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"^^I don't see anything in that deleted tweet that says Robinson told him to go back to the Post."


It doesn't...it says he was thinking about going back and clarifying his story, and he told that to Nathan.

[Edited on April 30, 2020 at 4:54 PM. Reason : .]

4/30/2020 4:53:58 PM

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I mean, it's heavily implied. Obviously that guy isn't going to straight up say it. He did for sure go back to the post and change it from 'fingers on the shoulders/neck' to 'upskirt' which is substantially different

4/30/2020 5:05:14 PM

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https://twitter.com/jeffmason1/status/1255968651838197761?s=21

Lol, this is the most Trumpian answer ever. He can’t fathom a guy not attacking the accuser, calling her a dog and saying she’s ugly. I’ll hand it to him, he’s consistent about never ever believing a single woman.

4/30/2020 5:15:29 PM

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well... they could be false, couldn't they?

Basically Trump is in a box on this one seeing as how he publicly went after all of his accusers.

[Edited on April 30, 2020 at 5:23 PM. Reason : a]

4/30/2020 5:19:42 PM

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" Look, the guy (Nathan) is a clown and him talking to a witness doesn’t have anything to do with Reade’s claim so I really hesitate to further this... but he deleted all his tweets before around 4/20 so you wouldn’t see it.

“Coaching” can mean a lot of thing a which is why I put it in quotes."


I think this passage Nathan Robinson’s own story suggests he discussed Marcotte’s inquiries in detail with Reade. That is coaching:
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" TerdFerguson
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Nate Robinson over at Current Affairs coaching Reade only to respond to other journalists he thinks are “fair.”

https://www.currentaffairs.org/2020/04/evaluating-tara-reades-claims

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" Feminist writer Katha Pollitt also said it was “not a good sign” that the brother and friend “aren’t responding to reporters’ queries.” But the truth is they didn’t respond to Marcotte’s queries. They have spoken to multiple other reporters. Back before the story came out, I actually warned Tara myself during our conversation that it didn’t sound from Marcotte’s inquiries that she was interested in being fair and recommended being cautious about her. I think that concern was vindicated. "


This entire story is being curated by people who’s sole job is throwing bombs at the DNC. Reade needs a lawyer and we need a real investigation. Period.

[Edited on April 29, 2020 at 6:05 AM. Reason : Robinson also talked to the brother and the next day the bro “clarified” his statement to WAPO]

4/29/2020 5:46:38 AM"


[Edited on April 30, 2020 at 8:38 PM. Reason : Bold for the tldr;]

4/30/2020 8:36:42 PM

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I was gonna edit post again, but decided it would be more honest to double post.

-to modify the above post - it COULD be “coaching.” Nathan Robinson needs to detail how in depth their conversations were. Is he writing as a journalist in his mag, or is he representing Reade? A journalist has an obligation to representing the truth to the reader. A PR firm/lawyer only has an obligation to defend its “client.”


-I hate applying this type of scrutiny to a woman’s allegations. It legit troubles me. But I also refuse to put my head in the sand on how we are through the looking glass on political scandals both fake and real(do we really need to run down this list?). The current dis/information environment is mind-boggling. The scrutiny applied to this exact allegation is understandably kinda high?

4/30/2020 9:11:11 PM

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https://medium.com/@JoeBiden/statement-by-vice-president-joe-biden-7a9593bd3012

5/1/2020 7:53:06 AM

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"The scrutiny applied to this exact allegation is understandably kinda high?"


Scrutiny is fine but (and I’m not saying you are doing this — but some are) to default to personal attacks and automatically believe she is lying is not cool. All it does is act to prevent other women from ever feeling comfortable going forward.

(This is a total aside but what ever happened with Keith Ellison? That sort of just went away, right? This is exactly why Biden won’t drop out. Sadly, these things just go away. It’s a dreadful part of our society).

5/1/2020 8:34:23 AM

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I don't think anyone in this thread is personally attacking her.

I think her story has inconsistencies it but her claims, as do any claims of sexual assault, do warrant an investigation. I honestly believe she is being manipulated by people acting in bad faith.

5/1/2020 8:48:23 AM

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Per ABC

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"Tara Reade tells us that at the time, in 1993, she complained to the Senate personnel office that Biden had "made her feel uncomfortable," but she says she did not mention an assault and she has no record of the complaint. Biden calling for any records to be released."

