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After much peer pressure and bullying, I’m proud to present your 2023-24 NC State basketball thread.

Discuss the team, coaches, roster moves, schedule, and more! But please, keep it on topic!

4/17/2023 2:49:00 PM

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Hopefully the team will pressure and bully their opponents, so I love the energy!

[Edited on April 17, 2023 at 2:59 PM. Reason : Not, like, knocking books out of their hand, basketball bullying ]

4/17/2023 2:58:03 PM

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What, no thread for 2025?!

4/17/2023 4:38:50 PM

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Be the change you want to see in the world

4/17/2023 6:39:05 PM

dmspack
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^^why the hell not. The mods clearly are asleep at the wheel. It’s a free for all here.

4/17/2023 8:29:04 PM

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Wooden Legacy Tournament
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"The Wolfpack is one of three teams currently committed to the four-team tournament, which also includes both Arizona State and BYU"


Horne vs his old team

4/17/2023 8:46:02 PM

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we've had a team with multiple CJs before. This team will have multiple DJs.

4/17/2023 9:30:52 PM

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So I think we have 2 scholarships open if you include dusan.

4/18/2023 6:46:33 AM

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1) Burns?
2) My Whore Chick?
3) Morsell?
4) Thomas?
5) Miranda?
6) Ross?
7) Pass?
8) Parker?
9) Parker?
10) Taylor?
11) Horne?
12) (open)
13) (open)

4/18/2023 6:48:51 AM

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Quote :
"we've had a team with multiple CJs before. This team will have multiple DJs.
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We might be adding an MJ (Rice) to the DJ duo as well.

[Edited on April 18, 2023 at 7:27 AM. Reason : Triple post. What r u gonna do, ban me? ]

4/18/2023 7:26:46 AM

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Yea probably

4/18/2023 8:58:04 AM

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What's Funderburk up to these days?

4/18/2023 10:44:51 AM

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Sounds like we should be getting Middlebrooks and Rice commitments soon, and we are still going after another (starter?) PG.

4/18/2023 10:45:53 AM

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Middlebrooks is coming to Raleigh.

4/18/2023 11:01:13 AM

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Rice is a prospect I guess? Doesn't look like he played much at Kansas

4/18/2023 11:10:01 AM

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Got him...

In two years at Clemson, Middlebrooks had his highest scoring game (10 pts) against NCSU. And he scored 8 point in four games (including one against NCSU)

4/18/2023 11:15:27 AM

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Regarding a PG, Jayden Bradley (Alabama) is visiting today. He’ll have 3 years remaining and was a 5* coming out of HS last year. Would be a good get and I think he and Horne would split the minutes.

[Edited on April 18, 2023 at 11:36 AM. Reason : .]

4/18/2023 11:34:14 AM

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I don’t know much about Rice but he was ranked highly out of HS and we recruited him. Then he barely played at KU.

I like the Middlebrooks addition. He’s not a star, but can give us quality minutes especially when Burns is outmatched.

4/18/2023 12:29:01 PM

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Jack Clark to clemson

4/18/2023 12:44:28 PM

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JFC is this the Clemson Basketball thread?

Quote :
"Discuss the team, coaches, roster moves, schedule, and more! But please, keep it on topic!"


Perhaps I was too broad with “and more”.

[Edited on April 18, 2023 at 12:52 PM. Reason : G]

4/18/2023 12:51:28 PM

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Bradley?/Horne/Pass
Taylor/Parker
Morsell/Thomas
Rice/Ross/Miranda/Parker
Burns/MHC/Middlebrooks

Would definitely be a better all around roster than this past season’s, no?

4/18/2023 1:14:08 PM

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Sure except that's 14 players for 13 scholarships

4/18/2023 1:16:14 PM

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Please accept my apology

4/18/2023 1:17:13 PM

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^^^rice is only 6'5" that would be a pretty small starting lineup

4/18/2023 1:19:03 PM

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^^^We don’t need another scholarship if MHC is paying his own way as a walk-on.

