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rjrumfel
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What the NCAA is doing to North Carolina is nothing short of extortion. Those were Dan Forrest's words and I completely agree. Regardless of how you feel about HB2, people should see this and know what is really going on, and if the GA caves to organizations like the NCAA, this could be a very slippery slope.

This could pave the way for all kinds of organizations punishing local and state governments for any number of regulations or laws that they don't like. So in this case, we shouldn't call it HB2, we should call it "Any bill that a popular organization or business doesn't like." Because one day, the tables could turn, and NCAA could become right of center and punish a government for some left of center policy.

So kudos to the GA for not giving in, and NCAA tournaments, don't let the door hit you in the tail on the way out. Have fun having your games in SC where the stadiums are set up next to Confederate flags.

3/29/2017 9:45:25 AM

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lol

3/29/2017 9:53:18 AM

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"Extortion. The obtaining of property from another induced by wrongful use of actual or threatened force, violence, or fear, or under color of official right."


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"extortion
n. obtaining money or property by threat to a victim's property or loved ones, intimidation, or false claim of a right "


So tell me again what property/money the NCAA is obtaining from North Carolina? How much is the NCAA making the state of NC pay them in order to bring the games back? It is a privilege to host the NCAA tournament games, not a right. And any organization should have the right to pick and choose what states it caters due given that state's policies.

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"This could pave the way for all kinds of organizations punishing local and state governments for any number of regulations or laws that they don't like."


What the NCAA is doing is no different than any other big company/organization spending $$$ lobbying to get a law made/changed that they don't like. They just don't have to spend money to do so...

[Edited on March 29, 2017 at 10:20 AM. Reason : ...]

3/29/2017 10:19:38 AM

ElGimpy
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Let's assume your premise is correct, that the NCAA shouldn't be doing this. How would you propose we fix this?

3/29/2017 10:57:00 AM

thegoodlife3
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glad to see you're back to your old ways

because holy shit

3/29/2017 11:11:17 AM

dtownral
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This afternoon I'm going to extort Hobby Lobby by not shopping there

3/29/2017 11:13:56 AM

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"Because one day, the tables could turn, and NCAA could become right of center and punish a government for some left of center policy."


this is just absurd

I'd love to know hear how you think this would go down

[Edited on March 29, 2017 at 11:18 AM. Reason : lol at the notion of the NCAA being "left of center"]

3/29/2017 11:17:15 AM

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Back to my old ways?

Isn't the NCAA a tax exempt organization? I could see where someone could call this extortion because they don't pay taxes yet bring in millions of dollars, then try to use their power and influence to coerce a state government into doing something they don't agree with.

The entire HB2 thing has been such a dumb, shitty stupid bill to begin with, and the nation's reaction to it has been just as stupid.

^^Sure the premise is absurd, but I just used that example to show that this would be a slippery slope, if the GA gave in to the kind of threats they're getting from the NCAA.

This example is kinda funny, but what if NASCAR threatened to pull out of CA over some of their state laws? Same kind of idea. I doubt many Californians would care but same idea.

[Edited on March 29, 2017 at 11:52 AM. Reason : asdfasd]

3/29/2017 11:48:49 AM

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Why is that Republicans love free market ideas except when it backfires against them?

3/29/2017 11:51:33 AM

rjrumfel
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Make the NCAA pay taxes then we can talk about free market.

3/29/2017 11:52:47 AM

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"Let's assume your premise is correct, that the NCAA shouldn't be doing this. How would you propose we fix this?

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3/29/2017 11:53:01 AM

thegoodlife3
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^4 your ways of being averse to logic/letting your dislike of transpeople cloud your judgement

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"Have fun having your games in SC where the stadiums are set up next to Confederate flags."


the NCAA stayed out of SC for years because of that flag being flown at the capital. were they extorting SC then?

[Edited on March 29, 2017 at 12:16 PM. Reason : .]

3/29/2017 11:54:30 AM

rjrumfel
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^Did they actively send messages to the SC GA to take the flag down or else?

