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TreeTwista10
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Luke has been drinking weird milk since ANH

12/20/2017 8:53:32 PM

justinh524
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" but it didn't ruin the whole fucking movie."


Of course it didn't ruin the movie, it was the best part!

12/20/2017 9:02:38 PM

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Wraith in particular ought to have known better with this one:

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"How did the code breaker know the Resistance's plan to sneak onto the planet when he sold them out? Finn and Rose didn't even know it. They came back from hyperspace and as far as they knew, their mission was to just shut down the tracking device."


When Poe discovers Holdo's plan to evacuate the transports, he gets on the horn with Finn and Rose to tell them and see how close they are. DJ is sitting right there and hears Poe relate the plan. It's not even subtle--the fucking camera cuts to a close shot of him listening in. You see everything on the motherfucker's face. Sit forward in your seat and keep your eyes open, God damn.

12/20/2017 9:04:07 PM

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^^^Chewbacca just saw his best friend get murdered by what I assume is the interspecies equivalent of his godson. He's going through some shit right now. I'm OK with him being a little more emotional.

12/20/2017 9:04:59 PM

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When the trailer for episode nina drops, how hard are you going to cum when Rey lights up her double blade saber?

12/21/2017 10:50:54 AM

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i'm really holding out for episode Pinta

12/21/2017 12:45:39 PM

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Waiting patiently for Ep Santa Maria.

12/21/2017 1:22:04 PM

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and ill hold out for episode sjws erasing history

12/21/2017 3:27:32 PM

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Earl's been redpilled

12/21/2017 3:46:08 PM

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Is it wrong to assume Snokes guards in red were the other Jedi being trained by Luke at the temple that left with Ren after fighting off Luke? Didn’t Luke say he killed a few that were being trained and the others left with him?

If not doesn’t that mean there are other quasi trained Jedi out there somewhere?

12/21/2017 7:33:24 PM

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knights of ren were bult up in TFA and left out of this movie because FUCK YOU

12/21/2017 7:47:22 PM

justinh524
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Don't assume things.

12/21/2017 8:08:41 PM

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Just wanted to check that they didn’t actually address what happened to the apparent other living luke trained Jedi Ren didn’t kill

12/21/2017 8:43:27 PM

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knights of ren All Star Wars lore were bult up in TFA all the other movies and left out of this movie because FUCK YOU

FTFY

12/22/2017 3:17:10 AM

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I'm betting they were intentionally referenced in this movie to leave open the possibility that they will feature in the plot of Episode IX. Kylo might need an apprentice, or something.

12/22/2017 9:57:49 AM

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Well all of snoke's guards are dead now, so I'm pretty sure they weren't the knights of Ren (also I would assume they would have some allegiance to Ren since they're named after him.)

12/22/2017 12:07:04 PM

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Late to the party, but besides everything that was said, my biggest complaint is that it didn't leave me wanting more or wanting to see episode 9.

The rebellion is now apparently 20 people big? Ignoring the implausibility of this, how is this going to be fixed in a single movie? You have a single 2h30min to rebuild the Alliance, defeat the First Order, wrap up Kylo Ren's arc, and address whatever you're going to do with the Jedi? I just don't think it can be done.

In the OT, at least you had the alliance slowly growing stronger from rag tag group to legitimate threat to the Empire. Rogue One really added to this as well. Now you have the reverse, the Alliance being destroyed, the rebellion being crushed to one ship and 20 or so people, etc.

12/22/2017 3:23:33 PM

justinh524
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20 people plus some slave kids

12/22/2017 3:52:43 PM

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Theyre the spark that lights the flame

12/22/2017 4:28:09 PM

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"In the OT, at least you had the alliance slowly growing stronger from rag tag group to legitimate threat to the Empire."


It isn't as though you saw that happening. The OT didn't really give us much in terms of the ebb and flow of the Rebellion. The base at Yavin had some fighters. Hoth had fighters and transports, but then suddenly also there were a bunch of larger ships out at the edge of the galaxy. No explanation of where those came from, or when.

Y'all act like the original movies explained any of the shit going on, but they really didn't. Sometime between V and VI Luke went from being an impetuous twerp to smooth Jedi pimp with a new lightsaber, and we didn't need to have our hands held through that. We accepted that it was a thing that happened and didn't need to be shown.

Everybody's bitching that we didn't get any Snoke backstory. I would have loved to get that story, too, but it's not like the original movies gave us any explanation about the Emperor. Then they gave us a trilogy of movies that did provide the backstory, and we all hated them.

