Quote :

" Just because you're a male, it doesnt mean you'll be eyeing down all the ladies undressing in the locker room."

wait wait wait.. hang on a sec.

Yes it does.

5/12/2011 12:44:27 PM

well except for the gay males

5/12/2011 1:04:54 PM

People arguing against having gay people in the locker room are fucking retarded. There is 100% chance you have had a gay dude in the same locker room. Are you still walking funny? I am assuming because it is such a big debate one of you have been hit on or raped while in the gym, right? No dude wants to fuck you no matter how bad you want them to.

5/12/2011 1:13:51 PM

I mean really ... its hard not to look even when they are all tribal and shit on national geographic ...

Of course you would look in the locker room

5/12/2011 1:13:58 PM

Quote :

"There is 100% chance you have had a gay dude in the same locker room. Are you still walking funny?"

You are essentially saying that if you arent aware of a potential issue, then there isnt a issue. Horrible logic.



[Edited on May 12, 2011 at 1:25 PM. Reason : /]

5/12/2011 1:23:48 PM

What I am saying is you're making an issue out of something that isn't. I know. It's very complicated.

[Edited on May 12, 2011 at 1:28 PM. Reason : ;]

5/12/2011 1:27:18 PM

I didnt say it was an issue. I did say that someone stating that they'd prefer not to have gays in the locker room as a position statement is not discriminatory based on already accepted standards.

The 'issue' is painting Leslie as someone who discriminates against gays. Based on the locker room statement, you'd be a moron to jump to that conclusion, or someone who cant see beyond their own bias.

[Edited on May 12, 2011 at 1:34 PM. Reason : .]

5/12/2011 1:30:58 PM

No, the issue is that CJ said something dumb to millions of people. That's all.

5/12/2011 1:36:58 PM

Here is what I am saying in short. I don't give a fuck if you care or not. You don't say it. Not on twitter, not to journalist, not to people you don't absolutely trust. Not when you're an athlete with attention being put on you.

5/12/2011 1:42:11 PM

Quote :

"MILLIONS OF PEOPLE"

5/12/2011 1:44:18 PM

Sure wish this place had a fucking moderator or two.

5/12/2011 1:52:59 PM

Wowzers: I moderated. Let the complaints file in!

[Edited on May 12, 2011 at 2:08 PM. Reason : .]

5/12/2011 1:55:28 PM

I don't think anyone is arguing the fact that CJL made a poor decision by posting his views on a very polarizing subject on twitter. That goes without saying.

Quote :

"People arguing against having gay people in the locker room are fucking retarded. There is 100% chance you have had a gay dude in the same locker room. Are you still walking funny?"

By that logic, women should be OK with guys in the locker room as long as the guys don't make any physical contact. And similarly...

Quote :

"No dude wants to fuck you no matter how bad you want them to."

So ugly girls shouldn't have a problem with guys in the locker room, right?

[Edited on May 12, 2011 at 2:23 PM. Reason : .]

5/12/2011 2:07:07 PM

Engaging in the very behavior you were appointed to prevent sums up your tenure quite nicely.

[Edited on May 12, 2011 at 2:11 PM. Reason : Question of the day: Has Carzin officially out-gunzzed gunzz?]

5/12/2011 2:08:49 PM

Carzin only deleted those posts out of shame of his juvenile attempts at mocking me

5/12/2011 2:12:24 PM

I decided to get the thread back on track.

5/12/2011 2:13:12 PM

I don't know. Personally, I found "Stop losing at life" to be quite caustic.

5/12/2011 2:13:29 PM

hahahahaha

5/12/2011 2:16:51 PM

Carzin's all like

5/12/2011 2:57:25 PM

One of my favorite all time SNL skits.

5/12/2011 3:06:27 PM

^^LOL

5/12/2011 4:16:11 PM

Barkley on gay discrimination:

http://aol.sportingnews.com/nba/story/2011-05-17/charles-barkley-says-hes-played-with-gay-teammates-didnt-care


[quote]“Society discriminates against gay people,” he added. “They always try to make it like jocks discriminate against gay people. I’ve been a big proponent of gay marriage for a long time, because as a black person, I can’t be in for any form of discrimination at all.”

