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justinh524
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RIP Oladipo

1/24/2019 12:23:00 AM

UJustWait84
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And this bullshit over him being a terrible defender needs to end.

He's not terrible at defense, and in fact he's become one of the best post defenders in the league. But let's keep taking like this is 2015."


https://stats.nba.com/players/defense/

90. Klay Thompson
213. James Harden

K.

1/24/2019 10:43:20 AM

rwoody
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20 Kyrie Irving
24 Steph curry

I'm also not sure how diff sites Calc def WS, but basketball-reference has Harden at 1.7 (actually lowest of his career) and Klay at 1.4. Over last 7 years, Harden has 21.6 while Klay has 17.6. Harden defensive box plus/minus is 0.7, Klay -2.1. Harden defense rating is 111, Klay 112 (lower is better).

[Edited on January 24, 2019 at 11:07 AM. Reason : So... ]

1/24/2019 10:57:44 AM

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I mean if you’re bored, you can go back and look at the last few seasons (I stopped after the 2016-2017 season), but Klay is always ahead of Harden

Also worth noting: I never said Harden was a terrible defender; I just said he was bad and that Klay was better.

And since you’re all so in love with stats, feel free to look up both of their FG/3PT percentages numbers this seasons. Klay still wins

^Im sorry you don’t like the stats that literally come from the NBA, but they are what they are. Wanna talk about turnovers next?

[Edited on January 24, 2019 at 11:11 AM. Reason : Harden is still better than Klay bruh]

1/24/2019 11:02:27 AM

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(i updated my post above)
Did you just post stats then shame me for using stats?

Also I already covered shooting percentage on the the last page
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" I'd like to point out that Klay has a game where he MADE 10 straight while Harden has a game where he MISSED 16 straight yet their 3 fg% this season is basically identical. Harden, of course, also shoots 5 more a game and has to create his own shot."


Harden also has a slightly higher eFG% this season.


^I think pretty much all advanced defensive stats have to taken with lots of other data. Analysts will straight up tell you it's hard to measure that. But yes, nba.com is not the first place I'd go for advanced stats

[Edited on January 24, 2019 at 11:13 AM. Reason : E]

1/24/2019 11:11:40 AM

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wonder what our resident stats expert face would think of Harden's game last night, given his shooting percentages

1/24/2019 12:18:10 PM

justinh524
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"Wanna talk about turnovers next"


Wanna talk about steals next? Blocks? Rebounds? Assists? Assist/turnover ratio? Win shares? Defensive win shares? Defensive RPM? PER? True shooting %?

Shall I continue?

^well he had a true shooting percentage of 62.2%, which is right in line with his season average that is top 20 in the league.

1/24/2019 12:34:21 PM

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^^he was a little off from 3 but was 12-18 from 2 and 22-25 from the stripe. True shooting percentage of 62% which is his season average, 18th in the league and way better than anyone close to his usage percentage ever.

[Edited on January 24, 2019 at 12:46 PM. Reason : ^beat me to it! ]

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"when compared to every previous player who amassed a 35 percent usage rate in a season. Well, compared to every previous player other than himself.

Efficiency Varies With a Large Volume
 PLAYER	SEASON	TRUE SHOOTING
PLAYER SEASON TRUE SHOOTING
James Harden 2018-19 62.2%
James Harden 2017-18 61.9%
Bernard King 1984-85 58.5%
Dwyane Wade 2008-09 57.4%
Tracy McGrady 2002-03 56.4%
DeMarcus Cousins 2016-17 56.2%
George Gervin 1981-82 56.2%
Michael Jordan 1986-87 56.2%
Carmelo Anthony 2012-13 56.0%
Kobe Bryant 2005-06 55.9%
Russell Westbrook 2016-17 55.4%
Kobe Bryant 2010-11 54.8%
Allen Iverson 2005-06 54.3%
DeMarcus Cousins 2015-16 53.8%
Russell Westbrook 2014-15 53.6%
Dominique Wilkins 1987-88 53.4%
Kobe Bryant 2011-12 52.7%
Jerry Stackhouse 2000-01 52.1%
Allen Iverson 2000-01 51.8%
Allen Iverson 2001-02 48.9%
Allen Iverson 2003-04 47.8%
Michael Jordan 2001-02 46.8%
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[Edited on January 24, 2019 at 12:48 PM. Reason : E]

1/24/2019 12:45:45 PM

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^^^ face disappeared more than a year ago.

[Edited on January 24, 2019 at 1:17 PM. Reason : ;]

1/24/2019 1:16:50 PM

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"it's crazy to talk about Harden being one of the best offensive players of his generation"

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"James Harden is sitting No. 1 all-time in scoring rate right now, on pace for the only season in NBA history over 35 points per 75 possessions. (!) He's doing it on better efficiency (relative to league) than the next 3 guys."

https://twitter.com/ElGee35/status/1087885913286295552?s=19

1/25/2019 10:40:55 AM

justinh524
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But muh dubs

1/25/2019 11:08:57 AM

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3-0 since Cousins started playing and a 9 game win streak, but Harden on pace to catch Wilt’s 116 game 50pt streak. Can the regular season get anymore exciting???