I mean, Jesus Christ. No, this is not one of the greatest movies ever made. It is a solid or at least acceptable entry into the franchise which continues the story and retains many of the flaws that have haunted it since the original (including plot holes, silly dialogue, and weak lead actors). It did not transform the way we look at movies in the way ANH did, because it couldn't do that and still be a Star Wars movie.

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You know, one thing I wanted to ask if anybody else noticed was the absence of in-universe vernacular. I picked up on it with the battering ram on Crait, when Finn says "It'll crack that door like an egg." I feel like, in the original movies, that almost certainly would have been expressed with some Star Wars metaphor - "It'll crack that door like a Pookha shell" or some shit. I can't think of a single example of that sort of talk from this picture - every line of dialogue seemed to be 2017 American English with nothing fantastical to spice it up.

I'm not necessarily complaining - in fact, one of the reasons I've never been able to get into the Star Wars books is the authors' insistence on using an in-universe metaphor for every fucking comparison. But it did stand out to me.

12/22/2017 5:22:30 PM

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20 people is the active resistance. But remember they are calling people for help before Luke shows up.

Whether those people couldn't make it in time, or they didn't show up because they thought it was futile and didn't come, after hearing the story of the legendary Luke Skywalker saving the resistance they will be on board.

12/22/2017 5:33:25 PM

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^^ But you could imagine the scenarios between the movies in the IT. It's not a hard stretch to go from 'people were inspired from the battle of Yavin to join up' and 'Well clearly Luke trained himself between films'

What's harder is imagining how the Alliance fell to shit within the course of a few days or how Snoke was able to be so powerful

12/22/2017 5:56:53 PM

justinh524
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^^they pretty clearly state in the film that people received their request but that no one was coming to help them.

12/22/2017 6:01:09 PM

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"it's not like the original movies gave us any explanation about the Emperor."


The Emperor's backstory was never hinted to be significant in any way. Snoke's ancient history was meant to be a source of excitement, but Rian Johnson threw it out the window (along with the significance of anything TFA set up for us).

12/22/2017 9:11:17 PM

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I too felt like a good bit of the humor in this movie was misplaced, but still chuckled some.

One thing I'm not clear on, is how the walkers made it to the salt planet. Didn't we just see the super-huge destroyer get 1/3 of itself blown off? Is it still functional enough to deploy those walkers?

I was hoping to see Kylo become a little less hot-headed and become a rational leader, but it doesn't look like that is going to happen.

The salt planet was cool.

The trailers for this movie were completely misleading though. I went into the theater convinced that Rey was going to join the dark side.

12/22/2017 11:53:59 PM

bdmazur
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^I thought Rey and Kylo were both going to leave their respective mentors and go grey together. I guess that almost happened, but then Kylo went full retard dark side.

12/23/2017 1:38:29 AM

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"What's harder is imagining how the Alliance fell to shit within the course of a few days"


Well, we haven't actually heard much about the state of the Alliance (AKA the Republic) in TLJ or TFA. The Resistance is not the same thing. Leia's organization was always clearly said and shown to be small.

Admittedly both of these movies have done a shit job explaining what the hell is up with the Republic - but here again, you could say the same thing for the OT, when all we hear is "The Senate was abolished" and that's that.

12/23/2017 8:23:58 AM

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Everything about the size, origin, and how the hell the Alliance wasn't worried about them makes no sense unless they came out of the unknown regions and were building up in secret for 30 years.

12/23/2017 9:43:29 AM

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There is a book out there that describes the rise of the First Order and Leia's beginnings with the resistance.

And as far as the Republic, unless they had included some footage in TFA, now there is no Republic

12/23/2017 9:57:59 AM

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A struggling rebellion can capture the plans for both Death Stars but a fully formed Alliance can't see Snoke/Death Star III coming a mile away?

12/23/2017 10:36:17 AM

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"One thing I'm not clear on, is how the walkers made it to the salt planet. Didn't we just see the super-huge destroyer get 1/3 of itself blown off? Is it still functional enough to deploy those walkers"


That was snoke's flagship. There were still a bunch of other star destroyers there.

12/23/2017 10:54:22 AM

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Much better on second viewing.

It's amazing how much the expected importance of certain things tainted the first viewing. And when the movie didn't take them seriously, it fell way more flat. Must re-watch

12/23/2017 6:47:21 PM

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i thought the starkiller base destroyed the republic by blowing up all of its planets.

