Str8BacardiL ************ 41752 Posts user info edit post |
7/12/2008 4:41:33 PM |
pilgrimshoes Suspended 63151 Posts user info edit post |
hahaha
7/12/2008 4:43:33 PM |
djeternal Bee Hugger 62661 Posts user info edit post |
7/12/2008 4:45:09 PM |
arog20012001 All American 10023 Posts user info edit post |
you might spill your beer? 7/12/2008 4:49:33 PM |
Str8BacardiL ************ 41752 Posts user info edit post |
Or kill a 17 year old girl that is driving down Glenwood minding her own business. http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/3195616/ 7/12/2008 4:50:46 PM |
Str8BacardiL ************ 41752 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Raleigh, N.C. — A teenager has been charged with felony death by motor vehicle and provisional DWI in a wreck on Glenwood Avenue that killed another teenager early Saturday.
Lillian Broox Manis, 17, of Chapel Hill, died in the two-vehicle wreck that occurred shortly before 5 a.m. at Glenwood and Lynn Drive, police said.
Justin Caleb Crouse, 19, of 4612 Limerick Drive in Raleigh, faces charges of provisional driving-while-impaired, felony death by vehicle and a red-light violation.
Manis was riding in a 1991 Honda passenger car driven by Philip Iavorov Jurov, 17, of Durham, going north on Glenwood towards Pinecrest Drive. Jurov had a green light at the Lynn Road intersection, according to the wreck report.
Crouse was driving a 2008 Ford passenger car south on Lynn Road and preparing to make a left turn onto Glenwood. He lost control of the car, and it ran off the right side of the road, deflating its right-side tires.
The Ford traveled 147 feet and entered Glenwood, striking the passenger side of the Honda head-on at 50 mph, according to the wreck report.
The Honda ran off the left side of the road and overturned, coming to rest against an embankment approximately 25 feet from the road. The Ford came to a stop about 131 feet off the left side of Glenwood.
Jurov and Manis were trapped inside the Honda. Both were transported to WakeMed.
Manis was pronounced dead at the hospital, and Jurov sustained serious injuries.
Crouse was also taken to WakeMed to be treated for non-life-threatening injuries.
The wreck caused $12,000 worth of damage to the Ford and $15,000, to the Honda.
The wreck reports says that police suspect Crouse was impaired by alcohol. Tests results were pending late Saturday morning.
Manis would have turned 18 in a little over a month.
" |
7/12/2008 4:51:43 PM |
arog20012001 All American 10023 Posts user info edit post |
for the record, I do not condone drunk or buzzed driving. 7/12/2008 4:52:44 PM |
fatcatt316 All American 3804 Posts user info edit post |
Why don't all cars have those little BAC testers that you have to blow into in order to start the car?
Sure a bunch of people would just get someone sober to blow it, but I bet it'd stop a lot of drunk driving still. 7/12/2008 4:52:57 PM |
Aficionado Suspended 22518 Posts user info edit post |
thats shitty 7/12/2008 4:53:12 PM |
pilgrimshoes Suspended 63151 Posts user info edit post |
with a mugshot like that you'd expect a bac of like .42398503947 7/12/2008 4:53:21 PM |
joe17669 All American 22728 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Why don't all cars have those little BAC testers that you have to blow into in order to start the car?" |
i wouldn't have a problem with that7/12/2008 4:54:07 PM |
Str8BacardiL ************ 41752 Posts user info edit post |
His tests have not come back yet. I have a feeling he was pretty blitzed.
Either that or could not drive worth a fuck sober. 7/12/2008 4:54:12 PM |
pilgrimshoes Suspended 63151 Posts user info edit post |
prolly passed out behind the wheel 7/12/2008 4:54:58 PM |
Str8BacardiL ************ 41752 Posts user info edit post |
Yeah I mean if he was blacked out I sort of feel bad for him.
