AstralEngine All American 3864 Posts user info edit post |
| Ball State (1-2) | | | vs | | | NC State (2-1) | |
| Saturday, September 21st, 7:00pm TV: ESPNU |
GO STATE!
#astralengine4STMod9/20/2019 10:47:12 AM |
Dynasty2004 Bawls 5857 Posts user info edit post |
We will win. 9/20/2019 11:03:41 AM |
dmspack oh we back 25500 Posts user info edit post |
19 point spread. I think we cover. I’ll say 38-14 9/20/2019 11:58:09 AM |
Kickstand All American 11592 Posts user info edit post |
I have a crazy idea! If we jump out to an early lead on the Cardinals, maybe get Hockman in for some reps with the first team. I know it's crazy, but what's the point of tune-up games if players aren't allowed to get some D-1 experience? 9/20/2019 12:44:47 PM |
Dynasty2004 Bawls 5857 Posts user info edit post |
I think you see Hockman finish this game and start FSU 9/20/2019 12:59:51 PM |
dmspack oh we back 25500 Posts user info edit post |
i don't really disagree...but couldn't you argue that those reps are just as important for mckay to improve and gain experience? like, if the coaches are sold on mckay because they've seen in practice he's simply better than hockman or leary, aren't those reps just as valuable to mckay as we head into acc season? 9/20/2019 1:00:29 PM |
Dynasty2004 Bawls 5857 Posts user info edit post |
I agree, but we need Hockman to at least show he can throw the ball. How long til the boo birdds come out when Matthew cant make a pass or overthrows someone.
i'm still on the fence with changing but I think Hockman needs extended game time against someone other than our shitty defense. 9/20/2019 1:02:46 PM |
dmspack oh we back 25500 Posts user info edit post |
I haven’t been overly impressed with McKay, obviously. I guess I just put more faith in the staff, that sees these guys practice and know what they are and are not capable of. But yeah, getting Hockman game reps that isn’t mop up duty isn’t a bad idea. 9/20/2019 1:14:04 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148436 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "but we need Hockman to at least show he can throw the ball. " |
but what if he can't9/20/2019 1:56:03 PM |
Dynasty2004 Bawls 5857 Posts user info edit post |
Then at least we know, and that this is one of those years and pray Finley is good. 9/20/2019 2:12:46 PM |
Kickstand All American 11592 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "i don't really disagree...but couldn't you argue that those reps are just as important for mckay to improve and gain experience? like, if the coaches are sold on mckay because they've seen in practice he's simply better than hockman or leary, aren't those reps just as valuable to mckay as we head into acc season?" |
I didn't say it, but it was implied by my post that Hockman could have gotten some reps against WCU. The coaches must see a big difference between the 2 in practice... It could also be a case of Doeren not wanting to expose the whole playbook until ACC play, thus getting McKay really familiar with the offense, but that's a stretch considering our vanilla play calling.9/20/2019 2:27:29 PM |
dmspack oh we back 25500 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Then at least we know, and that this is one of those years and pray Finley is good" |
But *we* don’t need to know it. The staff is who needs to know it. And they may already know that9/20/2019 2:52:58 PM |
Bullet All American 28410 Posts user info edit post |
Guys, McKay has only played 3 college games, and only one meaningful one. He's probably going to get a least a little better. 9/20/2019 2:58:09 PM |
dmspack oh we back 25500 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "I didn't say it, but it was implied by my post that Hockman could have gotten some reps against WCU. The coaches must see a big difference between the 2 in practice..." |
If it’s really close or even kinda close, then yeah I’m all for letting Hockman or Leary get real game reps. But if the staff is really sure that McKay is the guy best suited to run the O, then it’s better that he get those extra reps. I guess it really comes down to how close the QB competition was or still is.
^yeah I agree. I think its normal to have growing pains when breaking in a new QB...and new OCs.