How do we fix it? We wait until 2018, vote the current GA out and get in lawmakers who aren't hell-bent on doing what they think their conservative base wants. Cooper is also complicit in not having this bill repealed already.

I agree it needs to go, but I'm tired of all this "boycott NC" mess.

And what specific aversion to logic are you talking about?

[Edited on March 29, 2017 at 12:23 PM. Reason : asda]

3/29/2017 12:21:13 PM

thegoodlife3
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Cooper doesn't have the authority to do anything regarding the bill

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"Did they actively send messages to the SC GA to take the flag down or else?"


is "we aren't coming to your state if that flag is flying at the capital" different than "we aren't coming to your state if that bill is in place"?

3/29/2017 12:25:13 PM

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So you create a thread in which you are lambasting the NCAA for their reaction to HB2, I ask you what you propose we do about this, and your fix is to vote in people who will repeal HB2?

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you just didn't understand my question.

You have a problem with what the NCAA is doing, what do you propose is the solution to that specific issue of yours with regards to the NCAA actions?

3/29/2017 12:31:02 PM

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And what is your stance on businesses refusing service to members of the LGBT community?

3/29/2017 12:34:44 PM

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A lot of other businesses have refused to do business in NC because of HB2. Are they extortionist too? Why are you singling out NCAA?

3/29/2017 1:08:51 PM

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Rather than slinging around the word "extortion" North Carolina should take responsibility for its actions and fuckin deal with it.

3/29/2017 1:42:39 PM

thegoodlife3
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safe to assume that this "extortion" line would've been used if there were Jim Crow laws still on the books and the NCAA decided against holding events here?

3/29/2017 1:53:07 PM

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"This example is kinda funny, but what if NASCAR threatened to pull out of CA over some of their state laws? Same kind of idea. I doubt many Californians would care but same idea."


dawg, even NASCAR came out against HB2

http://www.hrc.org/blog/nascar-stands-against-north-carolinas-anti-lgbt-law

but, theoretically, if some organization threatened to leave a state because of gay marriage or something, i'd say fuck right off, byeeee

3/29/2017 3:09:36 PM

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I extorted McDonalds today by eating a sandwich at my desk

3/29/2017 3:16:53 PM

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"FIRST FOUR -- DAYTON, OH

Tuesday, 3/14/2017
(16a) New Orleans vs. (16b) Mount Saint Mary's -- Brent Hampton, Jeb Hartness, Steve McJunkins
(11a) Wake Forest vs. (11b) Kansas State -- Jeffrey Anderson, Bill McCarthy, Nate Farrell

Wednesday, 3/15/2017
(16a) NC Central vs. (16b) UC Davis -- LaMar Simpson, Tony Chiazza, Todd Austin
(11a) Providence vs. (11b) USC -- Bo Boroski, Bill Covington Jr., Nate Harris

ROUND OF 64

Thursday, 3/16/2017
BUFFALO
(5) Notre Dame vs. (12) Princeton -- Paul Szelc, Anthony Jordan, Bill McCarthy
(4) West Virginia vs. (13) Bucknell -- Pat Driscoll, Bert Smith, Vladmir Voyard-Tadal
(1) Villanova vs. (11) Mount Saint Mary's -- Tony Padilla, Mike Scyphers, Dwayne Gladden
(8) Wisconsin vs. (9) Viginia Tech -- Jeffrey Anderson, Gregory Nixon, Gary Prager

ORLANDO
(5) Virginia vs. (12) UNC Wilmington -- Karl Hess, Pat Adams, Bill Ek
(4) Florida vs. (13) East Tennessee State -- Mike Eades, Larry Scirotto, Rod Dixon
(6) Maryland vs. (11) Xavier -- Doug Shows, Gerry Pollard, AJ Desai
(3) Florida State vs. (14) Florida Gulf Coast -- Terry Wymer, Tim Clougherty, Pat Evans