I think all cars should have the touch BAC testers embedded under the steering wheel. So many lives would be saved. 7/12/2008 4:56:45 PM |
djeternal Bee Hugger 62661 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Why don't all cars have those little BAC testers that you have to blow into in order to start the car?" |
It's a great idea in concept, but they are very expensive. In an automotive market where you try to put out the best product at the lowest cost, it just doesn't make sense to the bottom line.7/12/2008 4:58:09 PM |
Str8BacardiL ************ 41752 Posts user info edit post |
Airbags are expensive as fuck too but somehow they have become standard. 7/12/2008 4:59:12 PM |
djeternal Bee Hugger 62661 Posts user info edit post |
well you can't always control when you get in an accident.
you CAN control if you choose to drink and drive or not
airbags make cars safer, BAC Ignition Systems keep stupid people from making stupid decisions.
BIG difference
[Edited on July 12, 2008 at 5:01 PM. Reason : s] 7/12/2008 5:00:03 PM |
Aficionado Suspended 22518 Posts user info edit post |
^^ not any more
the unit price on airbags has fallen more than 10 fold since their inception
[Edited on July 12, 2008 at 5:00 PM. Reason :
7/12/2008 5:00:25 PM |
pilgrimshoes Suspended 63151 Posts user info edit post |
invasion of freedom! 7/12/2008 5:00:42 PM |
Str8BacardiL ************ 41752 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "you CAN control if you choose to drink and drive or not" |
hahah that is the fallacy in your argument.
You are drunk and therefore not making the best decisions. I am not making excuses for habitual drunk drivers, all I am saying is that history has shown us that we cannot expect human beings not to drive drunk.
Even our President has been arrested for DWI, he can authorize the use of nuclear bombs, and also made this same mistake. Since we have this technology we should use it to our advantage.]7/12/2008 5:03:10 PM |
pilgrimshoes Suspended 63151 Posts user info edit post |
ok commie 7/12/2008 5:04:34 PM |
djeternal Bee Hugger 62661 Posts user info edit post |
why should the millions of safe, non-drunk driving Americans be forced to pay an extra $2k for their vehicles because of the idiots that don't know when to say when? 7/12/2008 5:05:22 PM |
Str8BacardiL ************ 41752 Posts user info edit post |
If it was implemented widespread it would not cost 2k per vehicle.
In response to your question though
1) To save the lives of innoncent victims 2) To keep irresponsible & inexperienced teenagers from driving/riding drunk 3) Lower insurance costs 4) Lower costs to the courts 5) Lower costs of imprisoning habitual offenders 6) Lower costs to the jails for processing offenders 7) Lower the odds that someone you know or a family member will get killed by a drunk driver or while driving drunk
I could go on for an hour. If you think what we are doing currently is an effective solution to the problem of drunk driving you are out of your mind.] 7/12/2008 5:23:52 PM |
djeternal Bee Hugger 62661 Posts user info edit post |
well then I guess we should ban guns too, since there are some idiots that choose to shoot people 7/12/2008 5:29:52 PM |
Str8BacardiL ************ 41752 Posts user info edit post |
Not everyone owns a gun, the ones that do don't take them to the bar.
Cars on the other hand....
Sorry guns =/= cars. 7/12/2008 5:31:25 PM |
djeternal Bee Hugger 62661 Posts user info edit post |
While we are at it, we should make all cars so they can't go faster than 55 MPH, since most motor vehicle deaths happen at speeds higher than 55MPH. FUCK THOSE PESKY SPEEDERS 7/12/2008 5:31:25 PM |
Aficionado Suspended 22518 Posts user info edit post |
we should all live in bubble-wrapped rooms and not be allowed to go outside because we may hurt ourselves 7/12/2008 5:31:28 PM |
jataylor All American 6652 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "1991 Honda passenger car " |
Quote : | "$15,000,(damage) to the Honda." |
7/12/2008 5:31:57 PM |
djeternal Bee Hugger 62661 Posts user info edit post |
we definitely need to take radios out of cars too, because their distracting ways also cause a lot of accidents 7/12/2008 5:32:16 PM |
Kurtis636 All American 14984 Posts user info edit post |
Guns are Constitutionally protected, BAC sensor cars are not.