[Edited on September 20, 2019 at 3:00 PM. Reason : H]
[Edited on September 20, 2019 at 3:00 PM. Reason : J]9/20/2019 2:59:08 PM |
rwoody Save TWW 37671 Posts user info edit post |
Doeren has shown no interest in giving backup qbs game reps in his career
McKay had 8 attempts last year, 3 for mclendon the year before, trend continues.... 9/20/2019 3:52:38 PM |
tower All American 12280 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | " He's probably going to get a least a little better." |
Yeah the problem is he has a long way to go to get to even average P5 QB play
He had the worst QBR in the ACC before the West Virginia game9/20/2019 4:59:22 PM |
justinh524 Sprots Talk Mod 27825 Posts user info edit post |
Tommy DeVito has a worse rating.
(By every rating metric except ESPN's dumbass total qbr)] 9/20/2019 6:10:13 PM |
packboozie All American 17452 Posts user info edit post |
You are going to win this game, play Hockman and Leary the whole game. See what they've got. McKay is not going to instantly develop touch and accuracy nor is he is going to quickly get better. He also eyes down his receiver and telegraphs passes, these aren't quick fixes. Looking at a 6-6 season if he is the best we got.
[Edited on September 21, 2019 at 9:51 AM. Reason : It's not like he's earned the full time gig] 9/21/2019 9:50:24 AM |
justinh524 Sprots Talk Mod 27825 Posts user info edit post |
Leary isn't seeing the field this season barring some catastrophic injuries.
Quote : | "It's not like he's earned the full time gig" |
It's pretty clear the coaches think he has.]9/21/2019 10:39:49 AM |
dmspack oh we back 25500 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "You are going to win this game, play Hockman and Leary the whole game. " |
I don’t think there’s a football coach in the nation that would agree with that philosophy.
^ yea, McKay is the starter. That doesn’t mean there’s no more competition and nothing is really set in stone. But the coaches see them everyday. If they think it’s McKay’s job and it’s not *that* close...then I trust them. I don’t personally need to see Hockman or Leary.9/21/2019 11:30:39 AM |
AstralEngine All American 3864 Posts user info edit post |
Do nothing but 45 yard bomb passes. The whole game. Until McKay figures them out 9/21/2019 6:54:29 PM |
rwoody Save TWW 37671 Posts user info edit post |
JSW still out. Assume McCloud is too. 9/21/2019 6:55:49 PM |
marko Tom Joad 72828 Posts user info edit post |
Pbbbbbbbtttrhhhhhh 9/21/2019 7:24:46 PM |
WCH777 All American 2378 Posts user info edit post |
anyone got a link? no espn u here. 9/21/2019 7:31:53 PM |
yrey All American 1150 Posts user info edit post |
Hockman replaced McKay. Got a first down with his legs, threw a nice pass that wasn't caught by the receiver and ended up in a turnover. Ball State looks like the better team thus far. 9/21/2019 7:55:51 PM |
ncwolfpack All American 3958 Posts user info edit post |
That was a good throw by Hockman. Wouldn’t have been an INT if McKay was in though because the ball would have landed in Hillsborough 9/21/2019 7:57:44 PM |
yrey All American 1150 Posts user info edit post |
^ It was a nice pass, that wasn't on Hockman. Would like to see him get a couple of more series in to pass a verdict. 9/21/2019 7:59:41 PM |
tower All American 12280 Posts user info edit post |
It wasn't a bad throw, wouldn't say it was a good one though.