We did this with Jack Chambers last season in football…he was a walk-on and also got NIL

4/18/2023 1:30:14 PM

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Maybe no Dusan? ^ or yeah Dusan gets the Chambers treatment if he’s still around.

Better roster is hard to say. I like where things are now. But I feel like we’re doing a lot of projecting/hoping with Miranda and MJ Rice (if he were to come). Those two are very unproven. Even Bradley…the guard from Bama wasn’t very good for Bama last year. I don’t know a ton about him, I’m assuming there were better players ahead of him (duh they were #1). But that roster has a lotta of hoping dudes take big steps forward in it

[Edited on April 18, 2023 at 1:34 PM. Reason : A]

4/18/2023 1:30:23 PM

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^^^Dorn played the 4 for us at the same size

[Edited on April 18, 2023 at 1:42 PM. Reason : .]

4/18/2023 1:32:28 PM

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Quote :
"We did this with Jack Chambers last season in football…"


Rules aren't the same because Chambers wasn't a recruited athlete here. Never took an official visit or received financial aid. He could be a walk-on here no problem.

If they allowed what you are suggesting with Mahorcic, teams could just have ridiculously deep benches full of "walk ons" after getting them on campus as scholarship players. Like Alabama football could just have 100+ guys on scholarship despite having an 85 scholarship limit. I'll believe it when i see it, but I'm pretty sure the people who think these things up have never read the NCAA rulebook. Kinda like the dipshit who writes for packpride who kept saying Mahorcic needed State to play like 3+ postseason games to qualify for a medical hardship when he decidedly did not.

4/18/2023 2:16:46 PM

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A lot of eyeball emojis and hinting at something on Twitter from the inside Pack sports guys and others.

I wish JT3 would tell us what it means

[Edited on April 19, 2023 at 10:56 AM. Reason : I don’t even know if it’s basketball related. I just wanted to bump my own thread]

4/19/2023 10:51:59 AM

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MJ Rice is coming to Raleigh.

4/19/2023 11:03:57 AM

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Heard he will be playing on the basketball team for nc state, too

4/19/2023 11:09:23 AM

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The men’s varsity team?

4/19/2023 11:40:13 AM

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Heck yeah! Rice is a huge pickup and still has has 3 years left. Add another PG and Keatts is cooking with gas.

4/19/2023 11:41:38 AM

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RE: MHC and the NIL/scholarship situation - Others with much more credibility than Cory Smith/Pack Pride have been saying that for a while. I’ve also read around quite a bit on the internets regarding the subject and there 100% are gray areas/loopholes to do this.

4/19/2023 11:47:03 AM

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If there were gray areas then other teams would have already been doing this instead of filling out their rosters with actual walk ons

Also please cite your sources

4/19/2023 11:55:01 AM

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So what's everyone thinking? Because Keatts was pretty ass in the portal until last year.

It seems like last year the incoming transfer class was well regarded, but nothing special and then Burns and Joiner over-performed. Now we are bringing in former 5 stars with ease.

Is it just that the new coaching staff are recruiting their balls off?

Is it NIL $$ and the new transfer rules and us conveniently having a bunch of playing time?

The success of last year's transfer class under Keatts? All of the above? JT3?

4/19/2023 12:35:12 PM

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You didn't include the "former" 5 star part, these could be less recruited players. I can't find who we were 'vs' for Rice but he also barely played last year.

Flip side, apparently he was relatively high on State out of high school, he and Horne both have local ties.


