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dmballer18
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Change tha world or no?

4/21/2018 3:15:21 AM

bbehe

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Sure, makes it extremely less secure for no real benefit

4/21/2018 8:20:05 AM

Novicane
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until IoT starts implementing security, it's going to be a security pitfall for the next 20+ years.

4/21/2018 9:35:44 AM

tulsigabbard
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Isn't blockchain/tangle technology pretty secure?

[Edited on April 21, 2018 at 6:13 PM. Reason : nothing is completely secure]

4/21/2018 6:12:42 PM

0EPII1
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cars can be hacked/remotely unlocked
crooks/perverts can watch you while you watch your smart tv
weirdos/pedos can take over your baby monitor
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fuck that

why the hell do we need internet in everything?

there are smart wallets now too, smart ovens, smart kitchens, soon enough they will have smart wheelbarrows.

as material possessions gets smarter, which means humans are outsourcing their thinking/memory/observational skills to their possessions, humanity is getting dumber and dumber.

if this becomes a worldwide phenomenon, then a couple of centuries down the line, no one will know how to cook, no will have a good memory, no one will know how to do simple arithmetic... we will devolve.

of course, there are many good uses too (in medicine, agriculture, disaster management, environment, etc), but the general public is adopting "smart" devices just to be able to think less and less.

4/21/2018 11:55:28 PM

tulsigabbard
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none of those problems are new. cars have always been stolen and there have always been peeping toms. my main point is you are overlooking the overwhelmingly unique advantages in favor of the pre-existing disadvantages.

[Edited on April 22, 2018 at 12:37 AM. Reason : plus two-factor authentication and biometric authentication]

4/22/2018 12:35:52 AM

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I know you're are fucking troll, but someone being able to remotely crash your car is most assuredly something new, and it's not a good thing. stop fucking this board up with your trolling.

4/22/2018 12:39:36 AM

tulsigabbard
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i'm sure i'm not the only one who thinks that is a strange thing to worry about. Again, its paranoia to lose sleep over the chance it could be used for someone to make your car crash and completely ignore all of the car crashes that would be prevented by the optimization IoT would bring to travel. Not to mention, someone can already physically rig your car to crash without IoT. Anyone who thinks there are people trying to make their car crash have bigger issues that avoiding the IoT won't solve. Its an extreme situation and we aren't throwing the baby out with the bathwater over it.

Thats all probably over the head of anyone who automatically thinks a different perspective is trolling.

4/22/2018 2:40:51 AM

Novicane
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not thinking about cars tbh.

I'm thinking about that temperature sensor that is built into the ceiling tiles that goes on a network. Just another entry point to worry about.

4/22/2018 5:29:38 AM

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Worth watching the whole thing, but basically this

4/22/2018 9:11:24 PM

tulsigabbard
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He's a great speaker, and entertaining but also quite an asshole with his antics. I'll definitely watch more of him.

I'm so sick of all the FUD around cryptocurrency (and IoT). I think the bitcoin people realize it is digital gold and that more advanced cryptos that may not even exist yet will be used as currency.

Also, central banks are systematically stealing your money by printing. No one can police the current system that is run by a small group of corrupt elites. And since we are using extreme examples, governments can freeze bank accounts. In Russia, enemies of Putin have lost everything domestic and friends of Putin have been sanctioned abroad.

India voided 86% of its cash overnight leaving a lot of people caught with the bag.

The sorts of things you guys are afraid of in the crypto world already happen in the world of cash. The bad guys stole our money and got away with it. The government was complicit. The attourney general was a banking industry plant. The internet is not secure but nothing is secure without the internet.

He said you could lose your bitcoin in an exchange but its dumb to keep your bitcoin in an exchange in the first place.

Trains are another great example. With IoT, someone can hack the tracks to make trains crash. Without IoT, someone can physically hack the tracks to make trains crash but they won't need to because there are already so many train crashes due to human error that could be avoided with a smart system.

[Edited on April 22, 2018 at 10:01 PM. Reason : 2008]

4/22/2018 9:56:38 PM

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You're confusing IoT with SCADA systems for the train example. I actually helped contribute to IEEE standards for SCADA systems and am fairly knowledgeable in crypto (used to be a contractor for encrypted comm devices for DoD, DISA, etc)

The issue is SCADA had been around for awhile, there are established security guidelines and recommendations. For commercial IoT devices like lightbulbs and fridges, companies with no security guidelines are pumping shit out without a care in the world

4/22/2018 10:12:23 PM

tulsigabbard
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Sorry i meant cryptocurrency when i said crypto

Can you explain the fear with lightbulbs and fridges? Is it as simple as hackers hacking everyone's light bulbs and using them to create a power surge that takes out the system or is it something else? On the surface it seems like those types of products don't care about security because there is little harm or benefit someone could get from playing with your lights from far away. Wouldn't a car be made more secure than a lightbulb?