MILWAUKEE
(4) Butler vs. (13) Winthrop -- Ted Valentine, Deron White, Jerry Heater
(5) Minnesota vs. (12) Middle Tennessee State -- Tony Green, Kelly Self, James Breeding
(4) Purdue vs. (13) Vermont -- Ed Corbett, Earl Walton, Randy Heimerman
(5) Iowa State vs. (12) Nevada -- John Gaffney, Donnie Eppley, Michael Irving

SALT LAKE CITY
(1) Gonzaga vs. (16) South Dakota State -- Jeff Clark, Eric Curry, Larry Spaulding
(8) Northwestern vs. (9) Vanderbilt -- John Higgins, Kevin Brill, Tommy Nunez Jr.
(7) Saint Mary's [CA] vs. (10) VCU -- Chris Rastatter, Brent Hampton, Marques Pettigrew
(2) Arizona vs. (15) North Dakota -- Kelly Pfeifer, Ron Groover, Antinio Petty

Friday, 3/17/2017
INDIANAPOLIS
(7) Michigan vs. (10) Oklahoma State -- Roger Ayres, Byron Jarrett, Tony Chiazza
(2) Louisville vs. (15) Jacksonville State -- Mike Roberts, Tony Henderson, Rob Riley
(7) Dayton vs. (10) Wichita State -- Randy McCall, Jeb Hartness, Bret Smith
(2) Kentucky vs. (15) Northern Kentucky -- Brian O'Connell, Lamar Simpson, Raymond Styons

TULSA
(3) Baylor vs. (14) New Mexico State -- Gene Steratore, Jamie Luckie, Evan Burroughs
(6) SMU vs. (11) USC -- Joe Lindsay, Matt Potter, Ray Natali
(1) Kansas vs. (16) UC Davis -- DJ Carstensen, Deldre Carr, Ray Acosta
(6) Miami [FL] vs. (9) Michigan State -- Rick Crawford, Don Daily, Michael Stephens

GREENVILLE
(8) Arkansas vs. (9) Seton Hall -- Doug Sirmons, David Hall, Mike Nance
(1) North Carolina vs. (16) Texas Southern -- Paul Faia, Mike Reed, Les Jones
(2) Duke vs. (15) Troy -- Tim Nestor, Darron George, Lamont Simpson
(7) South Carolina vs. (10) Marquette -- Michael Greenstein, Bo Boroski, Olandis Poole

SACRAMENTO
(3) Oregon vs. (14) Iona -- Sean Casey, Terry Oglesby, Bill Covington
(6) Creighton vs. (11) Rhode Island -- Bob Staffen, Mark Schur, Keith Kimble
(6) Cincinnati vs. (11) Kansas State -- Verne Harris, Lee Cassell, Clarence Armstrong
(3) UCLA vs. (14) Kent State -- Chris Beaver, Kipp Kissinger, Brandon Cruz

ROUND OF 32

Saturday, 3/18/2017
BUFFALO
(5) Notre Dame vs. (4) West Virginia -- Paul Szelc, Tony Padilla, Jeffrey Anderson
(8) Wisconsin vs. (1) Villanova -- Anthony Jordan, Pat Driscoll, Gregory Nixon

ORLANDO
(11) Xavier vs. (3) Florida State -- Tim Clougherty, Pat Adams, Mike Eades
(5) Virginia vs. (5) Florida -- Terry Wymer, Doug Shows, Larry Scirotto

MILWAUKEE
(12) Middle Tennessee State vs. (4) Butler -- John Gaffney, Ed Corbett, Michael Irving
(5) Iowa State vs. (5) Purdue -- Earl Walton, James Breeding, Ted Valentine

SALT LAKE CITY
(8) Northwestern vs. (1) Gonzaga -- Chris Rastatter, Jeff Clark, Brent Hampton
(7) St. Mary's [CA] vs. (2) Arizona -- John Higgins, Eric Curry, Ron Groover

Sunday, 3/19/2017
INDIANAPOLIS
(7) Michigan vs. (2) Louisville -- Randy McCall, Lamar Simpson, Jeb Hartness
(10) Wichita State vs. (2) Kentucky -- Mike Roberts, Brian O'Connell, Roger Ayers

