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dbhawley
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I will say that things move very slow. I have been had 2 different positions here at State.

My first job on campus - I applied to in February. I didn't hear a thing until July. When I got a phone call for the interview, I didn't know what job they were even referring to, I had forgotten. A week later I had the interview, 2 weeks later I got the job offer, started 2 weeks after that.

Things move slow. You just have to be patient and wait it out.

As far as finding out more info, most of the wait is just bureaucracy, and out of the control of the hiring officials/office. In my experience, I would say reaching out for a 'status update' does more harm than then good, as you can come across as impatient, and gives the notion that you may not do well in a high bureaucracy environment. So I tell my friends unless you have a close relationship with someone in the office, don't reach out to them to 'check on the status of your application'.

[Edited on January 27, 2017 at 8:23 AM. Reason : ]

1/27/2017 8:20:17 AM

Klatypus
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^ I agree, it was like 1.5 months before I heard anything back about my current position. Employer even told me he was trying to hire someone "quickly" and I was like ???


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"Honest question for you all.
1. How hard is it to even get a response on an application? (for me it seems REAL HARD)
2. Do any of you have any openings coming up in the next month or so?"


I have had 4 jobs around state. If you are looking for jobs at state I would keep checking the job board every 3 days. There will be an onslaught of temp jobs for field work in the coming month or so.

Just be aware, permanent technicians have been eliminated almost across the board. Most things are part time and/or temporary and you are employed for the season. Best case scenario as a temporary position is that you take a solid month off at the end of the year so that you maintain temp status, and they rehire after the month is up, I have only seen one PT job operate this way. It used to be standard that profs involved in research had FT perm technicians, freeing them up for grant writing and more advanced analytics, however giving parts of campus a makeover seems to be more important. The only techs left are on their way out, once retired they close the position. I only know about CALS, so maybe engineering or other "high profit" departments operate differently

You won't get benefits unless you are a FT prof

[Edited on January 27, 2017 at 9:14 AM. Reason : .]

1/27/2017 9:12:41 AM

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You get benefits for any full FTE position.

In my experience, techs are paid by researchers via grant funds. Grants across all disciplines are smaller and harder to get. Thus, the permanent tech position is going away. They just don't fit in University research budget model anymore. Some departments will hire techs out of department funds with the expectation that they'll support multiple research groups. Those are rare. Departments these days tend to have budget problems if their own. My department can barely afford bare bones admin staff.

As for hiring timelines, it depends on who is doing the hiring. If the unit in question wants someone quick, they'll respond to applications the same day they come in. Other units will just sit on applications for a few months until they feel they have a big enough pool. YMMV.

1/27/2017 10:13:11 AM

ncsuallday
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^I think what you're saying applies more for faculty/research type of positions. We are hiring administrative positions constantly. As you can imagine, turnover in CALS is pretty high but we aren't unique in that regard either.

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"Honest question for you all.
1. How hard is it to even get a response on an application? (for me it seems REAL HARD)
2. Do any of you have any openings coming up in the next month or so? "


A few things worth noting:

1. It isn't advertised but a lot of times when jobs are posted, there is somebody in mind internally. We are required to advertise jobs to the public since we are a public institution and most of the jobs are state of NC jobs. Therefore, the unfortunate side effect of this is that you may even get an interview but your chances are slim to none unless you just blow everyone away. Even other NC State employees trying to make a lateral move run into this.

2. If there isn't somebody internal, there are other hiring preferences in place. For example, if a State of NC employee is laid off (or even fired in some cases) they are eligible for preference to get reinstated. I believe there are also veteran preferences (I know there were in the Federal government) and maybe others.

3. Once your name makes it down to the review pile you'll find yourself there with a lot of other people. The lower on the organizational chart the job you're applying to, the more applications you'll be competing with (and by extension more people with preference). So maybe you get through all that and maybe you get a call back or even an interview. The job may be posted preemptive of funding. So this job you got your hopes up for never ends up getting funded, or other things happen and they pull the posting. Sorry. It happens all the time in the public sector.

I worked for State as a contracted graduate student and stayed on contract for 1.5 years thereafter. They could never get me fully converted to permanent so I left for three years and went Federal (that was a nightmare too where I had to fight between contracts until I could find a loophole to get hired permanent).

I applied to over 50 jobs at State in that three year time period. I was brought in to interview for three positions including the job that I currently have. One I didn't like the fit, one they didn't like the fit, and one that fit great.

If you're applying to something in CALS shoot me a PM.

Also, you'll tend to see more jobs opening up in April / May / June because it's getting closer to the end of the state fiscal year (ends June 30) and departments need to spend down funds.

Good luck

[Edited on January 27, 2017 at 10:29 AM. Reason : .]

1/27/2017 10:18:22 AM

Klatypus
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"In my experience, techs are paid by researchers via grant funds. Grants across all disciplines are smaller and harder to get. Thus, the permanent tech position is going away. They just don't fit in University research budget model anymore. Some departments will hire techs out of department funds with the expectation that they'll support multiple research groups. Those are rare. Departments these days tend to have budget problems if their own. My department can barely afford bare bones admin staff."


yes techs are typically funded by research grants, as I currently am.... and I get weekly updates on how long my funding will last. Last month it was expected to dry up in Jan, then 2 weeks later it was Feb, then last week I found out June.

