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I mean his 247 composite is still a 3 star

5/5/2021 6:06:45 PM

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"Pass also moved up to a four-star on the 247Sports Composite Rankings, despite the fact that one service doesn't have him listed as a four-star player at this point. ESPN just awarded Pass his fourth star last week in its final rankings, but also ranked the rest of the NC State class considerably lower than 247Sports, which hurt the Composite rankings."

5/5/2021 6:22:20 PM

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Well then they need to update their goddamn website

https://247sports.com/player/breon-pass-46083463/

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5/5/2021 6:30:20 PM

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"Boozie tried to tell us, but we just wouldn't listen to him!"


I'll go on record and say that Pass won't be better than Shak Moore....

5/5/2021 6:46:32 PM

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Cool

5/5/2021 7:03:22 PM

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^^he's a guard named Pass, and you really don't think he'll be good?

anyways, i'll go on record as saying Pass will be better than Moore...just for the hell of it

5/6/2021 6:41:14 AM

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I'll bet on Booze being correct.

5/6/2021 9:47:33 AM

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I bet they'll have a somewhat comparable freshman season. They'll each have their strengths and weaknesses. Some will argue that Moore had a better season. Some will argue Pass did. And we still won't know the full reason why an 18/19-year old kid decided to transfer after averaging 19 minutes his freshman season (behind a senior who averaged 25 minutes).

5/6/2021 10:00:09 AM

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I’m not pretending to be in the know. But it seems like Moore probably saw a crowded backcourt and wanted to go somewhere where he could be the #1 guy...maybe there were other factors at play, I’m sure there are. And maybe I’m wrong. But it doesn’t feel like some grand mystery. And it doesn’t feel like it’s all because KK played BB more minutes.

5/6/2021 10:47:17 AM

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^i certainly don't know either, but I tend to think that's more of the reason

and I'm not trying to be the "we didn't want him anyways"-guy, but if the main reason he left was because a coach started an experienced senior (that was a starter the majority of his career) over him, and played the senior an average of 6 more minutes a game.... then that's a pretty shitty reason to leave. He had talent and a lot of potential, but he wasn't close to an NBA-talent type of player, at least not yet. But i don't really don't think that was a huge factor in his decision.

5/6/2021 12:04:18 PM

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https://twitter.com/PackPride/status/1390501245660635137?s=19

5/6/2021 11:19:59 PM

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You could just post the link to the article

5/7/2021 12:41:19 AM

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Guys, somehow in this conversation it's being lost that Moore didn't just sit behind BB (an experienced senior who could shoot and contribute in the right role). He sat behind Allen too until Allen got hurt. Allen was Mr. Invisible all year and one of the most disappointing players in recent memory after him being hyped all off-season. He was a complete non-creator and he scored in double figures 3 times--all in embarrassing Ls. It's not a coincidence that our winning streak started literally the game after Allen got hurt.

So yeah, if you want to blame a "crowded backcourt" as the reason why Shak left, I guess so. I would just argue that it only seemed crowded to Shak because he just got finished watching a year's worth of less talented players play in front of him. He was likely expecting more of that. That's on Keatts.

I'm on the Pass's freshman year not being as good as Moore's boat too. More likely, we won't even see Pass or Smith's potential because Keatts is gonna play Allen 30 min a night. We are gonna see a steady diet of

Hayes
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Seabron
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Bates

With the UVA kid, Smith, Pass and Gantt getting the rest of the minutes. Ross or Gibson will probably play some too if Bates gets in foul trouble. If that prediction is true, and he doesn't let Pass and Smith get time over Allen, then it's gonna be another long season and we may be seeing more transfers.

[Edited on May 7, 2021 at 4:59 PM. Reason : d]

5/7/2021 4:58:39 PM

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"Allen was Mr. Invisible all year and one of the most disappointing players in recent memory after him being hyped all off-season."


Who exactly was hyping Allen up as some sort of star player? He came here and delivered pretty much exactly what he showed in 2 years at Nebraska: good defense and the ability to hit some 3s.