TULSA
(9) Michigan State vs. (1) Kansas -- Jamie Luckie, Gene Steratore, Ray Natili
(11) USC vs. (3) Baylor -- Don Daily, Michael Stephens, Joe Lindsay

GREENVILLE
(8) Arkansas vs. (1) North Carolina -- Bo Boroski, Darron George, Lamont Simpson
(7) South Carolina vs. (2) Duke -- David Hall, Doug Sirmons, Mike Reed

SACRAMENTO
(11) Rhode Island vs. (3) Oregon -- Kipp Kissinger, Terry Oglesby, Bill Covington Jr.
(6) Cincinnati vs. (3) UCLA -- Keith Kimble, Verne Harris, Lee Cassell

SWEET SIXTEEN

Thursday, 3/23/2017
KANSAS CITY
(7) Michigan vs. (3) Oregon -- Roger Ayres, Earl Walton, Brian O'Connell
(4) Purdue vs. (1) Kansas -- Doug Sirmons, Lee Cassell, Bill Covington

SAN JOSE
(4) West Virginia vs. (1) Gonzaga -- Eric Curry, Jamie Luckie, Lamont Simpson
(11) Xavier vs. (2) Arizona -- Terry Wymer, Pat Adams, DJ Carstensen

Friday, 3/24/2017
MEMPHIS
(4) Butler vs. (1) North Carolina -- Doug Shows, LaMar Simpson, Joe Lindsay
(3) UCLA vs. (2) Kentucky -- Bo Boroski, Tony Padilla, Don Daily

NEW YORK
(7) South Carolina vs. (3) Baylor -- Mike Roberts, John Gaffney, Gene Steratore
(8) Wisconsin vs. (4) Florida -- Verne Harris, Tim Clougherty, Jeb Hartness

ELITE EIGHT

Saturday, 3/25/2017
KANSAS CITY
(1) Kansas vs. (3) Oregon -- Randy McCall, Ted Valentine, Terry Oglesby

SAN JOSE
(1) Gonzaga vs. (11) Xavier -- Kipp Kissinger, Michael Stephens, James Breeding

Sunday, 3/26/2017
MEMPHIS
(1) North Carolina vs. (2) Kentucky -- John Higgins, Keith Kimble, Mike Reed

NEW YORK
(4) Florida vs. (7) South Carolina -- Mike Eades, Jeff Anderson, Ron Groover

FINAL FOUR -- PHOENIX, AZ

Saturday, 4/1/2017
(1) Gonzaga vs. (7) South Carolina -- John Higgins, Ted Valentine, Doug Sirmons, alternate: Terry Oglesby
(1) North Carolina vs. (3) Oregon -- Ron Groover, Jeff Anderson, Tony Padilla, alternate: Terry Oglesby

Monday, 4/3/2017
() vs. () -- Mike Eades, Verne Harris, Michael Stephens, alternate: Terry Oglesby "


do any of these refs identify as female?

3/29/2017 7:23:38 PM

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also the ncaa is basically refusing to sell wedding cakes to north carolinians


[Edited on March 29, 2017 at 8:37 PM. Reason : whatever ]

3/29/2017 8:36:32 PM

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The ncaa is the buyer you moron

[Edited on March 29, 2017 at 9:35 PM. Reason : .]

3/29/2017 9:34:19 PM

Dentaldamn
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the NCAA doesn't want to buy your ugly cake.

3/29/2017 10:00:54 PM

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"Make the NCAA pay taxes then we can talk about free market."


The irony that not until you are forced to pay taxes are you in a "free" market.

The guy that wrote this is about the dumbest fuck on the internet.

3/29/2017 10:29:42 PM

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"The ncaa is the buyer you moron"


both parties are making money.

there appears to be a compromise bill that will pass. rolls laws back to pre hb2. hopefully that will be enough to get the basketball back in NC

http://www.wral.com/lawmakers-reach-agreement-in-hb2-repeal/16614249/

3/30/2017 5:35:48 AM

dtownral
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The NCAA is the buyer you moron

3/30/2017 5:45:04 AM

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ok ok youre right

stop hurting me with meanie words

3/30/2017 6:21:08 AM

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There's absolutely a case to be made that both the NCAA and the ACC should lose their tax-exempt status over their actions regarding HB2. This is about as clear-cut a case of a tax-exempt organization engaging in political activity as you are likely ever to see. And I say this as someone who thinks HB2 is fucking stupid.

