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ncsuapex
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I thought they were the University of No Class(es)

2/23/2018 10:17:01 PM

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Sean Miller done for?

2/23/2018 10:18:05 PM

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Sean Miller is fucked

2/23/2018 10:18:05 PM

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Hey guys, I think we could get Sean Miller next year if we want him.

[Edited on February 23, 2018 at 10:18 PM. Reason : lol breaking news]

2/23/2018 10:18:17 PM

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Can someone at this point attempt to defend the existence of collegiate varsity athletics? I'm not talking amateurism, I'm talking the fact that the teams even exist made up of "students" receiving scholarships because they're good at putting a ball in a hoop or making a tackle.

Have no issue with club teams where groups of students administrate it themselves more or less, I'm just talking varsity outfits.

Honestly, the NCAA should just disband and university sports teams should be declared for-profit businesses and required to pay taxes. All that's needed is a congressman or senator to have the spine to stand up to his local state and private universities and see this as his way to a national profile.

Re Miller, ESPN:

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"FBI wiretaps intercepted telephone conversations between Arizona coach Sean Miller and Christian Dawkins, a key figure in the FBI's investigation into college basketball corruption, in which Miller discussed paying $100,000 to ensure star freshman Deandre Ayton signed with the Wildcats, sources familiar with the government's evidence told ESPN.

According to people with knowledge of the FBI investigation, Miller and Dawkins, a runner working for ASM Sports agent Andy Miller, had multiple conversations about Ayton. When Dawkins asked Miller if he should work with assistant coach Emanuel "Book" Richardson to finalize their agreement, Miller told Dawkins he should deal directly with him when it came to money, the sources said.

The telephone calls between Miller and Dawkins were among 3,000 hours of conversations intercepted from Dawkins' phone alone by the FBI."


[Edited on February 23, 2018 at 10:45 PM. Reason : /]

2/23/2018 10:28:37 PM

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Fucking told y'all Miller was overrated hahaha. Won that one.

2/23/2018 10:35:28 PM

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no, you didn’t, as you weren’t arguing that he was better at keeping things under the table as other coaches are

2/23/2018 10:42:51 PM

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Hahahaha fuck Sean Miller

2/23/2018 10:45:54 PM

LudaChris
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The dude was cheating and still couldn't get a Final Four. Yep, overpaid and overrated as hell.

2/23/2018 10:50:29 PM

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Wonder what Hodge is thinking right now

[Edited on February 23, 2018 at 10:52 PM. Reason : Eg]

2/23/2018 10:52:03 PM

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Fuck Miller and Arizona lol

2/23/2018 10:55:33 PM

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^^ already tweeted

2/23/2018 10:57:42 PM

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Interesting take on NCAA sports. I would also add that the pro leagues need to lift their restrictions and let anybody go pro whenever they feel like it.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/college-basketball-is-broken-and-heres-the-only-way-the-ncaa-can-fix-the-sport/

2/24/2018 1:37:52 PM

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The NBA is not in the business of fixing college sports.

2/24/2018 3:32:42 PM

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"Can someone at this point attempt to defend the existence of collegiate varsity athletics?"


I'm some will try, but it's beyond defending, in my opinion.


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"Honestly, the NCAA should just disband and university sports teams should be declared for-profit businesses and required to pay taxes. "


They should, but this will be fought and the defense of "amateurism" will be used precisely because they don't want student athletes to realize the massive untapped labor power they have. The entire NCAA is a house of cards built on the back of unpaid labor provided by student athletes that funnels money to god-knows-where.

2/24/2018 3:46:46 PM

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I know a “regular” student that was offered the same loans... we are good

2/24/2018 6:33:53 PM

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great

http://www.newsobserver.com/sports/college/acc/nc-state/state-now/article202019794.html

glad we got rid of our rogue coaches

[Edited on February 24, 2018 at 9:24 PM. Reason : .]

2/24/2018 9:11:53 PM

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We are about to get screwed hard.

2/24/2018 9:29:35 PM

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Bowen went somewhere else. Doesn't that imply that NC State wasn't willing to pay for him?

Or at least wasn't willing to pay as much as Louisville did?

2/24/2018 9:32:01 PM

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It doesn't look good, but the particular email they referenced doesn't mention anything specific, just that he and Early had contacted him about unrelated stuff. But not a good look if the university sent the agent a letter in 2012 to fuck off and Gott was in contact with him about something. Probably advice on coaching defense.