5/7/2021 6:14:15 PM

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This is the part where I explain that there was twitter buzz from his sitting out year that he was the best guard on the roster at practice and then you discredit the yahoos on twitter because what the fuck do they know. Fair enough. Suffice to say, there was at least some hype that Allen was a player. He was not. He was an average defender (and undersized as a two guard--especially when you are playing him alongside 5'11 BB) and he occasionally shot the 3 ball well. If that's the argument for him playing over one of the most talented players on the team and someone who was at minimum as good on defense as Allen while also being probably the best creator on offense we had last season and someone who regularly came up with big plays, then 'nuff said.

5/7/2021 8:31:45 PM

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I’ll bite. I don’t remember the chatter about Allen being the best guard on the roster.

5/9/2021 8:36:41 AM

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I think he must be confusing him with Seabron

5/9/2021 4:30:15 PM

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Let's not let my poor memory of random twitter conversations 2 years ago detract from the overall point that it was fuckin ludicrous that Allen played as much as he did over Shak.

It's clear KK has a type. He values not turning the ball over above just about anything else. And guess what? When you never even attempt to make any basketball plays, you are never in danger of turning it over. Who cares if we go on major scoring droughts because noone can do anything? Who cares if we lose the one creative playmaker we had on the team?

5/9/2021 8:19:44 PM

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Ludicrous that the guy who was the second best 3 point shooter and a capable defender played over the true freshman who struggled with turnovers.

5/9/2021 9:12:24 PM

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^^I hate that Shak left, I really wish he would have stayed. I think he was talented and had a lot of potential. But I think you're misremembering how he performed this year. (in addition to misremembering the "buzz" surrounding Allen) Shak had some good games, and made some incredible plays, but he was pretty inconsistent, struggled with turnovers, and had plenty of mediocre/bad games. Like you would expect from a 3 or 4 star freshman. I don't think KK treated him any differently than most coaches would have.

(and that's the last I'll say about that)

5/10/2021 2:35:45 PM

justinh524
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He played 19 minutes a game!

5/10/2021 3:18:41 PM

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Also for defense I bet none of us are breaking down games and probably most remember the excellent plays and forget the rest. For example at clemson he got the overtime forcing block...but also previously gave up the overtime forcing 3. Maybe it was 95% former and 5% latter but I just bet none of us armchair coaches can give a great read there.

5/10/2021 3:28:26 PM

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My very amateur opinion is that Shak seemed like a good defender in the open court and on ball, definitely could get steals and get the team in transition. Didn’t get beat off the dribble much, generally did a good job of stopping the ball. But he also got lost at times in the half court. And yeah, I’m not breaking down film. My evidence is purely anecdotal. I’m not knocking him. He was a freshman. Growing pains are to be expected.

[Edited on May 10, 2021 at 6:25 PM. Reason : Mostly just saying he’s not quite elite level on D. As a freshman. Which is fine. ]

5/10/2021 6:25:06 PM

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Moore and Garrison Brooks will team up for Miss St.....who is on our schedule in a tournament with us next year


[Edited on May 17, 2021 at 2:49 PM. Reason : Not sure if we'll play them? ]

5/17/2021 2:48:05 PM

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Twitter rumors flying about Bates? WTF is going on over here?

5/17/2021 8:21:30 PM

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If that happens, I'd assume he's going to a blue blood program like Kentucky. Although the ultimate betrayal would be transferring to UNC.

5/17/2021 11:06:37 PM

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"Based on my conversations with two different sources, it sounds like Manny Bates will not be playing basketball at NC State next season, as @InsidePackSport first reported.

Have heard two different versions as to why Bates is expected to transfer

One source says it is about the NBA draft process and how it was handled by Keatts/NC State.

The other source says it's about the reality of the transfer portal and other schools tampering/poaching/recruiting/promising bigger better things"

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5/18/2021 10:02:22 AM

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Hearing Georgetown from sources and weirdly also Georgia Tech but might be mixing that up because it sounds similar? Who knows but this would be a big blow.

