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EMCE
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https://us.cnn.com/us/live-news/buffalo-supermarket-mass-shooting/index.html


Feels bad, man

5/14/2022 9:01:23 PM

The Coz
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Thanks a lot, Joe Biden!

He failed to close our borders from racist assholes whole were born, bred, and radicalized here.

I'm sorry.

How can someone who wrote a manifesto and live-streamed the shooting on Twitch plead "not guilty" at his arraignment? Is this so he can have an opportunity to spew more hate speech and attempt to blame victims for his motivation?

5/15/2022 7:40:26 AM

bbehe
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'No Way To Prevent This,' Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens

5/15/2022 8:49:56 AM

EMCE
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^^ I'm blown away by the fact that someone who wrote a very coherent manifesto explicitly stating his racist beliefs and intentions has supporters explaining away his behavior as a mental illness.

Dude wasn't crazy. He knew EXACTLY what he was doing.

5/15/2022 8:58:48 AM

bbehe
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I am all for throwing this dude in jail forever or giving him the chair (I'm pro death penalty in cases where there is absolutely incontrovertible proof).

However, isn't this level of psychopathy/sociopathy obviously mental illness? I'm not saying that excuses anything, more along the lines of "you're right, he does have a mental illness, so let's put more money into mental health resources, stop people like Tucker Carlson from preying on them, and add steps to where know these people can't get firearms".

This dude is beyond rehabilitation though and deserves the strongest possible sentence.

5/15/2022 9:12:15 AM

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Yeah i would assume most mass-murderers are mentally ill. Definitely not insane, the guy clearly knows what he's doing. Fuck this fucking fuck.

5/15/2022 9:46:31 AM

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"WHOLE

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BORN"


Oops!

5/15/2022 9:48:59 AM

EMCE
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In the legal sense, mental illness is discussed in regards to one's ability to stand trial.

5/15/2022 12:52:56 PM

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[Edited on May 15, 2022 at 1:15 PM. Reason : ]

5/15/2022 1:14:55 PM

bbehe
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In all seriousness, how can people not be okay with the death penalty here? There's direct proof, the motive was clear, and this terrorist should never be allowed in society again.

5/15/2022 6:01:11 PM

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"THOUGHTS

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PRAYERS"


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"PROMISING

FUTURE

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[Edited on May 15, 2022 at 6:21 PM. Reason : Someone sent me the video from his POV camera... really really terrible ]

5/15/2022 6:19:52 PM

0EPII1
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Death penalty, straight up.

But no, watch the country waste millions of dollars on scum such as him.

5/15/2022 7:00:23 PM

dmspack
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Happened to be in a room where Fox News was on. Former FBI special agent was being interviewed. He says the only way to prevent events like this is for the family and friends and community to just call the cops if they suspect somebody might be plotting something like this. And then if you call the cops and it’s actually nothing to worry about, then there’s no harm done. Who knew it was so simple! Just call the cops and tell them you think your neighbor is plotting a racist terrorist attack and im sure the cops will just sort it all out either way!

5/15/2022 8:26:16 PM

bbehe
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I'm pretty sure I saw an article saying this dude had been sent to counseling before. Also the MI school shooter kid literally had a parent teacher conference that day.

5/15/2022 8:33:49 PM

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" In all seriousness, how can people not be okay with the death penalty here? There's direct proof, the motive was clear, and this terrorist should never be allowed in society again."


first, the death penalty should be abolished

now that that’s out of the way, the dude was gonna shoot himself before they talked him out of it, don’t give him what he originally wanted and lock him up for the rest of his life so he can suffer consequences until he’s an elderly racist piece of shit

5/15/2022 8:50:26 PM

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"Who knew it was so simple! Just call the cops and tell them you think your neighbor is plotting a racist terrorist attack and im sure the cops will just sort it all out either way!"


Well duh, of course the cops will take care of it: they will break your door down and shoot you, no questions asked!

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"I'm pretty sure I saw an article saying this dude had been sent to counseling before."


It's worse: he threatened to shoot up his high school last year, which is why he was sent to counseling. How he got out of it or how they determined he wasn't a threat anymore, I don't know.

5/15/2022 8:56:49 PM

bbehe
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^^ so just to be clear, you think the death penalty should be abolished because it doesn't punish someone enough?

5/15/2022 9:09:39 PM

thegoodlife3
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I want the death penalty abolished because innocent people have been executed

5/15/2022 9:44:03 PM

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I hear you, but innocent people have also spent decades of their lives behind bars. Which is worse?