I'd be in favor of car companies putting them in as an option, but I wouldn't want to see it forced on the public by government mandate. 7/12/2008 5:33:06 PM |
afripino All American 11397 Posts user info edit post |
$15,000 worth of damage to a 1991 Honda? perhaps I need to consider buying one. Although, I may die if I get in an accident with it. 7/12/2008 5:33:32 PM |
ScHpEnXeL Suspended 32613 Posts user info edit post |
just bc it's old doesn't mean it's super cheap to fix.. although that's a hell of a lot of damage regardless
obviously it's well beyond totaled 7/12/2008 5:34:19 PM |
pilgrimshoes Suspended 63151 Posts user info edit post |
7/12/2008 5:34:38 PM |
djeternal Bee Hugger 62661 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "I'd be in favor of car companies putting them in as an option" |
the only problem with that is, who in the hell would choose that option? you would basically be admitting "yeah, i drive drunk sometimes so this will help me not be an idiot"
[Edited on July 12, 2008 at 5:35 PM. Reason : f]7/12/2008 5:35:25 PM |
Kurtis636 All American 14984 Posts user info edit post |
I bet you'd start to see them proliferating on family cars with teens in the household. I also think the fact that you'd probably get a substantial insurance break would also make them appealing. 7/12/2008 5:36:41 PM |
afripino All American 11397 Posts user info edit post |
wait...is that a white guy with cornrows? 7/12/2008 5:37:10 PM |
djeternal Bee Hugger 62661 Posts user info edit post |
^^ good point 7/12/2008 5:37:42 PM |
ScHpEnXeL Suspended 32613 Posts user info edit post |
^^^yeah that'd be a good idea.. insurance + some weird ass tax break maybe?. it'd be cool to have for teenage drivers to help with their insurance
[Edited on July 12, 2008 at 5:38 PM. Reason : ^^^] 7/12/2008 5:38:10 PM |
pilgrimshoes Suspended 63151 Posts user info edit post |
ahh yes, i'll take the alloy wheels, the weatherization package, and the i frequently drink and drive package. 7/12/2008 5:39:26 PM |
djeternal Bee Hugger 62661 Posts user info edit post |
I just think that mandating every citizen to have them in their cars is not the answer, especially when the majority of American citizens do not drive drunk. The answer lies in WAY more strict penalties for DUI, even on the first offense. And if we still need the "babysitter" mentality, why not mandate that all bars have to take the keys of their patrons, and can only give them back after they pass a BAC test? 7/12/2008 5:40:17 PM |
Kurtis636 All American 14984 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "I just think that mandating every citizen to have them in their cars is not the answer, especially when the majority of American citizens do not drive drunk. The answer lies in WAY more strict penalties for DUI, even on the first offense." |
If you're going to have DUI laws at all then yes, that's the way to go. Personally I'd rather just hammer the shit out of people for causing traffic wrecks drunk or not. The vast majority of the time it's not an "accident" it's incompetence or negligence.7/12/2008 5:46:43 PM |
djeternal Bee Hugger 62661 Posts user info edit post |
bottom line is, there is no excuse for a person with 2 or 3 DUIs still having a license. 7/12/2008 5:48:03 PM |
Airbag Suspended 12921 Posts user info edit post |
I do what I want 7/12/2008 5:49:07 PM |
Kurtis636 All American 14984 Posts user info edit post |
There's not excuse for them not being in jail, other than the whole mandatory minimum sentencing for nonviolent drug "offenders." 7/12/2008 5:49:34 PM |
Slave Famous Become Wrath 34079 Posts user info edit post |
I'm going to a party tonight and I can gaurantee I'll be driving drunk on the way there and on the way back
Don't grab my keys when the party's over
I drive better drunk than you do sober
[Edited on July 12, 2008 at 5:50 PM. Reason : x] 7/12/2008 5:50:33 PM |
ScHpEnXeL Suspended 32613 Posts user info edit post |
i'm the best drunk driver ever
I CHALLENGE YOU TO A DUEL 7/12/2008 5:51:21 PM |
Kurtis636 All American 14984 Posts user info edit post |
I'll probably be driving above the legal limit tonight, but that's not really a very good indicator of whether or not I'm drunk. 7/12/2008 5:52:12 PM |
Airbag Suspended 12921 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "i'm the best drunk driver ever
I CHALLENGE YOU TO A DUEL" |
7/12/2008 5:52:47 PM |
Slave Famous Become Wrath 34079 Posts user info edit post |
x
[Edited on July 12, 2008 at 5:54 PM. Reason : x] 7/12/2008 5:53:55 PM |
Slave Famous Become Wrath 34079 Posts user info edit post |
set em up 7/12/2008 5:54:30 PM |