1/25/2019 3:49:24 PM

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I don't necessarily support the final statement, but interesting stat here
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"@ScrewstonCorey Deflections per game ranks in the NBA:

8th Jimmy Butler
7th Draymond Green
6th Kawhi Leonard
5th Robert Covington
3rd Paul George

1st: the reigning MVP, James Harden

Best 2 way player in the game. #MVP #ROCKETS

@dmorey this one might hurt some feelings "

1/28/2019 7:41:46 PM

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wonder why it doesn't include Kris Dunn or Westbrook at 2nd and 4th

1/28/2019 8:25:44 PM

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I think he was highlighting perceived defensive leaders but I'm not sure.

I checked and the above statement is prob true, but they were also out of characters. Someone in the replies asked who was second and they responded.

[Edited on January 28, 2019 at 8:32 PM. Reason : Character limit!!! ]

1/28/2019 8:30:19 PM

justinh524
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Dennis Smith to the Knicks for Porzingis.

1/31/2019 4:05:46 PM

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Can Dolan please fucking die already.

1/31/2019 4:07:46 PM

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Knicks getting fleeced

I know you pretty much have to move unhappy stars in the NBA for whatever you can get but this is gonna be crazy good for the Mavs with Doncic

[Edited on January 31, 2019 at 4:17 PM. Reason : sp]

1/31/2019 4:14:31 PM

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Except they will immediately become the worst defensive team in the league. And they'll have to give KP a huge contract when he hasn't proven anything in the NBA. KP has yet to show he can be an efficient scores and has shown he is a sub par rebounder and awful defender. His ceiling is basically a poor man's Melo, but he hasn't been anywhere near that level yet.

The Knicks get an upgrade at guard and 2 expiring contracts for KP and some replacement level players. Without any other moves the Knicks now will be able to sign 2 max free agents this off-season. Clearly the winner of this trade depends on what the Knicks do this off-season and who they draft in the lottery. They are in all out tank mode right now.

[Edited on January 31, 2019 at 4:32 PM. Reason : Porzingis is probably the most overhyped player in the league]

1/31/2019 4:27:53 PM

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DSJ is gonna be slangin wood all over the big apple

1/31/2019 4:35:48 PM

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Update: NYK also get 2 future #1's

I think this hurts the Lakers. If I'm the pelicans no way do I take a trade for AD that doesn't include at least 3 of Ingram/Kuzma/Ball/Hart and 3 #1's. Also still no way in hell I'd trade him before the off-season.

1/31/2019 6:20:44 PM

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On paper, I think the Mavs win this trade. But, both teams are basically taking a bet here.

The Mavs are obviously betting on KP - one, that he isn't fucked from the injury. Two, that he will actually develop into a force. If he can pair well with Doncic, they could be a playoff team with a couple of role players.

The Knicks are better on the picks + DSJ (sort of - I don't think they're hitching their wagon to him too much) + a big get this summer. KD is what people are talking about, but it could be anyone - they're going to have a lot of cap space. I'm guessing that Wes won't even play a game for them and DJ is on his way out anyway.

1/31/2019 7:34:40 PM

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muh Dubs

my favorite part was when Draymond was whining to the refs, and Boogie came over to whine to the refs #dynasty

2/1/2019 12:45:19 AM

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"KP has yet to show he can be an efficient scores and has shown he is a sub par rebounder and awful defender. His ceiling is basically a poor man's Melo"


HWAT?

KP was averaging 22 a game on near 40% 3pt shooting before he got injured. His defense is good, borderline great around the rim. The guy is a stud. You are basically doing the opposite of the white ball player cliches that describe them as gym rats/scrappy/sneaky athletic. Now if you want to talk about his injury risk, fine. That's a real thing. To describe his CEILING as a poor man's Melo is insane.

The ONLY way the knicks salvage this trade is if they snag two premiere free agents in the offseason--KD and Kyrie. More likely they end overpaying a couple of second tier guys in true Knicksian fashion and become a perpetual 6-10 seed in the east.

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"If I'm the pelicans no way do I take a trade for AD that doesn't include at least 3 of Ingram/Kuzma/Ball/Hart and 3 #1's"


There is absolutely no world where the lakers give up 3 of those dudes and 3 #1s. Maybe 3 dudes and a #1. The only leverage the pelicans have is pitting the lakers offer up against the celtics if they wait until the summer or against a potential celtics offer or a sixers offer if they do it now. AD has screwed them by 1) publicly announcing he is leaving and 2) telling the league he will only sign for a contender. That narrows it down to only a handful of teams.

2/1/2019 9:12:42 AM

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the NBA: still faaaaaantastic

2/8/2019 12:21:51 AM

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Rockets really need Capela back ASAP

2/13/2019 10:40:01 PM

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