5/15/2022 10:29:02 PM

thegoodlife3
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I’d prefer to be pardoned while alive instead of after I’ve been executed by the state

5/15/2022 10:34:23 PM

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I'm sure innocent people have also died in prison. But your reasoning for wanting this particular person locked up and not executed, is because you think life in prison would be a more cruel punishment for him.

5/15/2022 10:37:15 PM

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I don't think we will have to worry about the death penalty once he goes to jail. Unless his white supremacist buddies in prison get to him first to protect him, he's already a dead man.

5/15/2022 10:57:37 PM

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first, the death penalty should be used more often

Now that that’s out of the way, what’s this $60 kit he bought to modify the rifle with his dads power drill? Any gun enthusiasts that can explain what his modification did to the weapon?

5/15/2022 11:07:27 PM

thegoodlife3
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^^^ not about any levels of cruelness, I just think that the death penalty should be abolished

it’s really as simple as that

5/15/2022 11:55:32 PM

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""Since I live in New York, I had to buy a cucked version of this before illegally modifying it,’’ Gendron wrote. “Since I live in cucked New York, and I am only 18, I can’t legally buy a lower or a standard ‘assault rifle.’” He added that he “could’ve even bought a NY-safe featureless rifle, but what kind of cuck does that?”"



https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2022/05/15/buffalo-shooting-gun-bought-bushmaster/

Guy obviously addicted to cuckhold type porn. Cut his balls off and put in jail. Not only suffers for the rest of his life on taxpayer dime, has no balls too

5/16/2022 6:04:40 AM

Pupils DiL8t
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I don't understand what capital punishment would accomplish that life imprisonment wouldn't accomplish, other than satiate our own blood lust.

It's not like the next mass murderer is going to weigh spending the rest of their life in prison versus sitting on death row and being executed as factors when determining whether or not to commit the next atrocity.

5/16/2022 8:42:09 AM

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" It's not like the next mass murderer is going to weigh spending the rest of their life in prison versus sitting on death row and being executed as factors when determining whether or not to commit the next atrocity.
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So. Um…like lets just death penalty the motherfuck?

5/16/2022 8:50:49 AM

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[Edited on May 16, 2022 at 9:00 AM. Reason : ]

5/16/2022 8:59:35 AM

bbehe
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Again, I'm for the death penalty when there is direct evidence (video in this case) that cannot be denied. The options are

1. Terrorist spends life in jail, no chance of parole. Risks of escape, further violence in prison, etc. What does this accomplish? He's beyond rehabilitation and should never be allowed in public again.

2. Death penalty after legal options exhausted.

The shooter is 18. So just going to put him in a cell for 60-70 years? Why?

5/16/2022 9:05:15 AM

EMCE
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Am I the only one that thinks the shooter will find a welcome home in prison amongst other white nationalist gangs?

5/16/2022 10:01:54 AM

bbehe
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No, dude will definitely be protected and celebrated. Which is why I continue to question the need for him to be in prison for decades. Do a trial, let appeals run their course, and then off to the gallows.

5/16/2022 10:23:12 AM

Pupils DiL8t
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Maybe it's the libertarian in me, but I don't think that the state should be putting people to death.

The risks of escape or acts of violence in prison don't seem like valid reasons to kill someone.

5/16/2022 10:26:54 AM

bbehe
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I agree in most cases, however when there is evidence that removes all question and there were multiple fatalities, what exactly is difference between the death sentence and putting someone in jail for 80 years till they die?

5/16/2022 10:31:56 AM

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If there is no general difference between the two outcomes other than whether someone lives or dies, then I feel like the best option is the one in which the state does not kill someone.

5/16/2022 10:47:40 AM

bbehe
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I was asking you what the difference is, I personally believe these is a massive one.

I think the death penalty becomes infinitely more humane, especially if we switched to inert gas suffocation and also negates the risk of escape, horrific prison experiences, continued glorification in prison, etc.

I see no reason the death penalty shouldn't be used when there is zero doubt someone committed premeditated murder of multiple individuals. I don't believe that person can ever serve their penance to society or be reintegrated.

5/16/2022 11:20:02 AM

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I figured libertarians liked the state saying yeah lets kill this unworthy motherfuck.

5/16/2022 11:54:11 AM

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It’s important to abolish the death penalty because, while it’s obvious this terrorist committed horrible crimes, how long before some shitty right wing state punishes abortion with the death penalty? Getting your kid medical care for their gender dysmorphia? Disruptive protests?

The history of this country shows us that state violence IS ALWAYS meted out more harshly on leftists, minorities, and the powerless. You give an inch to make an exception for an especially bad guy, and the fascists will take a mile and try to murder all of their imagined enemies.

The best policy is to just end the practice, so it can’t be abused.

