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kdogg(c)
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Bring your tears here.

11/9/2016 12:16:41 PM

TerdFerguson
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COMEEEEYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!1!1!1!!1!1!1!1!

*shakes fist angrily*

11/9/2016 12:24:36 PM

kdogg(c)
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DNC
Biden
Sanders
Johnson
Stein
Polls

11/9/2016 12:26:34 PM

AndyMac
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Idiots who think their job is coming back

11/9/2016 12:27:08 PM

kdogg(c)
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Electoral college

11/9/2016 12:30:39 PM

afripino
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Obama.

Thx, Obama.

Him and those deplorableadorable rednecks.

11/9/2016 2:35:29 PM

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Coal miners are gonna be thrilled to be shipped to the desert to build a wall.

Good luck!

11/9/2016 4:51:37 PM

Shrike
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I'll go turnout, and to be super bitter, repealing VRA. RIGGED!

11/9/2016 5:03:29 PM

JCE2011
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DNC corruption
Clinton corruption
Media corruption

And the indifference of most liberals to the above 3.

11/9/2016 6:59:57 PM

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Anything besides Hillary, The DNC, and the blind Clinton supporters.

11/9/2016 7:10:10 PM

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DNC and Hillary

11/9/2016 8:36:48 PM

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Yep, DNC and Hillary lost this one. A fact I find rather surprising. I thought for sure Trump was somehow different and got different voters. Alas, poor rural whites were just as unlikely to vote this time around as any previous election. So, it sure seems like Trump just got the same voters as Romney did in 2012, just fewer of them, and Hillary got the same voters as Obama, but a whole bunch fewer of them.

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"This was a LOW turnout election year, no GOP surge—>4 million fewer Democratic voters this yr, 1.2 million fewer GOP voters #Election2016"

11/10/2016 12:51:10 AM

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Trump flipped rust belt voters, will probably need to look into what happened there. Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin were turning points.

11/10/2016 12:53:44 AM

skokiaan
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robots destroyed the rust belt

11/10/2016 12:57:16 AM

LoneSnark
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Unionized robots destroyed the rust belt

11/10/2016 8:56:54 AM

NyM410
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I said this in another thread but both sides realize automation is what did it but neither wanted to talk about it because it doesn't appeal to the emotions of the people it effects. The Democrats chose to wholly ignore and assume dying unions would drive support like always and Trump decided to feed them a bunch of bullshit that life would go back to normal again.

Neither actually has anything to do with their actual problems but at least paying attention to them won them over. And you'd be joking if you didn't think Comey's letter didn't rationalize a lot of suburban Republicans to come home in the end.

11/10/2016 9:06:53 AM

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Obviously MMQBing, but I think the focus on "expanding the map" in states like GA, AZ, and even NC was a big mistake. Not one campaign event in Wisconsin. Barely went to Michigan. Should have stuck to defending the "blue wall" and locked down PA/MI/WI. All three of those states were decided by 1% or less and would have flipped the outcome if they went the other way.

11/10/2016 9:37:41 AM

dtownral
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And frustratingly, those were all states were clinton performed below polling in the primary. Should have been a warning.

11/10/2016 9:43:55 AM

UJustWait84
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1. Lazy white, Latino, and black people who voted for Obama, but didn't bother to vote for her
2. Butthurt Bernie Babies who voted third party as a protest
3. Hillary for being a shitty candidate and the DNC's blind support of her
4. CNN for its garbage reporting and use of Trump surrogates
5. Polls for being absolutely worthless.
6. The electoral college for allowing the same bullshit that happened in 2000 to happen again
7. Uneducated white women who watch nothing but reality television and think it's actually reality

11/10/2016 11:06:36 AM

TerdFerguson
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Ummm

I'll say it bc no one else is going to:

THE FBI


Not the Comey letter and follow up letter, I'm talking about the Trumplandia NY Field office. Unauthorized leaks, violating the Hatch act, and most of those leaks have been shown to be absolutely wrong.

I don't think this was the most significant factor in Hillary's loss, but it was a factor, and it was shenanigans, and it needs to be investigated right the fuck right now.