This is what I think every time someone that is black discriminates against gay men. I'm glad that Barkley is opening up about it since the Sheridan story came out on ESPN.

[Edited on May 17, 2011 at 8:00 PM. Reason : stuff]

5/17/2011 7:59:35 PM

lol at jennie strickland in relentless agreement with everyone in the comments

5/17/2011 8:41:32 PM

^i agree with you, acdiaz

5/17/2011 8:43:55 PM

I don't agree that feeling uncomfortable in a locker room with a homosexual is discriminatory. I have been a huge proponent of gay rights since my cousin (basically a brother) came out to me, but this is an issue I don't agree on.

If you agree that there are reasons to separate genders in locker rooms because of privacy then you should understand why anyone could be uncomfortable. We separate genders for privacy, so that everyone is safe from being viewed in a sexual manner. This is not dependent on any actions, its simply sight that is the standard to base privacy on. Many will respond to this issue by saying something like, "but it's not like they/i would hit on you" but that is not the same standard when it comes to gender so why is it so outrageous in this situation? And of course we all have probably been in a locker room with someone gay and didn't know it. But if I was in a locker room with someone of the opposite gender and didn't know it, I would feel comfortable and would feel like my privacy was intact. The problem comes when that invisible blanket is removed.

The problem is obviously more complex than simple gender lines, and there is probably not a good solution, and the solution may be to tell people to suck it up, but being uncomfortable with it does not make anyone homophobic or discriminatory.

[Edited on May 17, 2011 at 9:43 PM. Reason : .]

5/17/2011 9:40:22 PM

I am not trying to drag this on anymore, but as a guy I know that there are lots of men out there that will grope a women in plain daylight if they feel like it, yet I have never heard of this being a problem with gay men groping guys. The difference being that women for the most part are weaker and defenseless.

Gay men, however, could get their ass beat by flirting with straight guys on the locker room, and it clearly makes sense to me why this is not a locker room issue.


I am 100% positive that gender neutral showers would run into groping problems from guys a lot faster that some users are willing to admit.



[Edited on May 17, 2011 at 10:11 PM. Reason : sd]

5/17/2011 10:04:30 PM

Anyone think Barea would feel a little bit uncomfortable surrounded in the shower by a couple Amaechis? Think he would pick up the soap?

Just asking...

5/17/2011 10:33:47 PM

well if they are literally surrounding him, and these are two confirmed gay Amaechi's, then i would imagine most males would be uncomfortable

[Edited on May 17, 2011 at 10:35 PM. Reason : word]

5/17/2011 10:35:27 PM

I was speaking in terms of numbers, not saying that gay men are small.

Have you never heard of a bear before?

5/17/2011 10:37:49 PM

i disagree with your contention that we only separate genders because of the threat of sexual assault.

by that metric, if we provided security and cameras then everyone should feel comfortable with mixed gender locker rooms. but... most people would still not be comfortable, and its because of the things i mentioned above.

5/17/2011 10:42:04 PM

How would the gay version of Wilt or Magic be accepted in the locker room? You know no one wanted to get in the locker room hot tub after the Lakers were in town. Magic had it full of bitches the night before.

Should they at least have seperate hot tubs for gay and straight players?

5/17/2011 10:44:51 PM

The gay version of Magic is Magic

5/17/2011 10:56:32 PM

I think gay people in lockers rooms should have to be circumcised.

No one wants to see that wierd ass crooked fucking cock.

5/17/2011 10:57:25 PM

^cock looker.