[Edited on December 23, 2017 at 8:49 PM. Reason : but maybe it was just a space x rocket they were looking at all along]

12/23/2017 8:48:23 PM

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It blew up 5 total planets

12/23/2017 9:02:06 PM

GrumpyGOP
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"Everything about the size, origin, and how the hell the Alliance wasn't worried about them makes no sense"


It absolutely makes sense, and has an analogue in 20th century history. The whole world sat around and played with its collective dick after WWI, all while watching Germany build up a massive military power out of the ruins of a country. Post-Civil War, the Republic didn't want to be bothered with the First Order. Presumably that's why they didn't try to finish the Empire off in the first place.

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"i thought the starkiller base destroyed the republic by blowing up all of its planets."


My understanding was that they blew up the system that served as the capital of the Republic. They didn't blow up every Republic planet in the galaxy.

12/24/2017 12:33:21 AM

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I loved it. Some cringe worthy acting and sequences that felt like filler, but overall a great movie. Adam Driver cemented himself as the star of these movies, absolutely steals every scene he's in. His delivery when the Falcon showed up and he yells "Blow that piece of junk out of the sky" was just excellent.

12/24/2017 11:15:40 AM

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"Must re-watch"

nah.

12/28/2017 5:09:18 AM

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"His delivery when the Falcon showed up and he yells "Blow that piece of junk out of the sky" was just excellent."


Yeah, dude REALLY hates his dad.

12/28/2017 12:13:35 PM

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So, I just saw this last week. It was fine and entertaining. Not the best Star Wars, but not the worst one either. I'm not going to rehash the same things already pointed out in this thread. But I did notice that there seems to be a huge disparity in the roles that gender plays in TLJ. I know Abrams likes to make the protagonist female, which is cool and I don't have a problem with.

The issue is that it seems as if only the men have some sort of major character flaw. None of the female characters had any major flaws that led to conflict in the movie. So it kind of had the opposite effect that Abrams was intending, where the men are humanized by their flaws, and the female characters are unrelatable.

But otherwise, this was a good action movie.

1/2/2018 4:55:37 PM

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"The Emperor's backstory was never hinted to be significant in any way. Snoke's ancient history was meant to be a source of excitement, but Rian Johnson threw it out the window (along with the significance of anything TFA set up for us)."


The thing I would say here is that it was made relatively clear that the Emperor's objective/motivation was to rule and control which is why he is doing all this to instill fear and dominance over everyone. With Snoke you get all this hissing about Skywalker but never any motive to why. It doesn't appear that his primary motivation is power so you need a little bit more about why. It wouldn't have to be much but maybe snoke survived the death star or was an imperial during the prior. You could drop one line and make this make a lot more sense with any number of basic explanations. Doesn't have to be completely fleshed out but has to be something.

1/2/2018 5:08:10 PM

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^^ Rey is super naive and easily manipulated.

Rose is too brash and can make poor decisions. She's the one who chose to hire DJ, which got half of the remaining resistance killed.

[Edited on January 2, 2018 at 7:34 PM. Reason : ]

1/2/2018 7:34:45 PM

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^^Maybe I'm missing something but is destroying the Jedi once and for all not Snoke's motivation? Do we need more than that? He thinks killing skywalker and turning/killing Rey will accomplish this.

1/3/2018 10:38:47 AM

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Must kill Luke... who has been in hiding and a complete non-entity for a few decades.

1/3/2018 12:19:33 PM

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"Maybe I'm missing something but is destroying the Jedi once and for all not Snoke's motivation? Do we need more than that? He thinks killing skywalker and turning/killing Rey will accomplish this."


If it was clear that he was a Sith lord I would say that would be enough since we know that's sort of an ongoing hing. But they don't show that he is. And while the Emperor was admittedly just presented as Saturday morning cartoon evil as well, he got some screen time to show that he wanted to turn Luke and use him to control things.

I guess what I'm getting at is that control or power can be enough of a motivation by themselves, but once you make another person the motivation for a character's actions, you kind of have to show what their relationship is or was to make it make sense.

I'm with Chekhov on story telling in general.

1/3/2018 2:02:48 PM

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Snoke was the one who wanted Luke dead, and we do not know the reason. Some have postulated that he was a force-sensitive imperial victim from the second Death Star explosion seeking revenge. Who knows.

But it was a personal vendetta, not a tactical plan.

1/3/2018 2:23:18 PM

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https://youtu.be/u0JhhQvdIYY?t=1m58s

1/3/2018 2:37:50 PM

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^lol

1/3/2018 3:36:01 PM

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TLJ pitch meeting.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1v2PV52WNLY

1/5/2018 7:55:56 AM

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^also lol

1/5/2018 10:33:01 AM

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Still sucks but I'll press this turd into a diamond by the time Episode 9 comes out.

1/5/2018 12:02:24 PM

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