11/10/2016 11:17:06 AM

UJustWait84
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Definitely contributed, but the exit polls showed that 60 something percent of people made up their minds way before any of the debates. People didn't care about most of those scandals because they were sticking with either one of them regardless.

11/10/2016 1:01:28 PM

Shrike
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^^This is also important when we start second guessing all the strategic decisions Hillary's campaign made. There were definitely some missteps and outright ignorance of the mood of the electorate in certain parts of the country. However, no one could have foreseen the FBI taking such a direct and partisan role in the election. When you look at the margins she lost by in the rust belt, everything mattered.

11/10/2016 1:05:58 PM

dtownral
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the resut belt states didn't like her in the primary though, that was well before the late minutes FBI clusterfuck

11/10/2016 1:07:17 PM

UJustWait84
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Millennials also sucked ass in this election. Stayed at home and posted about the election on FB instead of getting up off their asses. They had no problem voting for the cool black dude twice, but when grandma needed help, they figured she'd be fine.

11/10/2016 1:15:50 PM

TerdFerguson
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To me it really doesn't matter if the FBI leaks ACTUALLY played a roll in the elections or not. It's the precedent of having a 3-letter agency attempt to influence an election. It's a completely disturbing precedent. Comey need to investigate regardless of what Trump wants to do, I know we are in the era of intelligence leaks, but it was just too much and too one-sided. If there is no investigation of the NY field office then we're left assume that Comey is complicit in the leaks.

Now that they've won, "law and order" is suddenly meaningless to conservatives.

[Edited on November 10, 2016 at 1:20 PM. Reason : Heads will roll]

11/10/2016 1:18:26 PM

OopsPowSrprs
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"when grandma needed help"


Well grandma and the boomers voted for Trump. They could have helped themselves.

[Edited on November 10, 2016 at 2:02 PM. Reason : Well fucked themselves less I guess]

11/10/2016 2:00:51 PM

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I mean you're proving my point. 9 million votes that went to Obama last time disappeared, because the Dems couldn't energize the same people needed to win. Old people historically come out and vote, whereas young people do not, unless it's someone 'cool' like Bill or Obama.

11/10/2016 2:08:51 PM

OopsPowSrprs
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I agree with all that. I just bristle when anyone blames millenials when clearly more blame resides with all the old people.

11/10/2016 2:10:41 PM

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Does it though? If millennials had gone out in the same numbers as for Obama we wouldn't have this thread. Through complacency, protest, or just plain laziness we cost ourselves this election.

Also I believe 'grandma' was a reference to Hillary. In case that wasn't clear.

[Edited on November 10, 2016 at 2:14 PM. Reason : ]

11/10/2016 2:13:18 PM

UJustWait84
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^

I'm 31 and have voted in every election that I've been old enough. I know I'm technically part of the broad category of Millennials, but culturally, politically, and socially I've always felt closer to Gen Xers. The disconnect I feel between myself and my Millennial students is palpable.

11/10/2016 2:17:00 PM

OopsPowSrprs
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Fine. Just saying if we are casting generational blame for Trump, I'm blaming the generation that voted for him.

11/10/2016 2:31:39 PM

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Except that is the same generation that votes Republican every election, more or less. Trump received mostly an equal amount of votes as McCain and Romney (within a couple hundred thousand). Hillary fell short by MILLIONS. So that's your own fault if you thought that base was going to completely shy away from a Republican nominee just because of his rhetoric.

[Edited on November 10, 2016 at 2:35 PM. Reason : ]

11/10/2016 2:35:01 PM

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"I know I'm technically part of the broad category of Millennials"


I thought Millennials were aged 21-29.

11/10/2016 2:39:24 PM

UJustWait84
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^^ yep.

If you got out and voted, nobody is blaming you. But all of your cohorts who sat around and did nothing, yet are bitching about it on Facebook can essentially go fuck themselves.

^ I hear 1980-2000 a lot, but I will take GenX gladly, even if I'm barely part of it. Haha.



[Edited on November 10, 2016 at 2:43 PM. Reason : .]