4/22/2018 10:21:37 PM

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It's not the lightbulb being turned on and off, it's the lightbulb being a point of entry into a network.

Edit: and that's the point 'at first glance it seems harmless so why care about security', there are huge ramifications for that many insecure devices our there.

[Edited on April 22, 2018 at 10:27 PM. Reason : A]

4/22/2018 10:23:23 PM

tulsigabbard
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I see. Its the animal with 9 mouths.

4/23/2018 12:47:29 AM

moron
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Hackers once stole a casino's high-roller database through a thermometer in the lobby fish tank

http://www.businessinsider.com/hackers-stole-a-casinos-database-through-a-thermometer-in-the-lobby-fish-tank-2018-4

4/23/2018 1:00:53 AM

bbehe

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^^ Exactly.

So many times the company creating the IoT device or the employees at a place that are responsible for installing it are so far removed from the security process that it's neglected to hell.

That's what Novicane and I are getting at. IoT devices need to be treated with the same amount of security consideration that every other network device needs rather than some jackass in marketing saying 'You know what would be cool, if your fridge had a twitter feed'

4/23/2018 11:51:23 AM

0EPII1
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https://healthtechmagazine.net/article/2018/04/The-Internet-of-Medical-Things-Opens-Health-Organizations-Up-to-More-Threats

4/23/2018 11:34:19 PM

justinh524
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It would be pretty cool for my refrigerator to have a Twitter feed.

4/24/2018 5:22:14 PM

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bump for shoot

12/14/2018 11:11:20 AM

shoot
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Thank you!

It seems now that the development goes back to its origin of more than a decade ago: sensor network. Also SCADA is a classic architecture. Distributed network system.

[Edited on December 14, 2018 at 11:40 AM. Reason : We live in a world of network!]

12/14/2018 11:36:46 AM

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What the hell are you on about?

12/14/2018 6:05:20 PM

shoot
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I will elaborate.

12/15/2018 12:01:40 PM

A Tanzarian
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And...?

12/16/2018 1:35:21 AM

shoot
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IOT is derived from sensor network, an area has been investigated more than a decade ago. Before that it was distributed network structure. The central control system goes decentralized. The different parts are connected through network, separating all over the places. A very matured model is the SCADA system mentioned above. It's used widely in many industries, especially in process control fields like oil and gas pipelines.

IOT is based on sensors. The wearable and applicable sensors are extremely useful. They can be used in smart devices and smart home automation. So researchers and developers now seem to be more interested in those sensors than the IOT architecture.

12/16/2018 11:00:41 AM

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all gonna get hacked

12/17/2018 8:55:38 AM

darkone
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All of shoot's posts read like a shitty tech blog written by an SEO bot.

12/17/2018 7:20:19 PM

A Tanzarian
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Yeah, I still don't understand what he's on about either. DAQs, SCADAs, PLCs, DCS's, smart controllers, etc have been around forever. Connecting them to a network or converting analog loops to digital isn't new either.

I know there are some legitimate IoT applications out there, but most of the consumer oriented ones strike me as elaborate and expensive (for you) ways to harvest personal information and monitor your home network. The security incentives are totally misaligned. If that fancy smart TV has a security hole in it because the manufacturer stopped issuing updates, well tough shit. You're the one with a compromised network, not them.

12/17/2018 8:26:58 PM

shoot
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Quote :
"DAQs, SCADAs, PLCs, DCS's, smart controllers, etc have been around forever. Connecting them to a network or converting analog loops to digital isn't new either.
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I know they are there forever, at least several decades. I'm just trying to explain how those techs evolve, so that we can have a better idea understanding the current trend, and predict what it is going to happen in the future. This is like a surveying paper, or the first section of the review.

Quote :
"I know there are some legitimate IoT applications out there, but most of the consumer oriented ones strike me as elaborate and expensive (for you) ways to harvest personal information and monitor your home network. The security incentives are totally misaligned. If that fancy smart TV has a security hole in it because the manufacturer stopped issuing updates, well tough shit. You're the one with a compromised network, not them."


You talk about smart home/home automation, right? Raleigh downtown has a startup company K4connect which has been working on it for years. Smart/intelligent home is not a new concept too, probably since 1990s. But now it's growing faster than ever before. Home security system is a good example. Another is Google home and Alexa, the voice-controlled home automation triggered by sensors. However, I don't think smart TV has sensors on it.

Industrial IOT is pretty much upgraded SCADA system, and is usually combined with cloud.

12/17/2018 8:47:41 PM

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12/18/2018 10:28:04 AM

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