5/18/2021 10:17:46 AM

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Shit, this sucks. Have to assume a bigger name school came calling. But if it’s Georgia Tech wtf man.

5/18/2021 10:21:47 AM

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Once again, I liked Shak and hate that he left, but this would be a much bigger blow.

5/18/2021 10:32:27 AM

rwoody
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I'm hearing Beverly took Bates' minutes

5/18/2021 10:35:41 AM

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^^hell if it's Georgetown it's still WTF. They were his other finalist coming out of HS so that would at least make a tiny bit of sense, but not really. College sports are almost dead to me.

5/18/2021 10:36:44 AM

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More #analysis from gigs
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"If it's the latter, which I'm inclined to believe, I'm not sure what else Keatts was supposed to do.

Developed Manny, gave him every possible minute of playing time and has a very good relationship with him

There are players who leave and I'm not surprised, based on their contentious relationship with the coach.

This is one that would not fall into that category.

Not going to lie, this one is a head-scratcher but also feels like a part of the new reality of the portal

who doesn't like to be wooed/courted and told nice things?

Delivering on the reality of those nice things doesn't always come home.

See: Sarr, Olivier"

5/18/2021 10:38:26 AM

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^^ yeah def would be wtf still, but at least there may be a Pat Ewing factor that is appealing to a big man. But yeah...

I don’t know that Shak is the difference in us making or missing the NCAAT. But Bates definitely is. Hell, no Bates and we probably aren’t an NIT team unless we can get some immediate impact transfer in.

5/18/2021 11:04:59 AM

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The sky is falling.

5/18/2021 11:08:03 AM

justinh524
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I mean none of these college kids ever saw Ewing play a game.

5/18/2021 11:17:27 AM

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^right. i think that was some the speculation when yurtseven went to georgetown....that he thought Ewing could get him to the NBA.

seems like a stretch, i was just making wild speculation over here.

sucks if he's gone (which sounds like the case, although i don't think there's been official word from the school or him)

5/18/2021 11:58:43 AM

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I thought the speculation was that Yurts cousin/uncle got paid

5/18/2021 11:59:37 AM

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oh...i didn't remember that, but i knew there were some tampering accusations. so yeah feel free to ignore me.

5/18/2021 12:09:47 PM

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Could be a little of both!

I only remembered bc of giglio:
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5/18/2021 12:24:10 PM

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two sources, each telling a different story

#sources

5/18/2021 1:37:50 PM

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Yep. This is an even worse loss than Shak. It's not hard to argue that we just lost our two best returning players in the span of a month. I don't fuckin understand why both of them waited so goddamn long in the process.

Whether this one was Keatt's fault or not, I can't see this going well for him after another season missing the NCAAs which we almost certainly will.

If this is the new college basketball, then I'm becoming less and less interested in it anyways. NCAA fucked up by not paying players years ago. Now the power pendulum is gonna swing way too far on the player side and there is gonna be nothing left to cheer for.

5/18/2021 4:22:51 PM

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"It's not hard to argue that we just lost our two best returning players in the span of a month."


Actually, it's really hard to argue that.

5/18/2021 4:30:45 PM

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DD not on list of srs declaring for draft?

5/18/2021 9:03:10 PM

justinh524
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Not terribly surprising, as long as he's in school they pay for his rehab.

I don't really respect him to play for us again, but if he does that's cool too.

5/18/2021 11:46:54 PM

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Smh glad to see you're true feelings come to light smh

5/19/2021 8:40:19 AM

justinh524
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Goddammit EXPECT

5/19/2021 9:26:50 AM

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Me typing you're instead of your was a subtle reference to your mistake, not a matching mistake by me

5/19/2021 11:34:25 AM

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The freedom of movement for players is really lowering my interest level from what it used to be. Most players are only here for a year or two now, hard to keep up with.

5/19/2021 5:59:27 PM

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Come join us, fellow old man, as we yell at clouds.

5/19/2021 6:00:14 PM

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