who are angry and uncomfortable

why in the world does that upset you so much?

2/23/2016 8:15:52 PM

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^^ I actually agree with you on all that. Though it is something I feel is in Charlotte's rights as a city to make a decision regarding public venues. Just like it is you right to choose not to visit Charlotte restaurants if you are scared of the she-male in the bathroom. I think this is a conservative idea with the whole separation of powers versus having the federal government force these sort of regulations. I'm just shocked at all the "outrage" from the NC assembly.

I I only draw the hard line with schools. Except for a few legit cases of ambiguous gender due to a medical disorder, the whole idea that 7 yr old boy identifies as a girl is crap.

2/23/2016 8:46:52 PM

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I also get off on seeing bible thumpers and old conservative blow hards getting bent out of shape and having an aneurism when not getting their way.

2/23/2016 9:05:40 PM

rjrumfel
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The solution here is to have many small one-toilet bathrooms.

2/23/2016 9:29:50 PM

thegoodlife3
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or just grow up

that's a lot easier

2/23/2016 9:32:57 PM

rjrumfel
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Look, I've gotten a lot further to the middle, even a little left on some things, these past few years, but there are some things that I just can't budge on, and this is one of them. These people need help, they don't need you or anybody else egging them on.

2/23/2016 9:39:28 PM

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^ agree 10000%

I'm all for marriage equality, but I have serious doubts with the whole transgender thing.

It's not going to affect me, but I really wonder why this is such a big deal? .2 - .3% of the population.

I feel like I'm stuck between two groups of freaks: the trannies and the bible thumpers.

2/23/2016 9:45:39 PM

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"These people need help, they don't need you or anybody else egging them on."


It's not about helping them, it's about using them as political leverage for politicians, and for social justice warriors to feel good about themselves.

Use the bathroom that matches your chromosomes #equality for all.

2/23/2016 11:23:08 PM

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so what does that mean about their narrative?

2/24/2016 8:58:25 AM

wdprice3
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Republicans are just scared that they'll fall for a hottie who has a twig and berries.

[Edited on February 24, 2016 at 9:08 AM. Reason : .]

2/24/2016 9:08:06 AM

HUR
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"'m all for marriage equality, but I have serious doubts with the whole transgender thing.

It's not going to affect me, but I really wonder why this is such a big deal? .2 - .3% of the population.

I feel like I'm stuck between two groups of freaks: the trannies and the bible thumpers."


Agreed but we can all enjoy the bible thumpers in NC getting bent out of shape!

2/24/2016 11:07:42 AM

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I haven't seen the full language in the articles I have looked at so I'm not sure how the rules work. If someone has a good source for that please share.

Are there controls around how one identifies their gender? Can a person just identify when it is convenient?

If I'm out and have to drop a deuce can I "identify" as a female and use the cleaner toilets? Or if the men's bathroom is full?

Does this just apply to traditional bathrooms and not locker rooms?
If it does apply to locker rooms, could a male "identify" as a female and just hangout in the showers?

[Edited on February 24, 2016 at 1:45 PM. Reason : better]

2/24/2016 1:28:30 PM

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I think the biggest problem is your assumption that the women's restroom is cleaner than the men's

2/24/2016 1:31:33 PM

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lol, guess I need to go to Charlotte to find out.

The "If the men's room is full" would still apply

[Edited on February 24, 2016 at 1:41 PM. Reason : Hover Technique]

2/24/2016 1:36:45 PM

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women hover and pray, unless you want to hover over a wet toilet seat your plan is going to leave you disappointed

2/24/2016 1:41:00 PM

rjrumfel
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This asshole is going to pose nude for SI?



Looks like Steven Tyler with a facelift.

5/4/2016 10:36:44 PM

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"lol, guess I need to go to Charlotte to find out.

The "If the men's room is full" would still apply"



maybe the kid from Forest Gump will be there and say "seat's taken"

Also, I find it interesting that people who love to call Trump, Drumpf, think you should call Jenner a she.

5/4/2016 10:46:37 PM

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"Looks like Steven Tyler with a facelift."


This part is true.

5/5/2016 1:42:15 PM

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http://www.thewrap.com/caitlyn-jenner-experienced-sex-change-regret-might-de-transition-biographer-says/

Let's walk that whole sex change thing back a few steps.

5/12/2016 1:45:26 PM

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good thing he kept the twig n berries

5/12/2016 1:54:31 PM

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