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"Obviously you don’t want to do that because if your side is honest about what you want, you can no longer demonize your opposition and claim your position is the moral one. In my opinion, that is what the march is all about. “Virtue signaling”. How many of you that attended the march did it without taking a picture of yourself to share with others for validation?"

I did.

1/25/2017 11:19:43 AM

he is just virtue signalling

1/25/2017 11:19:56 AM

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" If you fall down the slippery slope with abortion, all you have to do is buy birth control or not be a slut"

i am pretty much pro life but damn this is a stupid quote. newsflash birth control can fail, i have a friend with a beautiful baby girl thanks to a failed nuvaring, also rape happens. you can be pro life all you want how about just not be a condescending asshole about it you're making the rest of us look bad

1/25/2017 11:25:42 AM

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"Over 50% of discretionary spending of my taxes goes to fund the military, I'm forced to pay money into a bloated, mismanaged armed force that deploys in areas I don't agree we should be in. "

The difference is:

Roads and military are necessary for our country to exist, we can argue on spending/allocation

My neighbor's promiscuity is not, if it is your body and your business, stop trying to fund it with my wallet.

1/25/2017 11:38:45 AM

^^If you want to see him make republicans or conservatives look bad, you should see him in the soap box. He's the reason we're a stereotype.

[Edited on January 25, 2017 at 11:39 AM. Reason : ^]

1/25/2017 11:39:25 AM

you guys are letting him troll you on abortion now?

come on, that's like easy mode for trolling

1/25/2017 11:47:22 AM

they just can't get enough

1/25/2017 11:51:51 AM

Women's reproductive health is necessary for humanity to exist, but it's clear that's not even worth bringing up to you.

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" My neighbor's promiscuity is not, if it is your body and your business, stop trying to fund it with my wallet."

You seem to ignore the fact that abortions are a bare fraction of the services provided by Planned Parenthood, and that no federal tax dollars are spent on abortions. (source: http://www.factcheck.org/2011/04/planned-parenthood ) However this does not fit in your narrative, so you will disregard it in order to continue your virtue signaling.

You also seem to have a real problem with the idea of women having/enjoying sex.

1/25/2017 11:56:20 AM

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"Roads and military are necessary for our country to exist, we can argue on spending/allocation"

Actually they aren't... want proof? Ask all the people living here before either of those were around.

1/25/2017 12:08:15 PM

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"Women's reproductive health is necessary for humanity to exist "

Women's reproductive health is necessary, paying for it through socialism is not. Please god, leftists, learn to frame the issue correctly.

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"You seem to ignore the fact that abortions are a bare fraction of the services provided by Planned Parenthood, and that no federal tax dollars are spent on abortions."

Google fungibility

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" You also seem to have a real problem with the idea of women having/enjoying sex."

You seem to have a real problem with personal responsibility. Like, a huge problem with it. In fact all of you leftists seem to despise the concept of it. Sad!

1/25/2017 12:10:08 PM

^ it wasn't really our country then, was it.

1/25/2017 12:11:22 PM

1/25/2017 12:11:37 PM

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"^ it wasn't really our country then, was it."

Follow that logic further.

1/25/2017 12:41:23 PM

Trump said taxpayers will pay for the wall "initially."

Good thing the founding fathers put in the clause about a giant concrete wall on our southern border to be paid for with income taxes in the Bill of Rights.

1/25/2017 12:53:45 PM

Yea, it's right next to the part about having a welfare state with open borders.

BTW:

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"To admit foreigners indiscriminately to the rights of citizens the moment they put foot into our country would be nothing less than to admit the Grecian horse into the citadel of our liberty and sovereignty -Alexander Hamilton "

1/25/2017 1:11:33 PM

So if I dont want my tax dollars to build a wall until 540 is completed and not a toll road who do I call? Richard Burr?? The first phase of 540 is an interstate that got federal funds, the second is a fucking toll road..which kind of made sense during the recession. If the federal govt has money to build a wall they might want to finish some roads that were already started?

Republicans are not about wasting tax money until its something they want to waste it on like a foreign invasion based on "faulty intel" or a border wall that provides no benefit to american workers.

1/25/2017 1:25:08 PM

1/25/2017 1:53:10 PM

Eh, maybe. At least those taxes are somewhat directed towards the defense of America, more or less. Rather than a forced redistribution of wealth that incentivizes irresponsible sluttery.

1/25/2017 1:53:17 PM

1/25/2017 1:55:53 PM

1/25/2017 1:56:03 PM

1/25/2017 2:00:56 PM

1/25/2017 2:02:13 PM

[Edited on January 25, 2017 at 2:15 PM. Reason : ]

1/25/2017 2:14:24 PM

Me, Smith & Wesson provide all the protection I need. Fuck the police and military, they ain't gettin none of my tax dollars.

