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" You better believe Georgia and others are already boosting their suppression efforts "


they already are and I didn’t say they weren’t

1/7/2021 8:37:31 PM

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"charisma is pretty damn important in presidential elections"


How important? Put a percentage on it

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"they already are and I didn’t say they weren’t"


So if Trump runs again how does Biden (or the Dem nom) win?

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"In regards to trump not being on ticket being disadvantage to repubs in GA, lol
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Gg disagreeing with both of us. Why do YOU think Perdue got fewer votes?

1/7/2021 8:41:55 PM

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who gives a fuck about percentages and why are you focused on them?

the margins are thin enough as it is and you’re a random dude on the internet asking another random dude on the internet about percentages that don’t matter in the least (other than your attempt at an online argument, so good job?)

1/7/2021 8:46:22 PM

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What? You started the argument? I acknowledged the racism and gave a percentage, you said I was wrong. If you think the one I listed is wrong you must have an idea of what its right

Me: Obama did some things wrong
You: no it was racism
Me; yes racism was primary at x% but these other factors mattered
You: no that % is wrong

[Edited on January 7, 2021 at 8:51 PM. Reason : E]

1/7/2021 8:49:49 PM

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racism was the biggest factor on the margins and activism over the last 4 years was enough to overcome that margin which is why we’re in the position that we’re currently in

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" Me: Obama did some things wrong
You: no it was racism "


this is awful framing and you know it

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" People love Obama, but his leadership led directly to Trump's election"


[Edited on January 7, 2021 at 8:58 PM. Reason : percentages be damned]

1/7/2021 8:54:39 PM

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I said it was the biggest factor for the entire general election, you're only even saying it's the biggest factor on the margins so why did you come at me when I said 40-50%?? We basically agree?

Like basically my argument comes down to whether or not a presidents actions have an effect on who people vote for. I say they do!

[Edited on January 7, 2021 at 9:03 PM. Reason : E]

1/7/2021 8:58:15 PM

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and my argument is that enough racists were emboldened by a flagrantly racist candidate to put said candidate over the edge, entirely as reaction to the first Black president

the people who put Trump over the edge could give two fucks about Obama’s actions, other than being black

[Edited on January 7, 2021 at 9:08 PM. Reason : .]

1/7/2021 9:06:51 PM

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I've seen that 10-15% of Trump voter previously voted for Obama. Seems like Clinton couldn't have won by keeping them in the tent. If Hilary matches Obamas vote count in she wins Iowa, PA, wisc and much.

1/7/2021 9:22:37 PM

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"I mean when people say that Trump was elected bc of racism, they mean the illegal immigration issue not Obama himself."


This statement makes me question whether you know any racists, because this is the opposite of my experience. I think that when a black family took up residence in the East Wing of the White House, it flipped a switch in a lot of white Americans' heads that still hasn't flipped back; I think that Donald Trump's racist incitement over the past five years has only worsened this effect.

My guess is that, while a significant portion of Obama voters may have voted for Trump due to economic grievances or a desire to seek a leadership change in Washington, D.C., Donald Trump's racism led to a large number of both racists and anti-racists turning out to vote who would have otherwise stayed home on election day, particularly in 2020.

[Edited on January 8, 2021 at 9:06 AM. Reason : ]

1/8/2021 9:04:58 AM

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"This statement makes me question whether you know any racists,"


Haha well I hope you are right about that blind spot! I am certain I know people who are, I guess, on the spectrum, but I didn't talk with them about that aspect. Most conservatives I know focused on illegal immigration. I'm fully willing to say I may be wrong about the statement and I quoted and I def understand that Obamas race was a good chunk. But while Trump came to political fame with the birther stuff, his campaign was focused on immigration.

Long story short i agree with most of your post but think it's clear that immigration is, at least, the racist cudgel that Trump used to whip up his crowd and announce himself. I'll concede may not have worked as well with a white Democrat in office.

1/8/2021 10:14:11 AM

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https://www.axios.com/manchin-stimulus-checks-senate-biden-9a22ee1d-b2cc-4c2f-8a24-836a66725beb.html

We should go ahead and subtitle Biden's Administration 'Fucked By Joe Manchin'.

1/8/2021 2:41:43 PM

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"NEW: @JoeBiden calls for setting aside deficit concerns to invest trillions of dollars in the ailing US economy.

@BernieSanders, likely incoming Senate Budget chair: “The president-elect is exactly right that this is not the time for austerity politics.”

https://t.co/oooXwAKQ3K"


+1

1/10/2021 8:58:04 AM

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Waking up this morning and seeing an article in my news feed titled “what’s in Biden’s 1.9 trillion emergency coronavirus plan” was a surprisingly good feeling. I didn’t read it, don’t know if I even agree with everything in the plan, but just the simple fact that there is actually a plan is such a huge difference and a credible move back towards normalcy

1/15/2021 11:21:19 AM

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"Scoop: Biden’s team denies acting Defense Sec Christopher Miller’s request for transition space at the Pentagon after he leaves office tomorrow, a courtesy normally extended at the Defense Dept, @nwadhams reports

https://t.co/B1JOPhXXUd"


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1/19/2021 10:24:17 PM

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Replaced the Diet Coke button on the Resolute Desk with a Tab button.