5/17/2011 11:18:06 PM

the prison system should quell any fears that guys will attack and rape/grope other guys

5/18/2011 10:55:07 AM

Quote :

"I don't agree that feeling uncomfortable in a locker room with a homosexual is discriminatory. I have been a huge proponent of gay rights since my cousin (basically a brother) came out to me, but this is an issue I don't agree on. If you agree that there are reasons to separate genders in locker rooms because of privacy then you should understand why anyone could be uncomfortable. We separate genders for privacy, so that everyone is safe from being viewed in a sexual manner. This is not dependent on any actions, its simply sight that is the standard to base privacy on. Many will respond to this issue by saying something like, "but it's not like they/i would hit on you" but that is not the same standard when it comes to gender so why is it so outrageous in this situation? And of course we all have probably been in a locker room with someone gay and didn't know it. But if I was in a locker room with someone of the opposite gender and didn't know it, I would feel comfortable and would feel like my privacy was intact. The problem comes when that invisible blanket is removed. The problem is obviously more complex than simple gender lines, and there is probably not a good solution, and the solution may be to tell people to suck it up, but being uncomfortable with it does not make anyone homophobic or discriminatory. "

Hit the nail on the head. I have been trying to say this (less eloquently) for a while.

5/18/2011 11:36:33 AM

NO

people just ned to learn how to accept and deal with gay culture

segregating them only exacerbates our differences.

5/18/2011 11:42:36 AM

Gays can just choose to not be gay in the locker room.

5/18/2011 12:24:34 PM

I was looking at Leslie's scout profile and they list perimeter shooting as one of his strengths. HA.

http://scouthoops.scout.com/a.z?s=75&p=8&c=1&nid=2896429

[Edited on May 19, 2011 at 7:34 AM. Reason : ]

5/19/2011 7:33:49 AM

^ thanks for getting this thread back on topic. I keep hoping there's actually a post about CJL instead of SB stuff

5/19/2011 1:55:11 PM

CJ Calvin Leslie

11/4/2011 8:51:57 AM

Predictions on his stats this year? I'll say 14 pts, 8 rbs.

(on to the next page)

11/4/2011 3:36:10 PM

11/4/2011 3:46:55 PM

^ i think that's a good ballpark.

I'll go with:

30 mpg, 14.9 ppg, 8.7 reb, 1.1 ast, 1.7 blk, 0.9 stl, 1.9 TO, 46% FG, 61.5% FT, 30% 3P.

Good enough for 3rd team ALL-ACC (with potential for 2nd if we do well).

Also one studious poem and one unprovoked comment against gaydos.

11/4/2011 3:48:38 PM

actually, last year he averaged 11 pts, 7.2 rbs in 24 mins.

11/4/2011 4:01:30 PM

I'll go with 18 pts, 8 reb, 3 ast, 0.8 blocks a game

2nd team all-ACC and a projected mid to late 1st round NBA pick.

11/4/2011 4:08:33 PM

^ way too low on the blocks. Can't see anyway he doesn't average at least 1 blk a game and I'm betting at least 1.5

Three assists a game seems pretty unlikely, last year he was always looking to score and didn't seem to be a great passer.

Scoring is always tough to predict because it's really a function of how many shots you take. I think his usage rate will stay about the same but that'll he be quite a bit more efficient. He missed a lot of bunnies last year because he didn't have enough leg strength to maintain his balance. I'd imagine he'll be a lot stronger this year and have the athleticism to finish those. His jumper was off for most of the season, so I'd imagine he'll shoot better from the line and perimeter this season too. He could average 18-20 if everything falls into place for him but i think 15-17 is more likely.

11/4/2011 9:29:03 PM

i agree with both CJ and tim hardaways original statements

are people to be denigrated b/c they have a genetic response to homosexuals?

i guess cj is supposed to pretend he likes to eat dog shit and fuck fat girls too when asked.



[Edited on November 4, 2011 at 10:33 PM. Reason : ,]

11/4/2011 10:31:48 PM

GOOD CALL ON GETTING THE CJ GAY DISCUSSION GOING AGAIN

IT WAS SO MUCH FUN TO READ THE FIRST TIME

11/4/2011 10:52:56 PM

"genetic response" to homosexuals

11/5/2011 10:02:36 AM