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JT3bucky
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That guy should be on staff. Geez

12/7/2016 12:28:15 PM

BanjoMan
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guy post random shit on a message board and people call him a troll.

Put the same shit in the format of a sports article with credibility, and people are ready to slap it on the coach's desk.

BUT, the correlation between forced turnovers/rebounding with entry passes is interesting. Hate to ask a stupid question, but is this a known correlation? It would be interesting to see if the analysis still fits with a bigger sampling size.

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"So, what improvements can we make here? The simplest thing we can say is that we should be contesting entry passes. This doesn’t mean fully fronting opposing bigs every time, but it does mean fighting for position, playing on the high side of them, and getting a hand in the way to keep those passes from being easy. "


Or in other words, bench Anya.

[Edited on December 7, 2016 at 1:28 PM. Reason : a]

12/7/2016 1:27:35 PM

JT3bucky
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I'm 100% sure that limiting the entry pass decreases the inside production.

12/7/2016 1:29:58 PM

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I was referring to forced turnovers and defensive rebounding numbers as an absolute value. That is the main point that he is trying to make.

12/7/2016 1:36:38 PM

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Mav looking like he's a go for Saturday's game

12/8/2016 3:48:19 PM

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When is Omer back?

[Edited on December 12, 2016 at 10:40 AM. Reason : He has sat the required 9 games right?]


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"After serving a nine-game suspension that turned out a little bit more painful than any of us would have liked, Omer Yurtseven is finally free of the shackles applied by our NCAA oppressors. And with Maverick Rowan back, this team is finally whole. And hopefully will, you know, start playing a whole lot better.

It’s a good time for Yurtseven’s debut, because as Omega pointed out, App State is rather not good. The Mountaineers feature probably the worst defense we’ll see all season, which is an ideal circumstance for a freshman with some rust to shake off."


[Edited on December 12, 2016 at 10:42 AM. Reason : He'll play Thursday]

12/12/2016 10:39:38 AM

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15th

12/12/2016 10:41:58 AM

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I'm pretty sure his suspension is done and he'll be playing against App State on Thursday, so looks like he'll get to play 4 games before conference play starts.

[Edited on December 12, 2016 at 10:43 AM. Reason : thurs, not wed]

12/12/2016 10:42:51 AM

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Can't really afford to drop any of the next four. Assuming we don't, we'll be 11-2 entering ACC play.

Right now our RPI is 45 and Kenpom is 65. The rankings below are AP if ranked, then RPI, then Kenpom [ex. #5 Duke (18, 1) = AP 5, RPI 18, Kenpom 1).

NC State (45, 65)

@Miami (92, 26)
Virginia Tech (79, 37)
@ #7 UNC (9, 6)
@Boston College (327, 218)
Georgia Tech (121, 117)
Pitt (52, 59)
Wake Forest (15, 52)
@ #5 Duke (18, 1)
@ #11 Louisville (6, 7)
Syracuse (160, 27)
Miami (92, 26)
@Florida State (30, 25)
@Wake Forest (15, 52)
UNC #7 (9, 6)
#23 Notre Dame (38, 24)
@Georgia Tech (121, 117)
#14 Virginia (20, 5)
@Clemson (68, 28)

We really don't have any experience playing truly away except for Illinois and that went terribly.

Sure Win (90%): BC, GT, Pitt
Good Chance (75%): Wake, @GT
Toss Ups (50%): Virginia Tech, Miami, @Wake, @Clemson
Bad Chance (25%): @Miami, Syracuse, @FSU, UNC, ND, UVA
Sure Loss (10%): @UNC, @Duke, @LOU,

Unless we really start clicking, I don't see where we're going to get 9 wins (is 20 still the magic number?) to make it to the NCAAT

12/12/2016 11:18:19 AM

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2 more cupcakes and then we find out who we really are. 2 straight high-90's outputs is fun to see, regardless of the competition.

Obviously defense has to get better...we scored more against Illinois than FSU did, but the Seminoles won and we lost because we can't get the stops we need.

^I don't know how Kenpom numbers work, but how is there such a huge discrepancy between numbers for Miami and Syracuse?

12/18/2016 5:58:26 PM

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^you mean between their kenpom ranking and their RPI ranking? my guess is that the difference is because RPI is not a great metric this early in the year. RPI will be worse if your opponents are bad (or have bad records) especially this early in the year...and it'll balance out as the season goes on. kenpom is more of a performance metric and RPI you could say is a "strength" metric. it takes into account your opponents W/L record and their opponents' W/L records and not so much your actual on-the-court performance (aside from just winning and losing, it's not factoring in if you're playing well or poorly). kenpom is more statistical based and also does factor in opponents. another difference early in the year is that kenpom has a preseason ranking based on returning players. RPI doesn't have any built-in preseason adjustments. so RPI isn't gonna know the difference between Fairfield's players and State's players...only the team's wins and losses.

i'm sure somebody could explain that better than me, but i think that's right.