-1

1/21/2021 4:31:27 PM

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I love how Amazon pledged to help Biden with vaccine distribution.

Where was Amazon the last year? Why wait for Biden? You're going to put your beef with Trump over American lives?

1/21/2021 6:57:39 PM

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LOL! You think Trump would let Jeff Bezos look good on his watch? He was too busy with his own petty beef.

1/21/2021 7:16:29 PM

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"Why wait for Biden?"


Because Trump is an unpredictable and unreliable partner driven wholly by self-interest?

From Bezos' point of view, the best case scenario for a partnership with the Trump Administration is that Amazon does all the work and bears all the costs while Trump takes all the credit. The more likely scenario is that Trump loses interest after the initial announcement, the administration fails to provide any follow through or support, the whole thing fails, and Trump blames it all on Bezos trying to make him look bad.

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"your beef with Trump"


Pretty sure the beef ran the other way.

I'm also pretty sure Amazon is trying to move its own workers to the front of the line. That might happen with Biden. It definitely would not happen with Trump.

1/21/2021 7:23:38 PM

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Regardless Biden should makes every effort to tell Bezos to go fuck himself and/or put some air tight worker protections in place. With bezos my first assumption is that he plans to volunteer his workers for dangerous front line work without any plans to give them appropriate choice or compensation. I'd love to be proved wrong!

1/21/2021 7:37:24 PM

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And I have no doubt that Trump would have likely rebuffed Amazon. It's just the lack of reaching out that gets to me.

1/21/2021 7:46:20 PM

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" You're going to put your beef with Trump over American lives?"


Bezos has made billions of dollars thanks to Trump

there is no beef

1/21/2021 7:49:57 PM

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If you want to know why bezos does something, think about whether it more likely to help or hurt Amazon's stock price. I guarantee 99% of his actions have motivations no deeper than that. Especially now that Musk has passed him

1/21/2021 7:52:51 PM

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Bezos is a sociopath who doesn’t give a fuck about anyone other than himself:

https://www.businessinsider.com/jeff-bezos-amazon-how-much-donations-charity-2019-5

1/21/2021 8:00:35 PM

thegoodlife3
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lol @ Amazon attempting to co-opt the Bernie meme, get called out by AOC for doing so, and then deleting the tweet

fuck Amazon

1/22/2021 7:17:19 PM

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^ wait, what? Bernie meme? the one of him sitting alone at the inauguration? screenshot of tweet?

1/22/2021 10:45:02 PM

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"NYTimes buried this today but this is huge https://t.co/JSef9kH2c0"




[Edited on January 23, 2021 at 12:42 AM. Reason : E]

1/23/2021 12:41:24 AM

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^jesus christ

What a stupid fucking policy

[Edited on January 23, 2021 at 2:56 AM. Reason : .]

1/23/2021 2:55:56 AM

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Will be pretty great for poor workers at meat packing plants and when/if bezos tries to force his drivers to be vaccine administrators

1/23/2021 9:17:57 AM

HaLo
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Creating incentives again to “not work”

1/23/2021 9:39:55 AM

rwoody
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I guess dangerous jobs will just have to pay people enough to incentivize it!

Forcing people to work in unsafe conditions seems bad for anyone on any job at any time

[Edited on January 23, 2021 at 9:55 AM. Reason : E]

1/23/2021 9:54:16 AM

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But the free market will adapt, right? If a job is dangerous they will pay more for people to do it, AMIRITE?

1/23/2021 10:01:01 AM

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When you make a post that dipped in sarcasm its tough to understand your true argument

But yes if workers can quit an unsafe job and still get wages then the unsafe job will have to pay more or make the job safe

[Edited on January 23, 2021 at 10:12 AM. Reason : I get yelled at even when I like Biden's policies, can't win lol]

1/23/2021 10:11:48 AM

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How do you prove fear of being unsafe in light of this panemic.

If you work anywhere indoors with another human, you could claim fear of Corona virus if you want to quit.

1/25/2021 8:42:00 PM

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Seems like there are a few options

1 govt stats out of it, let's companies define own safety protocols
2 govt defines protocols and punishes companies that don't follow
3 govt defines protocols and let's their workers get unemployment if they don't follow
4. ??

2 would get tons of "what about freedom" complaints, 3 let's them do what will but gives workers some protection

Regardless, the idea that there a significant portion of people who'd rather not work than work is a right wing talking point used to attack social safety nets since they started. How many people do you think are eager to be on unemployment? I think the max benefit is about $12k a year?

