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"It’s weird to say the least that guiliani, as the president’s personal criminal defense lawyer, was so involved in American foreign policy..."

It's not just weird. It should be fucking illegal.

9/29/2019 2:16:23 PM

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This was a great recap of everything that happened so far.

9/29/2019 2:28:56 PM

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Trump is a fuckin G, man.

He more than likely released those "unclassified" transcripts just to get people talking about biden. I wouldn't be surprised if this was all a part of his plan.

He knows that he can beat Warren and that Biden is his only real threat.



[Edited on September 29, 2019 at 7:10 PM. Reason : k]

9/29/2019 7:05:46 PM

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Yeah, it’s definitely 18-D chess.

Jesus, State must have just given out degrees like candy.

[Edited on September 29, 2019 at 8:23 PM. Reason : X]

9/29/2019 8:23:31 PM

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Kevin McCarthy giving Devin Nunes a run for his money after tonight’s appearance on 60 Minutes

9/29/2019 9:40:34 PM

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^^ I am not trying to defend him, but this is all working in his favor right now.

9/30/2019 1:08:15 AM

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member last year when schiff was the one trying to get political help from the ukraine?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5355713/Adam-Schiff-spoofed-Russian-claim-nude-Trump-pic.html

9/30/2019 11:28:02 AM

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^^Sure thing man....

If you just keep adding dimensions the chess game then you will never lose!

[Edited on September 30, 2019 at 11:45 AM. Reason : ]

9/30/2019 11:38:26 AM

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well thats worked for trump so far

9/30/2019 11:43:17 AM

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This is not in any way working in Trump's favor. Fox News has been running critical segments, a few GOP House members have condemned Trump, Trump is tweeting about civil war, Russia is now taunting Trump about call transcripts, Trump proxies fell completely flat on their faces in Sunday morning shows... this is what we all envisioned would happen with the Mueller report.

Volker has resigned due to this, Barr has distances himself from Guiliani... this is a complete disaster for Trump at this point.

9/30/2019 11:51:43 AM

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dear god please dont say that. actually certain users should be prohibited from talking about this or the election until they are over.

9/30/2019 11:53:40 AM

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Its one of those things that will work until it doesn't and at that point everything comes unraveled.

9/30/2019 11:54:30 AM

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im so jaded at this point i wont be satisfied until hes literally 99.99% fucked and this doesnt currently approach that. also you better believe as soon as he is fucked some terrible medical thing will happen to him.

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July 15, 1973

WASHINGTON—”One of the healthiest Presidents in history,” as Richard Nixon's doctor once described him, was hospitalized last week with viral pneumonia, the first time he has missed a day's work because of illness since entering the White House.

Sep 24, 1974 - LONG BEACH, Calif., Sept. 23—A physically fatigued Richard M. Nixon was admitted to Memorial Hospital Medical Center today, 45 days after his resignation as President, for extensive tests and treatment of a flare-up of chronic phlebitis, a condition in his left-leg.

[Edited on September 30, 2019 at 12:02 PM. Reason : a]

9/30/2019 12:01:31 PM

bubster5041
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I don't care what happens to him 45 days after he resigns.

9/30/2019 12:26:33 PM

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Of course anything can still happen, this is one of the worst scandals in recent politics and the democrats can still manage to screw it up. But it’s very far from being good for trump.

9/30/2019 12:40:55 PM

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It doesn't even sound like he's putting together a team to handle the impeachment. He thinks he can handle it himself.

9/30/2019 12:45:14 PM

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https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2019-09-29/former-ukraine-prosecutor-says-no-wrongdoing-biden

Very damning interview with recent Ukrainian prosecutor.

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" Lutsenko, who was fired as prosecutor general last month, said he had urged Giuliani to launch a U.S. inquiry and go to court if he had any evidence but not to use Ukraine to conduct a political vendetta that could affect the U.S. election.

“I said, ‘Let’s put this through prosecutors, not through presidents,’ ” Lutsenko told The Times.

“I told him I could not start an investigation just for the interests of an American official,” he said."


[Edited on September 30, 2019 at 1:41 PM. Reason : ]

9/30/2019 1:40:07 PM

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Banjo seems to be the only one who understands how this has worked for the last several years. Trump takes advantage of the media's lack of credibility but for this strategy to be most effective, he HAS to give them ammunition to attack him with. If the media isn't attacking him, then he cannot be viewed as a contrasting power that is "opposite" of the media in the minds of voters. Sometimes, this even applies to fox. Its like this. If most MSM is attacking him, he's a good republican, but if even fox is attacking him its amplified because it means, he's unlike any other politician and probably draining the swamp. He needs to be viewed outside of everything in DC, even republicans.

That brings me to the deep state. The deep state is hypothetically bipartisan and has had a stranglehold over the country for a long time. When people say "drain the swamp", they are talking about the deep state, not capitalists in cabinet positions. Draining the swamp is the one campaign promise Trump has not delivered so he needed this scandal. He's already gone after Hillary and she is irrelevant so What better way to check off that box than to go after the next biggest swamp politician? Now he gets to use the "everybody vs Trump" narrative as if he and his supporters are fighting the ultimate fight against the deep state, media, and democrats.

