Every time they showed the ACC standings tonight



[Edited on February 25, 2018 at 9:27 PM. Reason : Always a pleasure to see it plastered on the Tv]

2/25/2018 9:25:57 PM

Top 25 this week?

2/25/2018 9:50:27 PM

Va Tech and Miami both received votes in this week's polls, despite being lower than us, and FSU was #25, so we should at least be getting votes. Just beat Ga Tech and Loserville and we're ranked.

2/25/2018 9:58:22 PM

I hope we stay unranked and then steam roll through the acc tourny and make a deep run through the NCAA’s. Would be good to listen to all the national “experts” say where did this team come from.

2/25/2018 10:49:40 PM

read on twitter that this is our first 4 game ACC win streak since 06

++++++cred

2/26/2018 7:18:58 AM

PI!!!11

https://packinsider.com/2018/02/27/new-mindset-order-nc-state-fans/

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"What do we do, as passionate fans, when dreams continually don’t come true? We find coping mechanisms. Here are some examples of such coping mechanisms: -Not wanting to be ranked, because we “always” lose after we get ranked -Thinking rankings don’t matter -Embracing superstitions, like #NCStateS#@t or the Law of the Wolf -As soon as our opponent goes on a run, we conclude the game is over so as to not get our hopes up"

2/27/2018 10:16:43 AM

I can't remember, was the fan base this high on Gottfried when he exceeded first year expectations and we made the tournament? I believe it's clear that Keatts is the real deal, so I'm not trying to draw a comparison between Keatts and Gott, just the fan base reaction to them both as first year head coaches.

2/27/2018 12:06:22 PM

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"I can't remember, was the fan base this high on Gottfried when he exceeded first year expectations and we made the tournament? I believe it's clear that Keatts is the real deal, so I'm not trying to draw a comparison between Keatts and Gott, just the fan base reaction to them both as first year head coaches."

I think the fanbase was certainly excited and we played really well but throughout the season we also dropped some terrible games and were generally inconsistent. It didn't matter as much because we were coming from Sydney Lowe but a consistent theme under Gott was that we would always play to the level of our opponent, either down or above.

I can't remember the last time our team was this consistent and actually put together a decent winning streak. I think we are seeing now what good coaching can do and the basketball itself is more structured, dynamic, and more importantly we adjust to situations. Gott never had a plan B.

2/27/2018 12:12:34 PM

^^https://brentroad.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=611089

(sign of the times for TWW, that thread was 50 pages at this point in the season!)

I think expectations were much higher for Gotts first season. He got a super full cupboard with an almost NBA level PG and some other high level players.

2/27/2018 12:26:40 PM

Yeah, I had forgotten what good coaching looked like. The contrast between Keatts and Lowe/Gottfried seems so obvious now. Watching the Wolfpack Hustle episodes may be indoctrinating me some too but I don't mind it.

2/27/2018 12:31:32 PM

We also had CJ Leslie and a bunch of REALLY good players that we thought Gott could do a lot with...turns out there was zero development there.

Expectations were high, but it seemed like Gott always just got hot at the right time of year.

Keatts has set the bar a lot higher.

2/27/2018 12:37:41 PM

many fans were just as high on gottfried in november of 2016[u]

2/27/2018 12:43:23 PM

No idea who that is^ got them blocked but for comparison

Gott was 9-7 in ACC his first year, never ranked and lost to UNCheat by 2 in the Semifinals of ACC tourney. Beat San Diego St. Georgetown and lost to Kansas in NCAA tournament.

2/27/2018 1:04:56 PM

^^Nah, most were at minimum pretty pissed about the constant transfers over his years even if they were optimistic about what DSJ could do.

Then we shit the bed in the ACC.

There is always the first year optimism for any coach, but I think it's pretty clear Keatts has done much more with less than Gott.

[Edited on February 27, 2018 at 1:06 PM. Reason : d]

2/27/2018 1:05:14 PM

If anything...this just shows how fucking terrible Sidney Lowe was. He made Gott look like a really good coach (had me fooled for a bit).

2/27/2018 1:05:43 PM

that red sport coat tho

2/27/2018 1:13:59 PM

I agree on the set the bar much higher comment. Gott's teams were never composed. Keatts has managed to do a lot more with a lot less because he actually has developed certain players IMO. Just look at the improvement by Yurtseven this year.

I think state fans were cautiously optimistic that Gott can get us to being a tournament team because of his final four appearance and recruiting potential but he was never a good coach and players never seemed disciplined. I personally said making the NIT would be a good step forward and we did a lot better than that. With Keatts I think the expectation is that we have a young coach that has massive potential to be the next big thing in college basketball. Lets give him time and see where he can take us.

