I think it kind of merges with the culture war in general, it's "intersectional" outrage... hahahaha

[Edited on March 9, 2024 at 4:44 PM. Reason : ]

3/9/2024 4:44:18 PM

Self-proclaimed multibillionaire can't pay bond in the mere millions.

You hate to see it.

3/18/2024 9:07:37 PM

^nttawwt!

3/18/2024 9:55:24 PM

I very much dislike the man, but comments like that are very ignorant and you know it. I don’t know how many billionaires out there have half a billion in liquid assets that they can turn on a dime and produce.

I’ve never been a billionaire though, so I may be wrong.

3/20/2024 10:24:12 AM

Face it, he's living paycheck-to-paycheck.

3/20/2024 10:49:26 AM

^^Mark Cuban wrote quite the tweet on this topic.

https://twitter.com/mcuban/status/1770125120381587945

@moron

[Edited on March 20, 2024 at 12:59 PM. Reason : 1]

3/20/2024 12:59:32 PM

^^^ he’s not a billionaire, though

the whole case was about him claiming his assets were higher than they actually are

https://x.com/rdeliason/status/1770762057425531195?s=46

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"If Trump is truly unable to secure a bond, that suggests his net worth and value of his assets are far lower than he has been claiming - which was part of the basis of the case against him. In other words, it’s simply further evidence of the underlying fraud itself."

[Edited on March 21, 2024 at 10:44 AM. Reason : .]

3/21/2024 10:43:46 AM

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"very much dislike the man, but comments like that are very ignorant and you know it. I don’t know how many billionaires out there have half a billion in liquid assets that they can turn on a dime and produce. I’ve never been a billionaire though, so I may be wrong."

Shouldn't get a fraud judgment against you then I guess. Plenty of other people have this same problem without the cover of having assets that can be sold off to pay.

3/21/2024 12:47:24 PM

damn, all the new debt is going to make him even more vulnerable when hes president again.

3/21/2024 3:08:36 PM

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"^^^ he’s not a billionaire, though"

Sure he is. Does he inflate his net worth? Certainly...but he's still a billionaire.

3/21/2024 7:01:51 PM

other than what he claims about his net worth, what evidence is there that he is a billionaire in 2024?

3/21/2024 7:12:38 PM

We shouldn't "forget" to consider liabilities in net worth calculations. There are a lot of outwardly rich people who are leveraged to the max.

3/21/2024 9:43:55 PM

Forbes says he's worth about $2.6B. Though who knows how much debt he has.

3/21/2024 11:02:24 PM

Will this guy EVER be held to account on this earth? Hopes are fading.

3/25/2024 1:26:29 PM

No.

And knuckle-dragging populous knows it.

They'll eventually be empowered to kill whoever of their neighbors they choose to.

And it's because everybody laughed at the Tea Party instead of seeing what it was and what was happening.

3/25/2024 2:08:49 PM

Was there an explanation for why his bond was lowered from $454 to 175 million? And given an additional 10 days to come-up with it?

3/25/2024 2:19:49 PM

Because bond companies don't do that much, so it was practically impossible to secure that. They had evidence for approaching many companies for it.

3/25/2024 2:25:43 PM

Nobody would give two shits if you, I, or anyone else were unable to find a bond company. Yet this turd gets special treatment. Again.

3/25/2024 2:32:20 PM

Maybe? People get extensions in court cases all the time if things are deemed to be improbable. Someone can find the common law specifics for me. But yes, of course, rich and/or famous people have advantages... but that isn't limited to Trump in any way. There have probably been 100 far more egregious cases in the last year that were of some obscure corporate case that we never even heard of or bothered to discuss.

[All] Glory to TGL3,
emnsk

3/25/2024 7:39:10 PM

'what about'

3/26/2024 12:03:41 AM

"There have probably been" is kinda what got me

3/26/2024 12:15:09 AM

^^

No, I was just expanding on how the special treatment isn't limited to just him. Not justifying or saying it was right.