5/1/2020 10:07:20 AM

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https://twitter.com/jordynphelps/status/1256261904638660615?s=21

Trump is like one more Biden accuser away from fully endorsing Joe for president.

[Edited on May 1, 2020 at 6:19 PM. Reason : X]

5/1/2020 6:17:51 PM

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It's his only play, but he's doing it in a smart way.

5/1/2020 8:33:27 PM

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Everybody hates this source but would like to hear what the article got wrong.

https://medium.com/@eddiekrassenstein/evidence-casts-doubt-on-tara-reades-sexual-assault-allegations-of-joe-biden-e4cb3ee38460?fbclid=IwAR0xzxzBjXRQc8-az0EbC4SxpmkkuPKuFpAnVBV4lxXsvmpMXRN28IQVleE

5/1/2020 10:01:11 PM

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I mean there is a lot of innuendo and flat out jumping to ridiculous conclusions. For instance it’s not at all odd that someone obviously in the far-left fever swamps is all of a sudden pretty pro-Putin. Pretty mainstream Glenn Greenwald has spent three years yelling about the Russian hoax and the more fringe you get the louder that was.

5/2/2020 6:38:20 AM

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But to completely flip very public positions on Russia in what 12 months? She went from repeatedly attacking Russia and Putin to repeatedly praising them.

In the same 12 months, she went from repeatedly praising Biden to repeatly attacking him.

I'm not claiming to know exactly what's going on but I have a guess.

5/2/2020 10:30:01 AM

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It is interesting to see my liberal friends on FB complain about this Reade situation. The odd thing though is that they aren't really placing the onus on the Republican party. They are looking more towards Bernie's camp as being behind/pushing Reade.

5/2/2020 11:21:40 AM

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This seems more Trump based than Bernie given the Russian connection

Is there anything out there showing Bernie is trying to subvert Biden? Seems like a stupid thing for a progressive to do given the outcome if successful.

5/2/2020 11:37:24 AM

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I mean, I think we can pretty confidently say Bernie Sanders has NOTHING to do with this in any manner. He legitimately likes Joe, to the point it annoys a lot of his supporters.

5/2/2020 11:58:46 AM

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I don't think Bernie has anything to do with it. I think a lot of Bernie supporters who feel betrayed are certainly amplifying and trying to craft the narrative.

5/2/2020 12:29:00 PM

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So, Bernie Broz gonna Bernie Bro

5/2/2020 12:55:16 PM

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Biden Bros doing a good job dismissing her claims to protect their guy though

5/2/2020 1:21:22 PM

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seems to me like the bernie bros are the only ones who have remained consistent in believing assault victims across the political spectrum

5/2/2020 1:30:57 PM

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Dave, women should be treated seriously and their claims investigated. That doesn't mean believe them no matter how many times their stories change or lack of evidence.

Otherwise, you may as well throw 'innocent until proven guilty' out the window

5/2/2020 1:34:17 PM

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^^ I dont like or use the term “Bernie Bro” and I have no clue how you or any other individuals handled the Ellison stuff but i posted about him recently and then went back and did some research. The Intercept has this and I’m open to arguments that I’m misinterpreting it but this sure seems like it is accusing her of being a conservative plant.

https://theintercept.com/2018/10/03/keith-ellison-allegations-karen-monahan-retains-new-attorney/

For what it’s worth, what I said of Biden weathering this was based on my recollections of this and of Justin Fairfax in VA. In Ellison’s case I honestly forgot about this because I have a vested interest in Minnesota (tons of family there) and I think he is genuinely great.

5/2/2020 3:00:51 PM

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https://apnews.com/aec7beb03e9e0e0e6e3c58111293e0ea?fbclid=IwAR0P8hTsf1eKVUuDa9bV1PUlbB-oePQpOlPkJCclpoklsyD1IFRzt0H1wEo

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"Reade described the report after the AP discovered additional transcripts and notes from its interviews with Reade last year in which she says she “chickened out” after going to the Senate personnel office"


So, AP caught her in a lie?

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"The AP declined to publish details of the 2019 interviews at the time because reporters were unable to corroborate her allegations, and aspects of her story contradicted other reporting.

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"NEWS - Tara Reade abruptly canceled the interview she was scheduled to record on Friday afternoon with Chris Wallace for @FoxNewsSunday, to air Sunday morning."



Can we be done with this now?

5/2/2020 4:02:09 PM

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Two posts ago you said you wanted an investigation

5/2/2020 4:07:29 PM

bbehe
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There was one, it was moved to inactive.
AP, and other major outlets, are reporting major inconsistencies in her stories.