Rankings only as good as who makes them, but have to scroll to 68 to get to Taylor, nobody else in top 100.
https://www.on3.com/transfer-portal/top/basketball/2023/


[Edited on April 19, 2023 at 12:51 PM. Reason : Can't find jarkel on last year's so maybe that list is trash]

4/19/2023 12:45:17 PM

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^On3 has us ranked as the #5 team currently (it has not been updated yet for the Rice commit)

https://www.on3.com/transfer-portal/team-rankings/basketball/2023/

4/19/2023 12:58:51 PM

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Quote :
"Because Keatts was pretty ass in the portal until last year"


I wouldn't say he was pretty ass in the portal. He had some misses (wyatt fuckin walker, danny dixon) but also some very good transfers in (al freeman, devon daniels, cj bryce, morsell were all definitely hits in the portal) I'd say he has had more hits than misses, especially when you include guys who were solid rotation players despite not being stars (hunt, andree lockett, allen)

Also i wouldn't say Burns over-performed. He was a high-major top 100 recruit coming out of high school, transferred to a mid-major and dominated then came here and played very well. Not really that surprising.

4/19/2023 1:03:34 PM

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^^^Our NIL budget for basketball is supposedly in pretty decent shape compared to many schools (excluding SEC schools and a handful of others). Keatts recruited Rice in HS and we were in his final few schools...Joel Justus coached Horne at ASU (he also recruited Jaden Bradley when he was at UK). I think Justus is a big piece of it since he has always been known as being a great recruiter.

[Edited on April 19, 2023 at 1:10 PM. Reason : ^^^]

4/19/2023 1:09:54 PM

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I think I saw OSU and Pitt mentioned with MJ Rice, fwiw.

And yeah. Bryce, Daniels, Al Freeman, DJ Funderburk, Sam Hunt were all pretty good portal additions. There were some misses too. But I wouldn’t say he was total ass in the portal. But definitely had missed like Danny Dixon or Wyatt Walker.

Also I don’t know about “landing former 5* with ease”. He’s from NC and we recruited him hard out of HS. So the connections were there.

[Edited on April 19, 2023 at 1:30 PM. Reason : H]

[Edited on April 19, 2023 at 1:36 PM. Reason : I see everybody already said all the same stuff I said ]

4/19/2023 1:26:57 PM

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Yeah, saying he was "ass" in the portal until last year is not accurate.

4/19/2023 1:31:24 PM

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So. Is MJ Rice gonna be playing the wing? Or small ball 4? I’ve seen him described as a guard but also that he could play the Torin Dorn role which is basically a 4.

4/19/2023 1:39:21 PM

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I'll say imo Keatts has had some misses (walker, Dixon) but also many good hits (freeman, dd, etc) in the portal.

[Edited on April 19, 2023 at 1:43 PM. Reason : Damn the edit beat me, should have refreshed ]

4/19/2023 1:43:08 PM

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Now the #3 portal class with the Rice commit:

https://www.on3.com/transfer-portal/team-rankings/basketball/2023/

[Edited on April 19, 2023 at 2:30 PM. Reason : Didn't see that this is based relative to the teams' transfers in/out, not overall rankings]

4/19/2023 2:28:00 PM

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Yea it would be weird if they only put one of our transfers in the top 100 but thinks we have the 3rd best class.

I think they are just congratulating us for the Ebe transfer

4/19/2023 2:45:44 PM

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I mean, i guess if you count guys who put up relatively decent stats on bad (or at best mediocre) teams that missed the tournament, then he hasn't been ass. But if you are looking at additions who actually translated to wins, then it seems pretty hard to argue that his transfer recruiting has been good before last year.

4/19/2023 2:54:14 PM

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A bad team can have some good players.

I think KK has taken chances on guys, both portal and HS, that clearly didn’t pan out. And we can criticize some of his (or his staff’s) evaluations. But I think it’s far more fair to say his portal results have been a mixed bag than to say he’s been total ass.

If the issue is his wins/losses then that’s a separate discussion than strictly answering the question “has he had success bringing in quality players from the portal”

4/19/2023 3:06:33 PM

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Yea you have to also consider that his high school recruiting and general coaching could be what is ass!

4/19/2023 3:41:44 PM

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Keatts has been ass all around. Agreed.

4/19/2023 4:05:28 PM

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