When he talks about "spies" and the whistleblower, he's hinting deep state.

Also there was only one whistleblower and the statements are not consistent. Why weren't there more whistleblowers? Why did the Ukrainian president clear him when he could have leveraged this to get better deals? and what a blunder by schiff making up a fake dialogue to read to congress. The mueller accusations were actually pretty serious. Trump's winning this one easily and the worse its made out to be the better it will end up for him.

[Edited on September 30, 2019 at 2:45 PM. Reason : k]

9/30/2019 2:42:26 PM

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" Draining the swamp is the one campaign promise Trump has not delivered so he needed this scandal."


Good point. The new wall that Mexico paid for has repealed Obamacare while providing 4% GDP and reducing the deficit by removing our trade deficit with China.

Thanks, Federalist writer Earl.

[Edited on September 30, 2019 at 2:56 PM. Reason : Muh deeeeeppppp ssttttatteeee]

9/30/2019 2:56:13 PM

utowncha
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"banjo seems to be the only one who understands" and "that brings me to the deep state"

two things that should never be uttered



[Edited on September 30, 2019 at 2:58 PM. Reason : dying]

9/30/2019 2:57:22 PM

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https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-staff-warned-ukraine-conspiracy-was-false-ignored-2019-9

Trumps staff putting out info that Guiliani is feeding the crazy to trump

9/30/2019 2:59:38 PM

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His name is Seth Rich, guys.

9/30/2019 3:00:18 PM

utowncha
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rudy is a heckuva good fall guy tho

9/30/2019 3:00:39 PM

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/attorney-general-barr-personally-asked-foreign-officials-to-aid-inquiry-into-cia-fbi-activities-in-2016/2019/09/30/d50cd5c4-e3a5-11e9-b403-f738899982d2_story.html

A new allegation that Barr has been personally meeting for foreign people (not necessarily gov officials) to possibly help trump's campaign.

Looking like Guiliani, Barr, and the 2 Fox News people were Trump's personal team to use the power of the Executive Branch for campaign purposes.

9/30/2019 5:50:37 PM

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How does that help his campaign?

As far as I can see it is just trying to aid Putin by discrediting the consensus of western intelligence?

It’s awful, pathetic and dangerous but not really a campaign related thing.

[Edited on September 30, 2019 at 6:12 PM. Reason : X]

9/30/2019 6:11:55 PM

moron
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Just now seeing the news House committee has subpoenaed Giulianis records on contacts with Ukraine.

9/30/2019 6:40:15 PM

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Hope they're ready to find America's Mayor in contempt. That's one rat who'll go down with the ship.

9/30/2019 6:58:52 PM

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Now the media is trying to slowly sift in the narrative that the "momentum" is trending towards impeachment. I'm able to sniff it out because its the same way they use polls to shift public opinion towards the candidates they support. You guys would only be able to sniff it out if the same media tactics were being used to help trump. You're not stupid you just use wishful thinking to go with it because you want him gone so bad you're willing to suspend the reality that the whole case is weak.

omg guys no one supports impeachment!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbixdV2F6Ts
You can't watch this new Trump ad and tell me its not nD chess

[Edited on September 30, 2019 at 8:20 PM. Reason : impeachment passing house and losing in senate is best case for trump. all roads lead there]

9/30/2019 8:17:01 PM

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^what is worst case for Trump?

9/30/2019 8:30:40 PM

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I’m sure Susan Collins, Cory Gardner, Thom Tillis, Martha McSalley et al are super pumped to have an impeachment hearing six months before an election.

9/30/2019 8:39:23 PM

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^and maybe you are on to some 4-D chess being played by the democrats. If they know they can't win the election and know they can't remove him from office, maybe they are only impeaching him with the weak stuff so that they can turn some of these contested senate seats and take a majority in the senate in the aftermath of Trump's acquittal. Then they could start over next term and actually have better odds to remove him on a second impeachment with live ammunition.

^^Obviously a removal by the senate is the only way this could go wrong for trump but that also happens to be the most improbable outcome. This entire thing could just be a way to get more votes in the senate for Trump's second term but i still don't see them reaching 67. Its such at all task but at least they could take a senate majority by forcing out contested GOP senators. At worst, it seems like Trump having his hands tied in his 2nd term because of all of this.

i bet they would be in the 50s right now but they are still prolly 15-25 senators away from removal. If you ignore the improbable idea of his removal, worst case for trump is losing senate. that just means he won't get to pick the next scotus if there is one in the next 4 years.

[Edited on September 30, 2019 at 9:05 PM. Reason : no more confirmations is the worst damage that could be done.]

9/30/2019 8:58:46 PM

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Gorka is traveling to europe with Pompeo now.