I also find it interesting how all the TWW liberals, who are usually so pissed off about corporations trying to influence gov't laws, look at this situation and say "hey, man, it's just business!" Cognitive dissonance is a bitch, isn't it?

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"So tell me again what property/money the NCAA is obtaining from North Carolina? How much is the NCAA making the state of NC pay them in order to bring the games back? It is a privilege to host the NCAA tournament games, not a right. And any organization should have the right to pick and choose what states it caters due given that state's policies."

Damn you sure chose a cherry-picked definition of "extortion." It is possible to extort more than just property or a physical thing from someone. The NCAA's and ACC's actions absolutely fit a general definition of the term, even it doesn't fit a legal one.

https://www.google.com/search?q=define%3Aextortion
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"ex·tor·tion
ik'stôrSH(?)n/
noun
the practice of obtaining something, especially money, through force or threats."

Yes, it says "especially money," but it doesn't say "only money;" it says "something," and I'd classify a legislature passing or repealing a bill as "something."

[Edited on March 31, 2017 at 12:48 AM. Reason : ]

3/31/2017 12:28:21 AM

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"I also find it interesting how all the TWW liberals, who are usually so pissed off about corporations trying to influence gov't laws, look at this situation and say "hey, man, it's just business!" Cognitive dissonance is a bitch, isn't it?"


big fucking difference between threatening to move your business and literally funding a politician's re-election

3/31/2017 1:01:22 AM

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"There's absolutely a case to be made that both the NCAA and the ACC should lose their tax-exempt status over their actions regarding HB2. This is about as clear-cut a case of a tax-exempt organization engaging in political activity as you are likely ever to see. And I say this as someone who thinks HB2 is fucking stupid."


A couple things. First, Federal law (not sure about state law) allows an organization to maintain tax-exemp status so long as a "substantial part" of their resources aren't used for political activity. I have no idea what "substantial part" is legally defined as (neither does the IRS or FEC), but I seriously doubt the NCAA's HB2 activities are even close to that threshold.

Second, A 501c is still allowed to participate in issue based advocacy. Like a guns rights group could run ads against a gun control bill, but as soon as they say "vote for ....." they've allegedly crossed the line. That assumes the FEC can overcome its gridlock to enforce anything, ever. But I'd say NCAA fight against HB2 was strictly issue based, they never came out and said "vote for cooper!!"

Lastly, you'd have to line the NCAA behind the THOUSANDS (10s of thousands?) of organizations that are pushing the legal envelope on these rules before you could punish the NCAA. The Heritage Foundation is a tax exempt 501c for god sakes. They've gotten away with it for decades.

I'd like to see tax-exempt/political activity rules improved significantly, but this NCAA boycott is hardly the most egregious example of an org pushing that rule. To whine about it now, after conservatives for years have sought to weaken these rules, is just sour grapes.

3/31/2017 5:01:21 AM

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How about a compromise, we remove NCAA/ACC tax exemption but also remove exemption for churches

3/31/2017 6:16:56 AM

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If the NCAA can lose tax expect statutes for moving some of their operations to states they already operate in than the Catholic Church needs to start prepping their lawyers.

3/31/2017 7:56:38 AM

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^^I'm good with that. Churches try their best to push political influence on their members. Besides, the country could use the revenue. And by all means, let's remove tax exempt status from the NFL. Why in the world do they even have it? But that's a discussion for another thread.

And lol at that guy calling me the stupidest person on the internet. Apparently he's never ready youtube comments.

3/31/2017 8:01:25 AM

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"the practice of obtaining something, especially money, through force or threats.""


And what EXACTLY is the "Something" that the NCAA is obtaining from the State of NC.

What is the benefit the NCAA has of hosting games here?