Security and protection are necessary, paying for it with socialism is not. Stop being a pussy and protect your goddamn self, snowflake.

1/25/2017 3:17:53 PM

So you guys agree with me about the women's march then?

1/25/2017 3:20:44 PM

Not sure, haven't read your posts

1/25/2017 3:38:49 PM

Normally the more spam following up my argument, the better of an argument it was and the more triggered you people get. I guess this was one of my finest performances.

Womens march = misguided, virtue-signaling anti-trump protest, organized by Marxists seeking to use government force to redistribute wealth to fund their poor life choices, all hidden under the guise of vague, feel-good slogans that dishonestly portray their immoral positions as moral, to trick well-intentioned, but gullible people into believing them and their false narratives of oppression.

Or at least, that's what ya'll have told me ITT

1/25/2017 4:38:00 PM

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"Normally the more spam following up my argument, the better of an argument it was and the more triggered you people get. I guess this was one of my finest performances."

Sure, you keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better, cupcake.

1/25/2017 4:51:50 PM

It appears that a lot of his affinity for trump is because he's a delusional narcissist too

1/25/2017 5:00:36 PM

^^^you never really addressed my slippery slope argument. I feel if you had been at the march, or even talk to an intelligent woman on a regular basis, I think you'd find im right and you just misrepresented the march because of your narrative.

[Edited on January 25, 2017 at 5:09 PM. Reason : God damn trump .gif in the OP slowing my posts down]

1/25/2017 5:05:56 PM

He'd have to talk to a woman first...and based off of the last page ranting against women's sexuality I'd bet that generally either doesn't happen or doesn't end well.

1/25/2017 5:15:51 PM

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"you never really addressed my slippery slope argument. I feel if you had been at the march, or even talk to an intelligent woman on a regular basis"

The thing about intelligent women is that they weren't at the march.

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"and you just misrepresented the march because of your narrative."

Oddly enough, the "Women's march" was the epitome of misrepresentation. As I explained ITT, the overwhelming majority of "positions" in this march (referencing Klatypus's list) was entirely Marxist Collectivist Identity Politics Victimhood bullshit, the same brand of bullshit spewed by the Mizzou race hoax protestors and George Soros' BLM. It's all a mischaracterization of reality viewed through the lens of Marxism to suggest that Western civilization, capitalism, republicans, white men, are evil, and EVERYTHING is a form of oppression and victimhood, and the only way to solve it is through government redistribution of wealth/regulation.

This was demonstrated pretty well with the Klatypus discussion, as she attempted to disguise her wealth-redistribution demands under the guise of feel good phrases like "Everyone Deserves ____". Just like this march disguises the Leftist agenda under the vague guise of "woman's march".

Regarding your abortion slippery slope argument, the supreme court already ruled on it so I don't see what your concern is. Though I'm happy to discuss with anyone not spamming shit

1/25/2017 5:37:00 PM

So I take it JCE doesn't actually have health insurance and pays for all of his bills on his own then?

1/25/2017 5:45:37 PM

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"Personally, I think a hardworking person should be able to be seen by a physician so they at least know what their health status is. I understand this is where many people will disagree with me."

Agreed; I think that people should largely pay for their own stuff, but we need to take steps to address the cost of medical care, not just the cost of insurance. A couple of big things are ceasing to incentivize employer-based healthcare, and to expand HSAs to more heavily incentivize paying out of pocket instead of using expensive insurance policies to pay for everything.

1/25/2017 7:04:42 PM

simply allowing insurance sales across state lines would be a huge step in the right direction

1/25/2017 7:54:25 PM

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"Regarding your abortion slippery slope argument, the supreme court already ruled on it so I don't see what your concern is."

Yes, the supreme court ruled on it, and they ruled on it, and ruled on it, and ruled on it. They slapped down what, like 3 instances of bogus abortion restrictions last year? The year before that was several more, etc etc etc.

Women realize that the relentless hate Republicans have for Women's healthcare didn't suddenly end, in fact, forced birthers have only been emboldened with their boy Pence and "Women should be punished for abortion" Trump in the whitehouse and that shit-stain Sessions running the justice department. The cherry on top is gonna be whatever troglodyte Trump appoints to the Supreme Court. Add all of these up and the possibility of the christo-fascists making gains in this area are very real.

It gets worse because there are very real agitations coming out of this community about contraception too. FUCKING CONTRACEPTION. THINK ABOUT THAT FOR A GOD DAMN FUCKING MINUTE. IS THERE ANY DOUBT THEIR END GOAL IS MAKING WOMEN BAREFOOT AND PREGNANT?