We have progressively gotten better as the season has gone on and that to me speaks volumes. That said Gott's teams could certainly turn it up in the tournament.

2/27/2018 2:00:37 PM

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"I can't remember the last time our team was this consistent and actually put together a decent winning streak. "

along those lines, i haven't feel this good about our chances heading into the ACCT in a loonnng time. i know there's still 2 games to go. and i'm not saying we will or we should win the whole ACCT. but in the recent past when we've made a run to the ACC semis or finals it's felt like a real underdog, out of nowhere run to the finals. we made surprising runs deeper into the ACCT...a lot of times out desperation. if we were to do it this year it wouldn't quite feel that way...because the regular season has generally been so consistent and strong, especially down the stretch. i'm not saying we should expect to win the ACCT or anything...just that it doesn't seem nearly as far fetched this year as it has in years where we have made a run.

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"With Keatts I think the expectation is that we have a young coach that has massive potential to be the next big thing in college basketball."

i think this is a good point. with Gott, while there was optimism about him (impossible to deny the optimism around Gott..even as recent as 15 months ago) there was also that "re-tread" quality he always had. and he talked about how being away from coaching and working at ESPN for a couple years gave him different perspective. but it was still something that was present...he had failed at P5 level before. KK has the up and coming quality Gott never had. and i'm not trying to go revisionist history here saying that we were all always highly skeptical of Gott, because there were times of high optimism. but the moment KK was hired there was a sense of "this could be a great hire". with Gott it was "this might end up working out ok"

[Edited on February 27, 2018 at 2:35 PM. Reason : f]

2/27/2018 2:24:45 PM

I feel the same way about an ACCT run--especially if we can get the double bye. Probably helps that there are no unbeatable teams in the ACC this year.

2/27/2018 2:38:07 PM

well no team was ever unbeatable but uva is the least beatable acc team in recent history

[Edited on February 27, 2018 at 6:10 PM. Reason : $-1]

2/27/2018 6:09:01 PM

UVA shows us every year that the only thing you need to beat them is an officiating crew that doesn't let them play their brand of (foul) defense

2/27/2018 8:25:11 PM

I agree on the point about the ACC Tournament. I think this is legit our best shot at it. Win the next two and we only have to play 3 more games to win the whole thing. It certainly doesn't mean I expect to win it but man I can't remember having a better shot in my 10 years as a state fan. Perhaps the semi final where we got robbed by the refs but even that was tough since the team was undoubtedly fatigued down the road.

2/27/2018 8:32:30 PM

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"UVA shows us every year that the only thing you need to beat them is an officiating crew that doesn't let them play their brand of (foul) defense"

This is bad even for a cherrypicking nitpicker. You chose the wrong area to criticize them considering they usually lose because of offense, specifically going cold from deep.

Its almost like you just copy pasted criticism of WVU's defense which is a polar opposite style. UVA's defense is effective mostly because they play guard you by position without fouling. Its not like they are out there pressing and forcing turnovers.

Even if your point was valid or based on facts(its not), you'd be implying

a. the ACC refs have a conspiracy to help UVA win (or else your statement would simply be "all you need is the refs to call the game completely against them and they will lose" and apply to every team ever. )

b. games are called more tightly in their losses

c. games are called consistently losse all year

none of that makes sense. If you want to argue UVA is a pretender, at least criticize them for their offense which is only ranked 53.

2/28/2018 12:26:22 AM

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"I agree on the point about the ACC Tournament. I think this is legit our best shot at it. Win the next two and we only have to play 3 more games to win the whole thing. It certainly doesn't mean I expect to win it but man I can't remember having a better shot in my 10 years as a state fan. Perhaps the semi final where we got robbed by the refs but even that was tough since the team was undoubtedly fatigued down the road. "

to find a better chance for us to win/not have to go on a miracle run...you'd probably have to go back to 04. we were the 2 seed and lost to MD in the semis in that game where we blew like a 19 point half time lead (i think the infamous technical for wiping the sweaty floor)

2/28/2018 7:08:36 AM

^^They usually lose because of offense because ACC refs who study their tendencies allow them to play a handsy, reach-in filled, bodied-up defense that other ACC teams get regularly called as fouls.

The ACC refs don't have a conspiracy to help anyone specifically, but because they choose to study teams behaviors and let their "tendencies" affect the way they referee Bennett has managed to create a team that gets a lot of leeway on defense because he's branded his team as super defense oriented.