5/17/2022 11:01:13 AM

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ding ding ding

5/17/2022 1:07:44 PM

bbehe
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I mean, I feel like that's simply a slippery slope argument.

Is it more humane to let a terrorist live behind bars for 70 years?

5/17/2022 6:21:08 PM

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It’s def a slippery slope argument. Slippery slopes are the cornerstone of like 90% of the things I argue online.

I’m not super concerned about being humane toward a monster. I’m concerned about the State justifying killing it’s own citizens. Seems like a bad precedent to me.

But, isn’t my argument almost the exact same as the one you are using in TSB to keep the Senate filibuster in place? That once the precedent is set, the opposition is going to be able to wield it to do untold damage. That’s one of the reasons I’m opposed to the death penalty.

5/17/2022 7:04:47 PM

bbehe
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No, I would disagree with that, I don't think me saying the Republicans would use the lack of a filibuster to their advantage is a slippery slope, it's cause and effect.

If you suddenly pass a rule saying 50 votes is all you need in the Senate, both Dems and Republicans will take advantage of it.

If you restrict the death penalty to cases of premeditated mass murder, it doesn't suddenly change it so the State can loosen their laws on who gets the chair.

Also, I'm clearly calling for more restrictions on the death penalty, not less. So I'm not sure how it's a slippery slope.

[Edited on May 17, 2022 at 7:44 PM. Reason : a]

5/17/2022 7:26:45 PM

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"If you restrict the death penalty to cases of premeditated mass murder, it doesn't suddenly change it so the State can loosen their laws on who gets the chair."


What can change, though, is how the law is interpreted (definition of "premeditated", for example). Your wording also leaves it wide open for an innocent person to be wrongfully accused or even framed.

5/17/2022 7:53:24 PM

bbehe
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I'm not a lawyer, I'm shitposting on tww. Clearly the wording can be adjusted.

Premeditated already has an established legal definition though when it comes to murder

5/17/2022 8:04:11 PM

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I'm honestly not convinced that it CAN be meaningfully reworded; it would still be open to interpretation and abuse. Sure, I suppose all things are open that way, to some extent, but the absolute irreversibility of the death penalty makes that interpretation/abuse even more problematic than usual.

Regarding the legal definition of "premeditated"--I think the accepted level of evidence required to demonstrate premeditation is open to change. For an admittedly extreme example: Suppose Trump is reelected and manages to install a regime of hard right wingers. Hillary could be charged with premeditated murder. The evidence: To have a decades long pattern of people connected to the Clintons die under such suspicious circumstances proves both that Hillary must be involved as well as establishing premeditation. Yeah, it's a bullshit argument; but no, it would be far from the first bullshit argument I've heard from these people.

I'm not a lawyer either and I'll freely admit I'm talking out of my ass, but as a layman I have a rather strong belief that the interpretation/abuse element can never be eliminated.

5/17/2022 8:25:16 PM

bbehe
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I mean, if things got like that, why would a regime even worry about laws?

5/17/2022 8:26:28 PM

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^x5 This only works if you don’t include how the most recent filibuster elimination proposals came about. Dems eliminated it for executive appointees so that Obama could actually form a cabinet. Needed, but it set a precedent. MCConnell decided the precedent also applied to Supreme Court nominees. Given the condition of our political system right now, there’s no doubt the filibuster will be eliminated for something else in the future and it’ll be justified by MCConnell’s actions.
It’s been a slippery slope.

[Edited on May 17, 2022 at 8:28 PM. Reason : ^><><^><>^><>^]

5/17/2022 8:26:53 PM

bbehe
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Okay, but that's never been my argument. My argument has always been if the filibuster is eliminated, Republicans will obviously use that for their advantage.

5/17/2022 8:48:56 PM

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^^^I don't think they would worry about laws (at least in private), but I'm not sure that would be completely absolute; also, I was giving an extreme example, like I said.

On the other hand, in my limited experience even a regime that doesn't worry about laws still provides a public presentation/argument for their decisions based on abusive interpretations of the law (I'm sure there are many exceptions, but I'm basing this on what I would typically expect to see in the US). Having a law that unambiguously said that the death penalty is illegal/unConstitutional would make that harder (though not impossible, of course...see for example some of the stories floating around the killing of Michael Reinoehl).

I'm simply not comfortable with having laws that are particularly vulnerable to abuse.

5/17/2022 9:03:38 PM

bbehe
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Right, but again, I am calling for more restrictions on the death penalty, not less. In particular, at the federal level for terrorism/hate crimes.

If everything is a slippery slope, wouldn't the end result of my direction be total elimination of it?

5/17/2022 9:07:46 PM

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you familiar with the dude who was in the White House from 2017-2021???

5/17/2022 9:18:11 PM

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