1/25/2021 8:57:28 PM

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New Whitehouse ASL interpreter runs a FB group spouting election conspiracy theories.

WTF... is this real life

1/27/2021 1:04:23 PM

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Seems good
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"NEW: Biden admin has imposed a temporary freeze on U.S. arms sales to Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates as it reviews billions of dollars in weapons transactions approved by Trump, per @wstrobel https://t.co/m45xLIMAKq"

1/27/2021 7:32:46 PM

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^
That was def a Kushner special. He was going to pay off a lot of loans with the Saudi kickbacks.

1/27/2021 11:09:01 PM

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Nothing says unity like dozens of executive orders.

1/28/2021 9:21:50 AM

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"I get yelled at even when I like Biden's policies, can't win lo"


My response was more directed at HaLo rather than you. Should have used the ^^ to clarify. Your point should be how it works, but sadly it seems like higher risk jobs during a pandemic like meat packing plants have no incentive to pay more. My coworker is from Siler City where his mom works in a meatpacking plant. She got Covid from work. She recovered and is fine now, but Perdue I think never offered them extra money or time off or anything for the higher risk during the pandemic. They were basically told come in or you are fired. She is Latino with little education and around Siler City they are one of the only big employers in town so she really had no choice. I think the unemployment insurance would give people like her an alternative, especially when they are older and have higher health risks.

1/28/2021 9:36:05 AM

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Ah thanks for clarifying

[Edited on January 28, 2021 at 9:39 AM. Reason : E]

1/28/2021 9:39:01 AM

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" Nothing says unity like dozens of executive orders."


you don’t give a fuck about unity and neither does anybody else complaining about it

[Edited on January 28, 2021 at 9:44 AM. Reason : .]

1/28/2021 9:44:21 AM

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Unity means letting Republicans continue to govern

1/28/2021 10:01:15 AM

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I'm not paying close attention, but aren't a lot (most?) of the Executive Orders just undoing a lot of Trump's EOs?

1/28/2021 10:08:18 AM

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I see people are bitching about executive orders again; I guess a Democrat must be back in the White House. I'm sure we'll soon see bitching about the national debt any day now, too.

1/28/2021 10:26:47 AM

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https://thehill.com/opinion/finance/536066-republicans-now-shocked-shocked-that-theres-a-deficit

1/28/2021 11:26:06 AM

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https://www.politico.com/news/2021/02/01/biden-stimulus-bipartisanship-congress-464749

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" Advisers to the president say they are mindful of getting bogged down in talks with Republicans, whose offer didn’t even meet the president halfway on his $1.9 trillion package. And current White House aides who served in the Obama administration confess to being particularly wary after Republicans drew out negotiations and stonewalled much of the former president’s agenda.

Instead, the Biden White House is taking a fine-if-it-comes approach to bipartisanship, at least right now. They’re parading public polls and statements from state and local Republican officials to show that cross-party support for the plan already exists. They’re preparing to pass the bill with 50 votes in the Senate. And Biden aides are arguing that the popularity of the plan’s components — stimulus checks, expanded unemployment insurance and funds to bolster vaccine distribution — puts the onus on Republicans to support it, not on Democrats to subject it to extended negotiations."



pretty great

2/1/2021 11:42:14 PM

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Also, Kamala showed up in Arizona and West Virginia to do interviews with local TV talking up the relief bill. Manchin and Sinema were not happy. That’s the kind of arm-twisting I like to see. +10 credibility.

2/2/2021 8:45:01 AM

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My sister in law, who's a "Never Trumper" who refused to vote for Joe Biden, is complaining that Biden campaigned as a centrist but is governing as a socialist.

+1

2/2/2021 12:47:31 PM

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https://www.politico.com/news/2021/02/03/biden-dems-call-stimulus-checks-465484

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"Biden’s message to the caucus comes as Democrats race to deliver the president’s first legislative priority, a sprawling coronavirus relief plan that so far lacks support from Republicans in Congress. One key sticking point so far has been over the stimulus checks, with some centrist Democrats — and many GOP lawmakers — calling for stricter income limits on the direct payments.

“We can better target the number, I’m ok with that,” Biden told House Democrats, according to multiple sources on the call. "


the number i've seen floated is $50k so wave goodbye to your stimulus TWW

although it's just as likely they're doing this so everyone forgets that he said $2k checks over and over again

either way -credibility

[Edited on February 3, 2021 at 12:25 PM. Reason : .]

2/3/2021 12:21:25 PM

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It's so weird that the senator from west Virginia of all places is the one worried about deficit.

Also why aren't Warnock and Ossof screaming about this? They JUST ran on this topic.

2/3/2021 12:36:50 PM

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