Again, women are to be taken seriously and their claims investigated. This one was.

5/2/2020 4:08:48 PM

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You think police spoke to Biden, Reade and all witnesses?

5/2/2020 4:13:16 PM

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What more would you like?

Her story has changed drastically over the years and even months. Her witnesses seem coached/primed and even if not, they don't provide any proof. People like Nathan Robinson and Katie Halper have been interacting with her and advising her. Major news outlets have found inconsistencies and are reporting it. Biden has denied it. People she claims to have went to (at least in some versions) are denying it. She can't pin down an exact location or even month this happened. She has cancelled her media appearance. Hell, her police report didn't even name Biden, which is also odd as fuck, but hey, filing a false police report is a crime.

Seriously, how much more of an investigation would you like given what is available? What avenue should cops go down? "Hey Biden, where you were you during a time period of 3 months in the 90s?"

5/2/2020 4:23:06 PM

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At minimum an fbi investigation or something where each of them and some key witnesses give interviews to fbi or under oath where provable lies carry penalties. This will, of course, never happen. But I don't know how you can bring up innocent until proven guilty then settle for a media investigation.

5/2/2020 4:44:30 PM

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Again, why should that even happen when she didn't name him on the police report?

If she wants to be put under oath or in a position where she is providing an official statement to the FBI or others, let's do it. Seriously, let's subject her to an official investigation where lying has penalties.

She doesn't appear to want to do that.

[Edited on May 2, 2020 at 4:47 PM. Reason : a]

5/2/2020 4:47:26 PM

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Does Biden? He could independently go in and make a sworn statement.

5/2/2020 4:53:07 PM

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Yes, let's live in a world where you have to give sworn statements anytime someone makes an accusation against you. (But not officially)

Her story is falling apart and things she said last month are already being walked back or changed.

There is no reason to put energy into this

[Edited on May 2, 2020 at 4:56 PM. Reason : a]

5/2/2020 4:56:19 PM

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You want an investigation that doesn't talk to the accused? If this was a real trial you're saying Biden should refuse to testify or take the 5th?? Even Kavanaugh was questioned under oath.

5/2/2020 4:59:55 PM

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I would not have expected Kavanaugh to go under oath about his accusation if Blasey Ford wasn't under oath.

There is no formal accusation here. Biden is not named on an official complaint nor a police report

5/2/2020 5:07:14 PM

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Can you at least admit her story has dramatically changed in the past few months?

[Edited on May 2, 2020 at 5:17 PM. Reason : a]

5/2/2020 5:09:12 PM

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^^can you provide a link for the "not named" thing? I tried to Google it and came up short

^it seems like it has but that also seems consistent with trauma, especially from decades ago. Also it's a two way street what does Reade have to gain by going on record of Biden won't? Biden has far more to gain if he's innocent. Imagine the signal that sends, "Biden goes under oath while accuser refuses". Heck it happened in congress he could ask the a house committee to hold a closed door hearing so he gets plush treatment.

5/2/2020 5:26:18 PM

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https://mobile.twitter.com/ReadeAlexandra/status/1235670257445957632

This was from 2 months ago. It is now walked back

5/2/2020 5:28:26 PM

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"On Thursday, Ms. Reade filed a report with the Washington, D.C., police, saying she was the victim of a sexual assault in 1993; the public incident report, provided to The Times by Ms. Reade and the police, does not mention Mr. Biden by name, but she said the complaint was about him.
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From the NY times article which has already been linked.

5/2/2020 5:31:13 PM

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I'm sure her mom felt the need to call Larry King over shoulder touching

5/2/2020 6:21:11 PM

bbehe
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Because if your kid gets sexually assaulted by a senator, you're going to go to Larry King and not the police?

Based on her 2019 story, I believe that someone at Biden's office, senior staffer or Biden, touched her neck and made her feel uncomfortable

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" “This is what I want to emphasize: It’s not him. It’s the people around him who keep covering for him,” she told The Post at the time. She added: “For instance, he should have known what was happening to me.… Looking back now, that’s my criticism. Maybe he could have been a little more in touch with his own staff.”
-WaPo Interview, https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/04/30/who-is-tara-reade-biden-accuser/ 4/30/20
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However, she didn't believe it was sexual. Inappropriate, sure.

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"Reade said Biden’s senior staff protected the senator. She was considered a distraction. Reade said she didn’t consider the acts toward her sexualization. She instead compared her experience to being a lamp.