12/18/2016 7:03:54 PM

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I never thought I'd see the day where Anya would be a 10minute a game guy (not including foul outs). Thank god that day is here

12/18/2016 10:02:02 PM

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^^Pretty accurate description. KenPom is usually pretty good. Always has teams like Wisconsin and UVA too high though. Still early for RPI.

Current ACC KenPom/RPI

Duke 1/16
UVA 3/21
UNC 6/13
Louisville 8/9
ND 22/41
FSU 23/19
Miami 25/79
Clemson 27/78
Syracuse 33/184
VT 36/48
Wake 54/17
Pitt 58/37
State 59/39
GT 117/113
BC 209/284

12/18/2016 11:42:08 PM

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^I don't think that particular RPI ranking has been updated with yesterday's game included

12/19/2016 9:42:51 AM

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to piggyback off the kenpom/rpi discussion this is relevant.

http://www.backingthepack.com/2016/12/18/13998460/the-future-of-rpi

also...mcneese st is 0-6 vs D1 opponents and is 331 in kenpom. their adjusted O ranks 317 and adjusted D ranked 332. their tempo is ranked 9th in the nation. guys...this game thursday could get super fun and ugly. like we might score 120

[Edited on December 19, 2016 at 9:48 AM. Reason : d]

12/19/2016 9:45:10 AM

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Yeah we're on our 3 easiest game run of the season, enjoy it. At least Tennessee State and Rider have good records, App State, Fairfield, and McNeese St are all awful.

Hopefully Rider will help bring us back to playing at least an average team before starting the ACC schedule.

12/19/2016 10:39:29 AM

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RPI for what it actually measures is way overused. One of the worst sports statistics around that is leaned on to make decisions or judge quality of teams.

12/19/2016 11:32:52 AM

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^yeah that's the conclusion i came to as i was looking into just what exactly the RPI measures.

12/19/2016 2:56:28 PM

packboozie
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^^^Fairfield beat Rider by 9 so I doubt it. Another RPI killer.

12/19/2016 8:37:48 PM

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McNeese is beating Tulane right now

A win by the cowpokes would be huge for helping our RPI while hurting UNCs

12/19/2016 9:09:08 PM

JT3bucky
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they won.

12/20/2016 12:51:30 AM

F1V3LSU
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Oh shit, its gonna be a tough game now cuz they are streaking and are hot since they won

12/20/2016 9:00:34 AM

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lol

App may be the only team worse on our schedule.

12/20/2016 9:07:45 AM

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FWIW, Duke only beat Tenn St by 10 last night 65-55. They actually led for a while in the 2nd half. We beat Tenn St by 12, but we needed OT to do it.

Harry Giles also debuted for Duke last night, though he did nadda

12/20/2016 4:07:54 PM

ssclark
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the sky is clearly falling

12/20/2016 8:14:30 PM

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https://twitter.com/franfraschilla/status/811283181341212672/photo/1

12/20/2016 8:42:11 PM

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I was pleased to see Fairfield beat BC but then I realized BC is just terrible

12/22/2016 9:04:45 AM

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Rewatched the UNC game win from 2013. Cant believe Vandenburg got that many minutes. Talk about a team with no depth yeesh. Painter having to transfer really hurt that team. Of course not cuz he was great or anything, just that he was a much more serviceable big man than Vandy.

Another note: Kyle Washington is Cincis #2 scoring at 15 ppg and is shooting really well. I mean, that shouldnt come as any surprise to any of us. He was a good scorer and a good player. Dont care about it this year, but man he wouldve gotten some serious minutes last year. When I think about last years team suckage, lacey leaving I can accept. But Its the TH injury and KW transfer that wouldve totally changed that team.

[Edited on December 22, 2016 at 9:57 AM. Reason : .]

12/22/2016 9:57:20 AM

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Quote :
"having to"

12/22/2016 10:00:14 AM

ssclark
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"I mean, that shouldnt come as any surprise to any of us"
. I suppose you abstained from tww during the last yeah of Kw's time here

12/22/2016 1:20:21 PM

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^^ Sorry, local dialect. Im assuming thats a comment on my grammar and not a dispute about his reasons for transferring.

^He was always a good scorer, even if people didnt want to see it. He just never saw a shot he didnt like.

[Edited on December 22, 2016 at 1:52 PM. Reason : n]

12/22/2016 1:51:58 PM

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^i suspect synapse is being combative b/c he has forgotten why painter transferred. nice of you to give him the benefit of the doubt, though.

12/22/2016 3:12:58 PM

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no days off for the Sunshine Squad

12/22/2016 3:19:01 PM

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That's all it takes to be "combative" these days? Sheesh.