But women aren't gonna go back to the clothes hanger days, the march was girding themselves for the coming fight, both in regards to healthcare and other issues. It was a preparation and a rally for what is coming. So its pretty god damn insulting for you to keep setting up the strawman of "dis' here jus' about me payin' for dem', durrrrrrr," as if we are all too stupid to know what the anti-woman goals of the Trump administration are.

1/25/2017 8:23:56 PM

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""To admit foreigners indiscriminately to the rights of citizens the moment they put foot into our country would be nothing less than to admit the Grecian horse into the citadel of our liberty and sovereignty -Alexander Hamilton "

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"Black people are property -Alexander Hamilton "

1/25/2017 8:28:13 PM

yeah the first step into states stripping all the regulations the insurance companies hate in order to attract their business leading to a consolidation into fewer insurance companies operating in a handful of states who offer subpar plans with lifetime caps and high deductibles

1/25/2017 8:33:36 PM

1/25/2017 9:09:37 PM

^^yeah, that's what the big insurance companies (the ones big enough to have a business in every state) say will happen. what that law really does is keep prices up and reduce the options available to consumers.

if i think the insurance company in another state has the best plan for me, why shouldn't i be allowed to buy it? my body, my choice, right?

[Edited on January 25, 2017 at 9:28 PM. Reason : adsf]

1/25/2017 9:20:14 PM

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"Women realize that the relentless hate Republicans have for Women's healthcare didn't suddenly end, in fact, forced birthers "

I don't think you are capable of discussing the subject honestly if you deliberately mischaracterize your opponent's position in such a hysterical fashion.

A large portion of the country thinks differently than you do regarding when life forms and when life should be protected. If you are going to deliberately be intellectually dishonest and reduce that to "they hate women" (even though half of them ARE women) you aren't going to be effective at persuading others.

1/25/2017 10:09:40 PM

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"I don't think you are capable of discussing the subject honestly if you deliberately mischaracterize your opponent's position in such a hysterical fashion."

Oh, that's just fucking rich coming from someone who, a mere five hours ago, posted:

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"It's all a mischaracterization of reality viewed through the lens of Marxism to suggest that Western civilization, capitalism, republicans, white men, are evil, and EVERYTHING is a form of oppression and victimhood, and the only way to solve it is through government redistribution of wealth/regulation."

1/25/2017 11:25:40 PM

So is JCE ok with abortions done outside of planned parenthood?

1/25/2017 11:54:20 PM

Cabbage, if you can name one item from the list Klatypus posted ITT that doesn't fit that criteria, let me know.

1/26/2017 1:03:13 AM

How about you justify the claim that ANY of them "suggest that Western civilization, capitalism, republicans, white men, are EVIL". Think you can do that, chief?

As you said: "..deliberately mischaracterize your opponent's position in such a hysterical fashion."

Yup, that's you all right.

1/26/2017 1:24:13 AM

Sure thing, 2nd one on the list:

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"We believe Gender Justice is Racial Justice is Economic Justice. We must create a society in which all women—including Black women, Native women, poor women, immigrant women, Muslim women, lesbian, queer and trans women—are free and able to care for and nurture their families, however they are formed, in safe and healthy environments free from structural impediments."

First point: You don't need to add a qualifier to "justice". The only reason you would do that is if you were being unjust. There is only individual justice. If you are adding qualifiers you are saying there is collective justice, where the actions of the individual are secondary to the membership in a victimhood class. Identity politics, aka leftist bullshit 101.

Secondly, This point implies every non-white male is a victim in America, being "impeded" by the structure of Western civilization.

See what I mean?

[Edited on January 26, 2017 at 1:33 AM. Reason : ez]

1/26/2017 1:32:09 AM

No, I do not see what you mean. I see you playing a bunch of bullshit semantic games and a subjective bias in your interpretation.

Honestly, it sounds as if YOU feel victimized whenever someone suggests justice, racial, and gender issues have any room for improvement in our society. Does the mere suggestion that Western society is not all inclusive and perfectly just offend you? You behave as though that suggestion does offend you.

1/26/2017 2:00:11 AM

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"I don't think you are capable of discussing the subject honestly if you deliberately mischaracterize your opponent's position in such a hysterical fashion. "

While over the last few pages you've constantly used derogatory slander of women who have sex, and generally name-called liberals as a unit. If that's not mischaracterizing your opposition in a hysterical fashion then:

1/26/2017 8:41:37 AM

^ this

1/26/2017 9:00:16 AM

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"While over the last few pages you've constantly used derogatory slander of women who have sex, and generally name-called liberals as a unit. If that's not mischaracterizing your opposition in a hysterical fashion then:"

Here is what I said, since you seem to have difficulty with reading comprehension:

"Mischaracterization of your opponent's position."

Obviously you can't find an example of me doing that, so you try to equate that to "name-calling" which is a joke coming from any liberal on TWW.

1/26/2017 9:09:04 AM