“It’s pretty. Set it over there,” she said. “Then when it’s too bright, you throw it away.”

4/2019 https://www.theunion.com/news/nevada-county-woman-says-joe-biden-inappropriately-touched-her-while-working-in-his-u-s-senate-office/ "


I get maybe she told her mom about it and her mom called Larry King.

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"CALLER: Yes, hello. I’m wondering what a staffer would do besides go to the press in Washington? My daughter has just left there, after working for a prominent senator, and could not get through with her problems at all, and the only thing she could have done was go to the press, and she chose not to do it out of respect for him.

-Larry King"


Getting sexually assaulted with penetration being described as 'her problems' by her mother? Do you really think her mother would use that term? Also, she could have gone to the police if it was rape not 'the only thing she could have done was go to the press'. She also said Reade still respects him. Which she apparently still did up until 2 years ago.

I understand that sexual assault survivors don't remember details, but she isn't keeping her story straight

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"“I am his former Senate aide. When I filed a complaint against Joe Biden for sexual harassment and more I was fired in 93. Last April I spoke up and his campaign worker and former aide…called me a Russian agent. I am not. I also volunteered same year for RFK memorial.” - tweet, plus multiple times with Current Affairs"


yet the the AP is saying they found an interview last year that says doesn't mesh with this story? And they found their interview with her doesn't match what others are reporting?

5/2/2020 6:54:27 PM

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"Based on her 2019 story, I believe that someone at Biden's office, senior staffer or Biden, touched her neck and made her feel uncomfortable"


Maybe it wasn't Biden at all, maybe it was a staffer. I just think this neck touching narrative is kind of naive. She filed a complaint for sexual harassment in 1993 over someone touching her neck and not doing anything else to her? If that's all that happened, that's nothing worse then what he's done to plenty of women on camera over the last couple decades.

And going to the police in Washington, DC in the 90s to accuse a Senator of something might not play out exactly how the justice system is designed to work.

5/2/2020 7:34:53 PM

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" She filed a complaint for sexual harassment in 1993 "


No she didn't.

5/2/2020 7:37:10 PM

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That's what the last quote in your previous post says. I don't know what the AP interview you mentioned afterwards didn't mesh with that, so that's my ignorance.

[Edited on May 2, 2020 at 7:40 PM. Reason : .]

5/2/2020 7:40:20 PM

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The AP interview, via transcripts and video, says she went in to some office (she doesn't remember the name of) and chickened out. She said she put basic information on a clipboard and left.

She is on record before saying she filed a complaint for sexual harassment. She also says she went to senior staffers to complain. The senior staffers don't remember it. She is also now calling the AP liars.

5/2/2020 7:43:41 PM

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Apparently At the dinner where a 14 year old said Biden said she had nice tits, Biden never attended that dinner.

Some guy though that looks like Biden is a perv though and part of politics somewhere...

5/3/2020 10:11:44 AM

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She didn't use the specific words "sexual harassment" in her filing, but the actions themselves were sexual harassment. Do you not agree?

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"“I remember talking about him wanting me to serve drinks because he liked my legs and thought I was pretty and it made me uncomfortable,” Reade said in an interview Friday with The Associated Press. “I know that I was too scared to write about the sexual assault.”

Reade told the AP twice that she did not use the phrase “sexual harassment” in filing the complaint, but at other points in the interview said that was the behavior she believed she was describing. She said: “I talked about sexual harassment, retaliation. The main word I used – and I know I didn’t use sexual harassment — I used ‘uncomfortable.’ And I remember ‘retaliation.’”"


You're trying to pick holes in her story and form inconsistencies that aren't there. This is exactly the same thing Republicans did to Christine Blasey-Ford and it's gross.

5/3/2020 10:18:44 AM

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Actually, I'm just done with this. Her story changes constantly, it's full of inconsistencies, major publications have now caught her in lies. She just canceled her interviews she had scheduled because her story fell apart and she needs another week to be coached into yet another one.

Dave isn't going to be satisfied with anything that doesn't result in Bernie getting the nomination some how.

[Edited on May 3, 2020 at 11:01 AM. Reason : a]

5/3/2020 10:50:40 AM

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"major publications have now caught her in lies."


What lies? The AP story doesn't show a lie. They misrepresented her statement.

5/3/2020 11:11:13 AM

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https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/weve-got-some-early-trump-vs-biden-swing-state-polling/

5/3/2020 12:25:11 PM

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