I have only held grant funded positions, in my limited CALS they have been getting more unstable over the last 3 years. I will say I was in a position from 2008-2009 and then prematurely let go because CALS decided to take the remainder of the funds ($15,000) to "balance a deficit", which is legal for them to do despite the college and department overhead already paid. It immediately killed my position and paused all projects that prof was working on. That was not a good year for NCSU, and since I haven't heard of that, hopefully those instances were isolated to the economic crash. Perhaps I am cynical, but these tech positions wreak havoc on my anxiety I am grateful for the mentorships I have received over the years, I have always really enjoyed the research I am apart of, I have always had great supervisors and hard working supporting staff, and working for NCSU always looks good on a resume. Just beware of where your funding comes from and just know it might not work out the way you were told when you interviewed. Even if you love the work, and your supervisor loves your work, you might not get to stay around long. I hope that this is not your experience and I wish you luck. I might even suggest keeping to the admin type jobs, they are more secure.

1/27/2017 12:09:10 PM

darkone
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Are you telling me that the department just reallocated 5-account money away from the PI's control?!

1/27/2017 4:46:12 PM

Klatypus
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I'm not sure what kind of account it was, I was hired... worked for 3 weeks and promptly let go.

The professor was almost in tears explaining that CALS or perhaps it was the University, I am not entirely sure of these details.... anyway they froze the money from the prof and took enough out of it to end what we were working on. He may have picked it back up again, they may have reimbursed him later, I really have no clue.

1/31/2017 4:50:04 PM

Klatypus
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Also CALS (maybe this is more university wide policy, I'm not sure) chased away a google grant, we (my prof) were in the final money talk. University would not budge on the 50% overhead charge. It was a $500K grant total, and they wanted their cut which is typically 50%, so you have to work that into the contract. 50% of $500 pushes the grand total up to 750K and google was considering it, but they were hesistant with the huge price tag and the university wouldn't budge on the number. The nail that killed the entire deal was the tech transfer stuff, NCSU wanted to maintain all patent rights. The profs involved were not concerned by the patent rights, so they agreed NCSU would not let that go so the deal died and no one got funded. Google in all likelihood took their grant to another university or private company.

I understand most of why that stuff is there, but are you trying to tell me that you would give up all that investment over something like that. Obviously google would never invest in something they had no rights to and couldn't make money on. The university should be concerned with attracting these big private investors and keeping their employees busy with new and intriguing research that will reflect well on the department and the school as a whole. This is essentially why I have to move on from my current position. The federal grants are an annual thing with no guarantee. My prof/supervisor was hoping this google grant would keep my position open for 3 years, whereas now my position is open until June. Any thoughts? (keep in mind my knowledge of the details is pretty limited)

2/1/2017 3:12:06 PM

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"Oh damn I miss IP3 Wednesdays. The 2 slice and a drink combo for $5.50 was on point. The bschool had Banditos instead of Captain Ponchos, but I never really ate anything besides IP3."


Shawna, they updated the rotation at The Beach. Nobody liked Captain Poncho's, so they booted them and replaced them with Bandido's! It makes Friday so much better. Went last week and one of the guys that works at the Hillsborough restaurant recognized me.

2/1/2017 5:55:13 PM

ncsuallday
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^^^so I looked into this. apparently during that time there were university-wide reductions and furloughs. basically the State wanted cutbacks and the university actually absorbed/sheltered us from the brunt of it but they did kick back a 7% reduction to the colleges so it's likely since you weren't a permanent employee you were hurt by that.

[Edited on February 2, 2017 at 9:38 AM. Reason : .]

2/2/2017 9:20:36 AM

Klatypus
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yes, there were a lot of furloughs I remember that. At first the prof I was working for felt that we were secure bc I was in a grant funded position, but the account freeze (or whatever it was) meant no mo money for any of his workers, there were 2.

2/2/2017 1:21:45 PM

darkone
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The 51% overhead and all the tech transfer stuff is consistent with the terms of all grants with the federal government. Those details can be deviated from, but not without a lot of prior planning and negotiation. The university runs "service centers" more tailored for that sort of thing. If it was a large grant ($1+ million) the University would likely have been more interested in negotiating.

2/2/2017 1:22:07 PM

Klatypus
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^ yea I know it's standard. I just thought it was interesting that they didn't do anything to secure the contract. Also thought it would be weird for any private entity to give up patent rights, but maybe there is a reason?

also I know 750K is no big thing for NCSU, but it was going to be pretty big deal for the department.

2/2/2017 2:10:24 PM

darkone
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Considering that the situation involved google, I can see the university being more inflexible than usual. The University really wants exploitable patents. It gives them a revenue stream independent of the state.

I'd kind of expect that any patentable work would be jointly shared between google, the PI(s), and the University. If google wouldn't agree to that, they shouldn't be funding academics. Though.... I guess they didn't.

[Edited on February 2, 2017 at 3:41 PM. Reason : can't type]

2/2/2017 3:39:15 PM

Klatypus
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I don't know the finer details, so I can't elaborate if there were talks about shared patent rights. Interesting

2/3/2017 1:22:47 PM

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