9/30/2019 9:05:26 PM

moron
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https://www.deseret.com/2007/4/23/20014594/gonzales-says-he-intends-to-remain-as-attorney-general-bush-voices-support

This is a good reference to look back to, when Bush’s AG was accused of improper interference and had to resign

9/30/2019 9:35:56 PM

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Trump asked Australian PM to help investigate Russia inquiry
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-49887733

US President Donald Trump called Australian PM Scott Morrison and asked for his help with an investigation into the origins of the Mueller inquiry, Australian officials have confirmed.

And of course, the poodle agreed to help.

10/1/2019 2:35:20 AM

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GOP Senator Grassley says the whistelblower followed all laws and needs to be protected and listened to.

10/1/2019 11:34:58 AM

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apparently there was a different whistleblower who messaged members of the house ways and means committee on July 29 with an allegation of inappropriate efforts to influence an IRS audit of Trump and Pence

10/1/2019 2:15:23 PM

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https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/state-dept-inspector-general-expected-urgent-ukraine-briefing/story?id=65991911

State dept IG having an “urgent” meeting with congress tomorrow morning— highly unusual considering Congress is in recess

10/1/2019 5:48:12 PM

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https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/01/us/politics/trump-border-wars.html

Trump wanted a moat at the border with alligators and snakes

10/1/2019 6:17:05 PM

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"Privately, the president had often talked about fortifying a border wall with a water-filled trench, stocked with snakes or alligators, prompting aides to seek a cost estimate."


Not just part of 'no bad ideas' brainstorming session. Someone actually spent time pricing out a 2,000 mile monster-filled moat.

That whole article is nuts.

10/1/2019 6:34:52 PM

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I can’t see how these otherwise educated people and highly experienced people can’t or don’t instantly shut this down.

I find it a little bizarre how easily trump was able to imprint his personality onto all of these institutions.

10/1/2019 10:03:50 PM

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It's right there in the article. The educated and highly experienced people were fired for saying things like:

"We can't build a 2,000 mile alligator-filled moat."

"A concrete wall actually isn't a practical solution."

"Painting the border wall black is absurdly expensive with little benefit."

"We can't just take land from private landowners."

"It's illegal to shoot people."

"It's also illegal to shoot people in the legs." (my personal favorite)

10/2/2019 10:21:51 AM

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10/2/2019 11:37:59 AM

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https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/1179432923533058048?s=21

He’s going to 100% try and arrest politicians. Of course, no one will but be will ask.

Also, lol at any ignorant fool who thinks he wants to be impeached. He’s terrified and it’s driving him even more insane.

10/2/2019 12:34:10 PM

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10/2/2019 1:53:30 PM

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I could say that anonymous sources told me X and run it as a story as long as X is believable.
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"This article is based on interviews with more than a dozen White House and administration officials directly involved in the events of that week in March. They were granted anonymity to describe sensitive conversations with the president and top officials in the government."

I actually question it because these things sound exactly how I would expect Trump to sound. Its almost like how the SNL skits sound. NYT has done that in the past and the motive is there because its cheap, easy to do. and brings in a lot of viewers. Above all, theres no risk in running it because no one will question any attack on this president and no one can ever confirm or deny because the imaginary sources are invisible. It only enhances the prevailing narrative.

10/2/2019 2:51:15 PM

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https://slate.com/culture/2019/10/donald-trump-snake-alligator-moat-kubla-khan-coleridge.html

So much smugness

10/2/2019 3:34:11 PM

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Anyone else notice that during his insane rant, he basically provided his motivation to dig up dirt on Biden in the first place? He said something like "Biden is the strongest candidate and the one I want to run against the most," before adding those dumb talking points about corruption.

10/2/2019 3:55:56 PM

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That IG briefing was not good for trump

https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/02/politics/state-department-inspector-general-briefing-congress/index.html
State Department inspector general gives Congress bizarre packet of 'disinformation'

[Edited on October 2, 2019 at 7:29 PM. Reason : .]

10/2/2019 7:09:13 PM

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I don't subscribe to "the enemy of my enemy is my friend"

Trump is awful but so are the democratic leaders and the entire political establishment. The media are awful too. They all created each other and we are all victims of all of them. The entire system born out of criminality is awful. I'm not cheering for Pelosi I'm cheering for the entire system to collapse.

If I had to rank my presidents from worst to least bad it would go like this

1. W Bush
-a lot of distance
2. Reagan
3. Clinton
4. HW Bush
-a lot of distance
5. Trump
6. Obama

They all violated human rights and broke the law which is why I get so mad when people act like Trump is new bad.

[Edited on October 2, 2019 at 7:41 PM. Reason : theres no way pelosi was against impeaching clinton bush and trump(for other stuff) but for this]

10/2/2019 7:36:51 PM

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^^Alright, we gotta know where this shit originated. I really wanna know which direction the shit flows.

Like does Giuliani invent this shit and launders it through John Solomon, Barr, Pompeo, Trump or vice versa, or are all these hacks being fed from the FSB or what.

[Edited on October 2, 2019 at 7:42 PM. Reason : ^^]

10/2/2019 7:38:42 PM

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