11/10/2016 2:39:40 PM

OopsPowSrprs
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"So that's your own fault if you thought that base was going to completely shy away from a Republican nomine"


I never thought they would. They were assholes when they voted Republican the last 20 cycles and they are assholes now.

[Edited on November 10, 2016 at 2:40 PM. Reason : .]

11/10/2016 2:39:57 PM

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Blaming voter blocks is pointless.

Blame the people in power who failed to sway those voter blocks.

11/10/2016 2:40:35 PM

UJustWait84
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Blaming anyone besides those who voted is pretty pointless. But it's fun to sit on your high horse if you voted the way you should have

11/10/2016 2:42:06 PM

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Personally, I can place equal (if not more) blame on those who didn't vote, especially in a case like this where it came down to a few hundred thousand votes.

11/10/2016 2:47:56 PM

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Nameless individuals within a group can't change anything. You need people with strong voices to influence them as a whole, which is why voters are targeted by campaigns in blocks. Herd the cattle, and I don't mean that in a bad way. It's just human group behavior.

11/10/2016 2:52:59 PM

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"Personally, I can place equal (if not more) blame on those who didn't vote, especially in a case like this where it came down to a few hundred thousand votes."


my vote would not have mattered. hillary won my state.

11/10/2016 3:26:55 PM

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"Unauthorized leaks, violating the Hatch act"


Lmao.

This all goes back to nominating someone under FBI investigation, you fucking hack.

11/10/2016 4:25:43 PM

NyM410
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Daycare is out!

11/10/2016 4:29:36 PM

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"This all goes back to nominating someone under FBI investigation, you fucking hack."


Right, because Trump definitely isn't caught up in any litigation.

11/10/2016 4:37:26 PM

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"Jonathan MartinVerified account
?@jmartNYT Jonathan Martin Retweeted Christopher Hayes
Clinton folks saw this by the Mon after Comey's Fri news: they said OH & IA were likely gone. By wed saw MI slip"


https://twitter.com/jmartNYT/status/796830082564231168

Like I said, Clinton's campaign made mistakes, but you can't plan for this.

[Edited on November 10, 2016 at 5:16 PM. Reason : .]

11/10/2016 5:12:56 PM

dtownral
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The primary should have been a crystal clear warning for Michigan

11/10/2016 5:18:13 PM

Pupils DiL8t
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I understand the argument that both voters turning out for Donald Trump and voters not turning out for Hillary Clinton influenced the outcome of the election; however, I feel that more weight should be given to voters turning out for Donald Trump.

As the two least popular candidates in presidential history (and with Donald Trump being even more disliked than Hillary Clinton), I would have expected both of them to have lost millions of votes this election.

11/10/2016 6:09:03 PM

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http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/hillary-clinton-aides-loss-blame-231215

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"But in general, Bill Clinton’s viewpoint of fighting for the working class white voters was often dismissed with a hand wave by senior members of the team as a personal vendetta to win back the voters who elected him, from a talented but aging politician who simply refused to accept the new Democratic map. At a meeting ahead of the convention at which aides presented to both Clintons the “Stronger Together” framework for the general election, senior strategist Joel Benenson told the former president bluntly that the voters from West Virginia were never coming back to his party."


Bill He knew, and no one listened.

11/10/2016 10:47:31 PM

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That's why he's likely to go down as the greatest campaigning president of our lifetime.


I think silently Bill is breathing a sigh of relief, I know it's his wife but still

11/10/2016 11:03:08 PM

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Right on the money

https://theintercept.com/2016/11/09/democrats-trump-and-the-ongoing-dangerous-refusal-to-learn-the-lesson-of-brexit/

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"When a political party is demolished, the principal responsibility belongs to one entity: the party that got crushed. It’s the job of the party and the candidate, and nobody else, to persuade the citizenry to support them and find ways to do that. Last night, the Democrats failed, resoundingly, to do that, and any autopsy or liberal think piece or pro-Clinton pundit commentary that does not start and finish with their own behavior is one that is inherently worthless."

11/10/2016 11:20:21 PM

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The Democrats won the popular vote but apparently they got crushed and are on the verge of collapse.

11/11/2016 12:34:34 AM

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