I've seen enough that I'd like to see more. Ultimately, we're probably talking Matt Moore vs Jimmy Clausen (in a world where you don't get Cam Newton for playing the bad one more), so give me Matt Moore 9/21/2019 8:00:39 PM |
ncwolfpack All American 3958 Posts user info edit post |
The throw was right on target. What more do you want from the QB? 9/21/2019 8:02:04 PM |
tower All American 12280 Posts user info edit post |
I know the "Thayer Thomas is our best QB" thing was a joke, but he throws a pretty nice ball
[Edited on September 21, 2019 at 8:04 PM. Reason : ^it was behind the receiver, which is how it got popped up. shouldnt be an INT, but not perfect] 9/21/2019 8:02:29 PM |
ncwolfpack All American 3958 Posts user info edit post |
Guess I didn’t notice it was behind him. I didn’t say it was perfect. Honesty, I’d rather just concede the point than try to qualify every post and statement to avoid arguments over semantics. It was a good throw. Should have been caught. You knew what I meant. Now do you want to talk about the game or nitpick over semantics? Aren’t we all in our 30s now? Goddamn 9/21/2019 8:08:52 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148436 Posts user info edit post |
9/21/2019 8:10:28 PM |
ncwolfpack All American 3958 Posts user info edit post |
McKay looked shaaaarp on that drive. Maybe the best 3 min of the season for him so far
[Edited on September 21, 2019 at 8:23 PM. Reason : ] 9/21/2019 8:22:34 PM |
Kickstand All American 11592 Posts user info edit post |
^^ nice clip. What does it have to do with the game? 9/21/2019 8:49:34 PM |
yrey All American 1150 Posts user info edit post |
Thomas returned a punt for 76 yards. 9/21/2019 8:59:30 PM |
rwoody Save TWW 37671 Posts user info edit post |
Need a gif of the block from the TT return where the guy got flipped!
[Edited on September 21, 2019 at 9:07 PM. Reason : ^he also scored a td!! ] 9/21/2019 9:06:52 PM |
horosho Suspended 2001 Posts user info edit post |
Night game. Playing well. 75 degrees. Still empty in the 3rd. Whats the excuse now? 9/21/2019 9:26:41 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148436 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "nice clip. What does it have to do with the game?" |
the announcers said one of the Ball State players' nicknames was "Sticks"9/21/2019 9:33:18 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148436 Posts user info edit post |
dbl
[Edited on September 21, 2019 at 9:33 PM. Reason : post] 9/21/2019 9:33:18 PM |
rwoody Save TWW 37671 Posts user info edit post |
Their qb has missed two easy tds 9/21/2019 9:36:46 PM |
marko Tom Joad 72828 Posts user info edit post |
Pbbbbbbbbttthhhhhhhh 9/21/2019 9:44:41 PM |
Wolfman Tim All American 9654 Posts user info edit post |
LOL. Thank God the other coach is playing not to win. 9/21/2019 9:48:22 PM |
rwoody Save TWW 37671 Posts user info edit post |
Lol why didn't they go for 2?? 9/21/2019 10:15:32 PM |
rwoody Save TWW 37671 Posts user info edit post |
3rd tipped int of the game 2 big special teams plays 2 big misses by BS qb
Weird game 9/21/2019 10:19:35 PM |
Wolfman Tim All American 9654 Posts user info edit post |
We're not a good football team
9/21/2019 10:22:11 PM |
marko Tom Joad 72828 Posts user info edit post |
Announcers going all in on Toby. 9/21/2019 10:24:23 PM |
jbtilley All American 12797 Posts user info edit post |
Might win a conference game this year. Might. 9/21/2019 10:27:18 PM |
horosho Suspended 2001 Posts user info edit post |
There is no excuse this time. It is an epidemic. Playing on a neutral field just doesn't compare as a player. Of course you can't finish strong. I want more than two home games per year. A lot of restaurants have a penalty for leaving food on the plate and I would be interested in hearing about something similar for making people watch the whole game. 9/21/2019 10:27:43 PM |
rwoody Save TWW 37671 Posts user info edit post |
PLEASE PAY ATTN TO ME AND ARGUE ABOUT THIS! lol 9/21/2019 10:29:53 PM |
Wolfman Tim All American 9654 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Might win a conference game this year. Might." |
Louisville is winnable. So is GT.9/21/2019 10:40:43 PM |