12/22/2016 3:45:49 PM

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Glad to see the love from Fran, now if we can get Dan Dakich on board we will be rolling.

12/23/2016 7:47:30 AM

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Oh hey remember how yesterday i said KW was playing well at Cincy? Well apparently he doesnt play any defense there and is starting to lose minutes.

Freeman is gonna be a beast for us next year

12/23/2016 12:46:00 PM

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A beast of a graduate assistant

12/23/2016 2:22:17 PM

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Predict the ACC slate: I'm cautiously getting optimistic although D based teams like UVA and Louisville still look like they will make us look silly.

@Miami L
VT W
@UNC L
@BC W
GT W
PITT W
WAKE W
@Duke L
@UL L
CUSE W
MIAMI W
@FSU L
@WAKE L
UNC L
ND W
@GT W
UVA L
@CLEM W

Pretty much have to go 9-9 to be in NCAAT discussion with our weakass OOC.

[Edited on December 29, 2016 at 1:00 AM. Reason : Adds up to 10-8]

12/29/2016 12:59:58 AM

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18-0

12/29/2016 7:20:15 AM

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Miami hasnt shown me anything that makes them seem better than us. Theyve played a similar schedule with 2 losses to the two best teams theyve played. They have 2 actual wins over P5 teams but beating Rutgers is like beating BC and Stanford has lost to every team with a pulse theyve played. And also Miami hasnt played a true road game so, whatever

12/29/2016 8:40:44 AM

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http://www.rpiforecast.com/live-rpi.html

it's early, but this has our RPI at 35. that's solid.

12/29/2016 10:01:06 AM

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be cautiously optimistic. team looks good now. yea we are beating weak teams, but finally blowing them out. used to play to the competition and just be happy to win said games. we'll keep improving too

12/29/2016 10:15:02 AM

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our FT shooting is up ~3.5% so far this year. in particular, Abu is 77% this year (up from 63% last year) and Beejay is 53.6%...up from 43% last year. it's obviously a smaller sample size than all of last season and Beejay has only shot 28 FTs...but it's encouraging for sure.

also, highest FT % under Gott was Year 1 when we were 70.4%. This year we're at 73.2%...so this could be his best FT shooting team.

[Edited on December 29, 2016 at 10:58 AM. Reason : g]

12/29/2016 10:46:19 AM

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In regards to the RPI, how is our SOS ahead of UCLA's strength of schedule when they played 3 Big 10 teams and 2 SEC teams? And you would have to include the Oregon game they just played if it's truly "Live RPI"

12/29/2016 11:14:19 AM

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We're +0.80 in Luck this year according to Kenpom, so this might be Gott's luckiest team yet. We're the 51st luckiest team in the country, which says a lot about our talent and coaching.

12/29/2016 11:25:10 AM

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no idea what formula is used to calculate SOS there.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/rpi/_/sort/RPI

espn here has us slightly higher at 32. and our SOS again ahead of UCLA

we also did play Creighton too..they're top 10ish. maybe the worst teams we've played are better than worst teams they've played

[Edited on December 29, 2016 at 11:29 AM. Reason : f]

12/29/2016 11:25:38 AM

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Team definitely has the talent, athleticism, and depth to be special. Biggest things I see are

1. Cutting down on dumb turnovers. This is something that's bit us all year, including the Rider game (bad alley oops, lazy passes, dumb offensive fouls.) Good thing is that it's easily fixable.

2. Defense, obviously. Seems to have improved quite a bit in recent weeks, but the competition has been crap. We'll learn a lot over the next few.

3. Rebounding. This has gotten better with Kapita and Yurt in the mix, but I'm still not totally sold.

12/29/2016 1:18:00 PM

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We've looked great against crappy teams with our full squad.

I'm curious to see how our young guys handle playing ACC teams, esp. on the road. The few times I've seen us get down DSJ has started pressing way too much and forcing things. Will be interesting to see if this continues to be a problem or if he learns from early mistakes.

Very winnable ACC game coming up to continue building confidence/momentum, actually 4 of the first 6 are games we need to win if we hope to make any noise this year.

12/29/2016 1:41:50 PM

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It's really about how well our forwards play. Teams are going to gear their defenses to shut down the shooting and drives of DSJ, Henderson and Dorn. Abu and Yurt need to occupy that open space and be ready to score when the ball comes to them. Also rebounding will be critical with all the jump shots we'll be taking, especially during cold streaks. Basically dudes need to do their jobs and not worry about showing off to NBA scouts, especially Abu who's been preoccupied with taking long 2s.

12/29/2016 4:35:08 PM

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We gave up 71 points to Rider and 78 to Fairfield. To put it in perspective, they both scored more against us than they did against each other.

Some of that can be blamed on garbage time, but only a little. Duke, UNC, UVA, and Louisville will light us up if the team can't do any better on D.

12/29/2016 4:53:17 PM

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