2/24/2018 9:39:54 PM

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To be fair, that email isn't damning in the least bit. Also that email isn't from the dissociated agent, it's from his stoolie.

2/24/2018 9:43:01 PM

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If this is all the news that will come out then I think we'll be ok (aka vacating last season). But we all know how this story goes...

2/24/2018 9:48:04 PM

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via GIPHY



[Edited on February 25, 2018 at 2:25 AM. Reason : if we aren't already boned, we are as good as]

2/25/2018 2:19:57 AM

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LOL at some of y’all that are still in denial about how bad this is.

2/25/2018 10:18:55 AM

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Or those of us who are assuming we'll get hammered, not because of what's come to light so far, but because "NC State shit"

2/25/2018 10:43:43 AM

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I don’t know if the denial is that bad considering there’s been no direct tie to Gottfried and the staff knowing about this yet. We’re all bracing for more info to come to light. But until then, based on what’s known now, I don’t think it’s doomsday for State. And I don’t think saying that is me being in denial

But yeah the “we’re State so we’ll get hammered and everybody else will get off with no punishment” is dumb.

2/25/2018 11:09:57 AM

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Unless they link direct receipts of us paying for someone I think we're going to skate with vacating last year thanks to Gott already being gone

2/25/2018 11:15:42 AM

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Last season’s abomination should be vacated anyway

2/25/2018 11:52:42 AM

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Of course I agree there is no merit to the NC State shit argument. It’s dumb. And as of now there is nothing clear that would bring the hammer down on us. But we have proof now that Gottfried and Eary were in touch with Dawkins, and Miller knew about it. So, I think it’s a little naive to assume Gottfried knew nothing of Dennis Smith taking money and that he wasn’t lining something shady up with Dawkins as well. I’m just praying there’s no paper trail and we get away with whatever nonsense Gott was up to.

2/25/2018 1:16:59 PM

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Yeah, I’m sure Gott knew or was aware to an extent, at least. It’s just a matter of whether it’s documented that he knew.

2/25/2018 1:38:29 PM

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"LOL at some of y’all that are still in denial about how bad this is."


This is where I'm at. While we don't know the context of Gottfried's emails with the runner, that simple fact that we were talking to them while they were paying one of our recruits tens of thousands in loans doesn't look good. What if the "separate matter" was Dennis Smith Jr.? Why were we in contact at all with an employee of a guy the university had disassociated itself with? We just have to hope that there's little evidence showing involvement from members of our coaching staff(s) or university administration. It's hard not to think this doesn't go back to guys like Cat, Purvis, Leslie, or even Hickson.

[Edited on February 25, 2018 at 4:13 PM. Reason : .]

2/25/2018 4:11:47 PM

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at this point ... whoop-dee-doo.
the whole deal (NCAA) is a sham anyway. we’ve seen that proven time and again.

2/25/2018 4:45:13 PM

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If it turns out Gott was still in contact with a guy that the school said not to talk to, we're gonna get slapped with LOIC, all for a 4-14 ACC record.

Menawhile, UNC got 4 titles off of 20 years of fake classes, and didn't get a single punishment. This is why I no longer watch NCAA sports

2/25/2018 5:54:43 PM

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k

2/25/2018 5:59:59 PM

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/sports/wp/2018/03/09/n-c-state-subpoenaed-in-fbis-college-basketball-probe/?utm_term=.89097c87b314

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"North Carolina State has received a grand jury subpoena seeking records as part of the Justice Department’s investigation into corruption in college basketball, a school official confirmed Friday.

The subpoena, issued by a grand jury impaneled in the Southern District of New York, was received Jan. 17, said North Carolina State athletics spokesman Fred Demarest, who declined to disclose any other details about the subpoena and specific records it sought.

“The contents of the subpoena are confidential, and we can’t expand beyond an acknowledgement that we received a request,” Demarest wrote.
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[Edited on March 9, 2018 at 7:13 PM. Reason : .]

3/9/2018 7:12:39 PM

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Lol Jesus.

Look...penalize us, whatever. But it seems unnecessary that the fbi is involved here.

Hope Gott was smart enough not to use his university email. That’s some cheating 101 shit.