The NCAA has basically already shown that they don't care if games are hosted here.

So what is it? What is that "something" that the NCAA is extorting or obtaining from the State of NC? The repeal of the bill? HB2 or no HB2 the NCAA doesn't stand to benefit from the decision...



[Edited on March 31, 2017 at 11:26 AM. Reason : .]

3/31/2017 11:23:05 AM

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"Quote :
"There's absolutely a case to be made that both the NCAA and the ACC should lose their tax-exempt status over their actions regarding HB2. This is about as clear-cut a case of a tax-exempt organization engaging in political activity as you are likely ever to see. And I say this as someone who thinks HB2 is fucking stupid."


A couple things. First, Federal law (not sure about state law) allows an organization to maintain tax-exemp status so long as a "substantial part" of their resources aren't used for political activity. I have no idea what "substantial part" is legally defined as (neither does the IRS or FEC), but I seriously doubt the NCAA's HB2 activities are even close to that threshold.

Second, A 501c is still allowed to participate in issue based advocacy. Like a guns rights group could run ads against a gun control bill, but as soon as they say "vote for ....." they've allegedly crossed the line. That assumes the FEC can overcome its gridlock to enforce anything, ever. But I'd say NCAA fight against HB2 was strictly issue based, they never came out and said "vote for cooper!!"

Lastly, you'd have to line the NCAA behind the THOUSANDS (10s of thousands?) of organizations that are pushing the legal envelope on these rules before you could punish the NCAA. The Heritage Foundation is a tax exempt 501c for god sakes. They've gotten away with it for decades.

I'd like to see tax-exempt/political activity rules improved significantly, but this NCAA boycott is hardly the most egregious example of an org pushing that rule. To whine about it now, after conservatives for years have sought to weaken these rules, is just sour grapes."


this is perfect

3/31/2017 12:52:59 PM

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"Bathrooms must be integrated, sports must remain separate" - NCAA

This kind of corporate politically correct pussy-ness will continue as long as over half of our population is so susceptible to being brainwashed by made up issues like HB2.

3/31/2017 1:16:12 PM

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As usual. JCE has a fundamental misunderstanding of the situation.

3/31/2017 1:28:48 PM

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Or I don't do mental gymnastics when I hear the words "equality" and "human rights" like you do in your religious cult of social justice.

3/31/2017 1:55:00 PM

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lol, Hannity or someone must have started using the buzz-word "religious cult of social justice" a lot recently, I think this JCE-guy has used it a dozen times in the last week.

3/31/2017 2:07:30 PM

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Because religion is the only other time I've seen such irrationale group-think where people convince themselves something that doesn't exist is true.

3/31/2017 2:46:57 PM

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is it an insult?

3/31/2017 3:00:55 PM

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the replacement bill should have said that cities can pass non-discrimination ordinances as soon as the NCAA and ACC have basketball events in NC

3/31/2017 7:37:49 PM

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And what EXACTLY is the "Something" that the NCAA is obtaining from the State of NC.

What is the benefit the NCAA has of hosting games here? "

Ummm, the legislation is the "something." It doesn't have to be a benefit to be a "something." You're not very good with words, are you?

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"How about a compromise, we remove NCAA/ACC tax exemption but also remove exemption for churches"

I am perfectly fine with that.

4/4/2017 12:32:03 AM

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they're trying to change the MEANING of WORDS

4/4/2017 5:06:00 PM

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http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketball/news/north-carolina-hb2-acc-championships-ncaa-boycott-unc-nc-state/rqtmr53jqdub12gtili3pwdei

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"North Carolina lawmakers threaten to pull UNC, N.C. State from ACC if conference boycotts state again "


Hell yea get fucked you virtue-signaling leftist scum

4/12/2017 12:05:39 PM

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Lol

4/12/2017 12:08:59 PM

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4/12/2017 12:13:44 PM

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^^^the less that people pay attention to this troll and the less he gets responses, the more abrasive his posts get. it's sad, he just wants some attention, even if it's negative attention on the internet.

4/12/2017 12:16:50 PM

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