3/26/2024 6:52:55 PM

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"Because bond companies don't do that much, so it was practically impossible to secure that."

Bullshit. Any bond company would be chomping at the bit to take a $100mill cut of this game, if Cheeto provided sufficiently liquid assets, i.e. cash or stocks. He either wouldn't, or couldn't. He probably offered property, and no sane person would take that offer here where the whole case is about him massively inflating the valuations of his properties.

To be fair, bond companies will happily take properties as collateral for smaller judgements, but would be insane to do so for one of this size. If the defendant loses his appeal, the bond company is on the hook, and on an expedited timescale. Selling a property doesn't happen overnight. For smaller judgements, they can take that risk, but they certainly won't do so with 500mill on the line. I would also suspect that Trump's assets are structured in such a way as to make it difficult to assign them to a bonding agency (or even possible to revoke or fight that assignment after the fact; never forget how shady this fucker is), even if they were dumb enough to accept it. But this doesn't mean the companies won't do a bond of this size; they just won't do it with properties as the collateral.

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"They had evidence for approaching many companies for it."

Bullshit. They had one guy saying it, and his testimony had been severely impeached during this very trial. IIRC, his attorneys honestly didn't offer any hard evidence of bond agencies turning them down, other than this one shady guy's word.

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"Was there an explanation for why his bond was lowered from $454 to 175 million? And given an additional 10 days to come-up with it?"

Having said all of that, I suspect the reason for lowering the bond was a couple of things
1) Special treatment because he's Trump
2) A generous understanding of the enormity of the judgement and the very real problems that come with it. The "fire sale" complaints are not entirely without merit, and Cheeto should be able to exhaust his appeals under "fair" circumstances
3) The judge might have gone too far, and the appeals court lowered to something they could more easily justify

The 10-day delay would simply be to allow him to secure it under the newly understood terms. There would be no reason for him to have a 200mill bond waiting in the wings if the court weren't going to accept it. That shit costs money. I'd say the additional delay is reasonable.

3/26/2024 11:32:26 PM

^"Bullshit"

Read the court filings, it has them reaching 30+ companies. You could also just read an article on the topic. https://www.newsweek.com/full-list-companies-denied-trump-bond-1880543

3/27/2024 3:28:54 AM

OK, I guess you're right. He can find someone to bond him for 100mill. He can presumably find someone to bond him for 175mill. But he just can't seem to find anyone willing to bond him for the full amount of the exact same order of magnitude, while taking home 115mill in risk-free money in the process. And, even though he can secure 175mill for this judgement, he's totally unable to get another 100mill and 175mill from 2 other agencies. This totally makes sense.

And, to go further, he can absolutely secure a 450mill bond by paying 570mill in cash and securities except for the agencies' refusals, but he totally can't pay 450mill straight to the State of NY. Trump totally isn't full of shit here...

(Btw, I'm calling bullshit on Trump's absurd claims here, not on you)

Also, the article you provided says exactly what I said: the companies won't take real estate as collateral for a bond of this size. It in no way says they won't do a bond of this size at all.

3/27/2024 9:05:41 AM

In case you're curious, here's an article which points out that the claims of being "unable to secure a bond of that size" are wholly attributed to individuals of dubious credibility...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2024/03/20/trump-bond-letitia-james-fraud-new-york/

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"On Wednesday, Dennis Fan, a lawyer for James, told the appeals court that Trump’s claims of striking out with insurance companies are not reliable because they are based on sworn statements from Gary Giulietti, a personal friend of Trump’s, and from Alan Garten, general counsel at the Trump Organization. Fan wrote that New York Supreme Court Justice Arthur Engoron, who oversaw James’s civil trial against Trump, decided Giulietti was not a credible witness. He argued that Garten was involved in the conduct at issue and “has professional interests in this litigation.”"

3/27/2024 9:13:01 AM

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"Also, the article you provided says exactly what I said: the companies won't take real estate as collateral for a bond of this size. It in no way says they won't do a bond of this size at all."