[Edited on March 9, 2018 at 8:09 PM. Reason : A]

3/9/2018 8:06:41 PM

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"Former North Carolina State player Dennis Smith, Jr., shown in this 1996 photo, w"


#FakeNews

3/9/2018 8:28:09 PM

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They’re subpoenaing emails related to the ones already out there. Not sure what happens if they don’t have proof anybody knew about it but Gottfried and Orlando Early or Butch Pierre. Can’t believe that shithead sold our asses out to save his facade of a coaching career.

3/9/2018 9:30:40 PM

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Sold out? None of this helps him.

3/10/2018 12:27:03 AM

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Has Malik Newman been implicated in any of this yet?

3/10/2018 6:07:28 PM

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hidden camera footage of Malik Newman payoff

3/10/2018 6:11:50 PM

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He helped miss state get 7 conference wins...

3/10/2018 6:29:52 PM

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The solution seems pretty obvious to me... We just need to get the university to bribe a couple of blue chip chemistry and math recruits to come here, then we can tell the NCAA to go fuck themselves

[Edited on March 11, 2018 at 12:21 AM. Reason : ]

3/11/2018 12:20:17 AM

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And what do we tell the FBI?

3/11/2018 11:20:48 AM

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We're getting national coverage. Nothing but up from here. National Champ in 2 years.

3/11/2018 2:35:23 PM

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I think we pull a UNC and tell the FBI to fuck off, too. I can't think of what crime was actually committed here. Every single college in the US tries to persuade kids to come to their school with money: it's called a "scholarship."

3/11/2018 7:57:48 PM

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So is the NCAA going to punish 75% of it's P5 programs and ruin it's own post-season(profitability) for a year or two, or are they just going to let the FBI do it's thing and then put new changes in place to try and fix this going forward?

Let FBI finish.
Identify what players were proven to have taken impermissible benefits.
Deem those players ineligible and strip those wins from the teams.
Put new guidelines in place and work with schools/NBA/companies/agents to come up with methods of deterring this behavior going forward.
Move along.

See you guys in a couple of years when all of the FBI findings have been reported, criminals punished, and then the NCAA takes another year or two to figure out what to do about the whole situation.

3/12/2018 9:10:03 AM

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The FBI doesn't care about impermissible benefits. They won't look at any of that in detail. The only thing they care about are federal crimes. I don't see much that they will find or do, unless someone is stupid and lies to them, but they aren't going to push too hard into an investigation for the NCAA's sake. FFS, we couldn't get a real criminal investigation into Pell Grant Fraud at UNC, so why should we think the FBI is going to push all that hard on non-criminal behavior? I mean, if someone is paying hookers, then that's one thing, but handing someone money to pick a certain school? That's a tough sell from a legal perspective.

Put simply, the NCAA isn't going to gain much from the FBI beyond what we already know. The schools that are in the deepest trouble will axe their coaches. The bigger schools will get off scott-free, ala UNC and Duke, and the NCAA will crucify a couple of the less-important schools, just to make a show of it. They'll also probably nail someone at our level in the pecking order, so I fully expect us to get sanctioned.

Honestly, this is just another nail in the coffin of "amateur" athletics, where the big programs will see that they can do whatever the hell they want, short of paying for hookers and abortions, while the lesser programs get fucked for doing the same thing. It's going to take the lesser programs refusing to play along with it for anything to change, but they are going to have to realize that there are two enforcement regimes: one for them, and one for UNC, Duke, and Kentucky.

3/12/2018 1:01:48 PM

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/sports/wp/2018/04/10/kansas-and-n-c-state-tied-into-fbis-college-basketball-probe-as-new-indictments-issued/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.54ff1f92c022

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"The new indictment outlines similar allegations involving unnamed parents and players who ultimately attended Kansas and North Carolina State.

In 2015, prosecutors allege, Gatto arranged a $40,000 payment for the father of a North Carolina State player. "


this is the exact amount I had heard we had offered DSJr (and I posted on here about). as others said when I posted, if I heard about this shit and I'm a nobody to the university/donors, we must have been stupid af about how we handled this kind of dirt

4/10/2018 6:41:07 PM

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BOYCOOTTT THE SKOOOL!!! TAKE DOWN THE BANNNER!

4/10/2018 7:31:12 PM

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