And when you take that away, a la the NCAA tournament, UVA never does all that well.

2/28/2018 9:31:09 AM

thats not true either. the worst thing uva has done in the tournament is lose to final 4 teams with hall of fame coaches. according to you, theyd be losing to friedman college in the opening game

[Edited on February 28, 2018 at 11:51 AM. Reason : they shot 6% from 3 in one and lost their leader in another]

2/28/2018 11:49:14 AM

I remember when Earl was hyping up UVA's Elite 8, while shitting on State's various Sweet 16s

2/28/2018 2:28:42 PM

Keatts media day before heading into the next two games. Also shares some of his thoughts on the “one and done” rule. I love this guy!

https://youtu.be/fhw6RajlwZQ

2/28/2018 7:13:17 PM

http://www.newsobserver.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/luke-decock/article202713849.html

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"There's no question Keatts is the ACC's coach of the year "

2/28/2018 7:16:41 PM

He makes some good points.

3/1/2018 10:20:58 AM

If UVA wasn't the #1 team in the country, Keatts would have a really strong chance at winning it.

Let's see if we actually win the next 2 before we start handing out any awards. UVA is a lock to finish 1st in the ACC, we might not even finish top 5(and thus would end really any argument Keatts would have).

3/1/2018 10:35:39 AM

I agree, but my original statement included the 3 place finish as a caveat. I get it, Bennett will get it, but Keatts should, if we finish 3rd.

3/1/2018 1:40:30 PM

I would like to see zone at times when opponent so easily gets to the rim.

[Edited on March 1, 2018 at 10:02 PM. Reason : Don’t think we’ve gone zone all year so I know we shouldn’t expect it]

3/1/2018 10:01:29 PM

Seems like that's a risk of playing a 4 guard lineup

3/1/2018 10:02:05 PM

RPI 61 after that loss

3/1/2018 10:03:30 PM

^^ yeah. And Beverly, who had another good offensive game, just couldn’t do anything on defense. That’s just what you get with him.

3/1/2018 10:07:31 PM

Well now we're in some deep shit after that Virginia/Louisville ending

3/1/2018 10:15:09 PM

^why?

3/1/2018 10:28:29 PM

Anything outside of the double bye ain’t winning the acc tourney. So if we aren’t finishing 3/4, it barely matters. We should have already done enough to make the ncaa tourney regardless of the ul game on Saturday.

3/1/2018 10:48:48 PM

a non-double-bye team has to win it eventually

3/1/2018 10:59:21 PM

we have to win another game to make the tournament. its ridiculous but theres no way we're safe with the way rpi is looking

[Edited on March 1, 2018 at 11:01 PM. Reason : k]

3/1/2018 11:00:48 PM

^ pretty ignorant statement

3/1/2018 11:28:15 PM

didn't Duke win last year without the double bye

3/2/2018 12:27:34 AM

apparently so

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_ACC_Men%27s_Basketball_Tournament

3/2/2018 12:28:47 AM

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"we have to win another game to make the tournament. its ridiculous but theres no way we're safe with the way rpi is looking"

The RPI is blown out of proportion. That's just something people in the news and on message boards like to talk about. We have the quality wins, are hot during the second half of the season, and our worst losses aren't looking too bad. UNCG has a pretty good record, and UNI is going to finish at least .500 on the season.

3/2/2018 8:19:49 AM

The best I can gather after the damage has settled is that we're still safe as of now, and probably still would be after the Louisville loss (might be in Dayton territory). I don't see any way we're in if we lose out. And just winning one in the tournament is dicey, if our run there goes something like - beat Georgia Tech, lose to another bubble team I think that'd put us right on the cut line and then you're reduced to arbitrary whims of a bunch of old fucks who hopefully watched the first UNC game.

3/2/2018 5:04:16 PM

^ Seems accurate in my opinion but what do I know

3/2/2018 6:17:37 PM

On the other hand, beat Louisville and it's pretty much a lock. There's probably a series of bizarre events that includes a loss to Wake Forest and a bunch of bid stealers that could still screw us over, but I think that's pretty remote.

3/2/2018 9:00:15 PM

"What do you guys call it, that NC State stuff? What is that; I don't know what that is. Right now we've been able to stuff the stuff. I would love to not hear the NC State stuff anymore after this regular season."

3/3/2018 8:58:53 PM

Loved him having the seniors speak after the game great regular season far exceeding my expectations

3/3/2018 9:20:24 PM