Yeah, I agree with that. I also agree with your assessment at the end of the original post. The decision was obviously influenced in some way by the gravitas of the situation and the guy.
I just meant that regardless of whether it was dubious or not, it isn't like they didn't even try.

I wasn't aware of the stuff mentioned in "^" though. Thanks for sending that article.

[Edited on March 27, 2024 at 8:37 PM. Reason : Also let me be clear on my views... he's a conman liar supported by a brainwashed base]

3/27/2024 8:28:42 PM

This guy is hilarious sometimes

https://godblesstheusabible.com/

3/27/2024 10:37:02 PM

Totally not blasphemous

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"The Bible is only available online and sells for $59.99 (considerably more expensive than the traditional Bibles sold at major retailers, or those available for free at many churches and hotels). It includes Greenwood's handwritten chorus of its titular song as well as copies of historical documents including the U.S. Constitution, Declaration of Independence and Pledge of Allegiance. ... "Religion and Christianity are the biggest things missing from this country, and I truly believe that we need to bring them back and we have to bring them back fast.""

3/28/2024 9:06:20 AM

You know, if you can't trust a guy who's literally never read a single page in the Bible to bring Christianity back, who can you trust?

3/28/2024 9:15:23 AM

But guys, it also has the Constitution in it. And the Bill of Rights. It’s totally legit. I’ve ordered one for every family member!

3/28/2024 3:24:30 PM

and Lee F'n Greenwood's hand-written chorus!

(how does he get away with this shit???!?)

3/28/2024 3:52:52 PM

This is the final test for who's brainwashed and who isn't. If this doesn't make you question Trump, don't really know what to say. Mega-grifting... or should I say, MAGA-grifting

3/28/2024 4:16:21 PM

John Eastman has been disbarred



gn...sp

3/28/2024 4:35:31 PM

Former Trump Org exec Allen Weisselberg sentenced to five-months in jail for lying under oath during testimony



Iand don't know how these things work, but why do they keep allowing him to "request" delays? Can't they just say "No, stop asking."?
https://www.wral.com/story/trumps-lawyers-try-for-a-third-day-to-get-ny-appeals-court-to-delay-hush-money-trial/21373502/

[Edited on April 11, 2024 at 9:47 AM. Reason : ]

4/11/2024 9:42:12 AM

^No, stop asking!

4/11/2024 12:57:23 PM

https://www.wral.com/story/trump-called-this-visa-very-bad-for-americans-truth-social-applied-for-one/21394352/

4/23/2024 2:15:15 PM

Trump allegedly offered a pardon to someone if elected to a second term

not surprised

4/23/2024 3:43:14 PM

Sleepy Donald

4/23/2024 6:26:26 PM

I feel like this trial will do nothing to persuade like 44% of voting Americans

4/23/2024 9:59:49 PM

It isn't about the 44%, it is about the 2-3% in swing states and about motivating those aligned with the Democrat party to come out and vote.

4/23/2024 10:29:06 PM

^^ This is easily the weakest of the 4 criminal trials, by far. It was a nakedly political prosecution, done largely so that Bragg could be the first to criminally indict a former president. The core argument is essentially "Cheeto tried to advance his campaign to influence the election." Well, no shit, Sherlock.

4/23/2024 11:01:05 PM

I guess that is one way to normalize this behavior

4/23/2024 11:13:27 PM

^^
Cohen went to jail for this literal exact crime a few years ago. Not political

Actually relates to the core of campaign finance law. Might as well repeal the laws if this doesn’t matter

4/24/2024 12:45:16 AM

^ Except he kind of didn't. It was tacked on to his plea deal for tax evasion and multiple counts oflying to federal investigators during the investigation. They tacked on the campaign finance thing at the end to justify the whole thing, sure, but it was really just slam dunking on him at that point. They had him on far more serious shit.

4/24/2024 1:09:30 AM

TIL that Michael Cohen didn't actually plead guilty to campaign finance violations.

4/25/2024 7:55:40 AM