mike & mike this morning. i'll paraphrase:

"this whole thing is stupid (latest t.o. controversy). it's just like allen iverson said, 'what are we talking about? practice. we're talking about practice, man'. c'mon. this is all stupid. we're talking about a guy who has 10, 12 years worth of film. you know what he can do on the field. he instantly makes your team better. bill parcells needs t.o. more than t.o. needs parcells... when's the last time parcells won? tell me, when?"

his interviewed will make the rounds for the next 2 days or so. watch.

8/18/2006 9:33:44 AM

everybody knows that deion sanders is a smart person and worth listening to

8/18/2006 9:40:23 AM

well, i agree with him. parcells does need t.o.

8/18/2006 9:53:47 AM

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"when's the last time parcells won? tell me, when?"

hey deion, has T.O. EVER won?

8/18/2006 9:58:29 AM

well he made it to the super bowl. didn't win it, but that's more than bill has done in recent years.

8/18/2006 10:02:57 AM

BILL HAS SUPERBOWL RINGS

TO DOESNT

also he didnt even play in the playoffs...the eagles made it to the superbowl and then TO came back and played and didnt score a touchdown

8/18/2006 10:04:33 AM

games? yes.
superbowls? no, but you can't blame a single player for that when talking about football. hell, he played in the superbowl after breaking his leg.

8/18/2006 10:07:28 AM

how'd that work out for him and philly?

8/18/2006 10:11:22 AM

they lost. you're still not disputing that parcells hasn't won recently.

8/18/2006 10:19:51 AM

PARCELLS HAS HAD SHIT FOR TALENT UP TO LAST YEAR.....THE YEAR BEFORE HE HAD VINNY TESTEVERDE AND THE YEAR BEFORE THAT HE TOOK THE TEAM TO THE PLAYOFFS WITH QUINCY FUCKING CARTER.....SO HE OBVIOUSLY KNOWS WHAT HE IS DOING....I THINK THE NFL WILL BE BETTER WITHOUT TO.....FUCK HIM AND FUCK ALLEN IVERSON

8/18/2006 10:23:46 AM

Not to mention that T.O. is going to a non west coast style offense for the first time in his pro career, and parcells didn't even want T.O.

8/18/2006 10:24:06 AM

so y'all are saying that the cowboys squad doesn't need a t.o. caliber player to help them out?

8/18/2006 10:26:21 AM

THEY COULD USE A TO CALIBER PLAYER JUST NOT TO HIMSELF.....HE DESTROYS TEAMS.....HE DIVIDED SAN FRAN AND PHILLY....I BET YOU PHILLY HAS A MUCH IMPROVED YEAR FROM LAST YEAR EVEN WITHOUT A GOOD WR.....

8/18/2006 10:28:08 AM

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"so y'all are saying that the cowboys squad doesn't need a t.o. caliber player to help them out?"

every team could use a TO caliber player......just not one named TO.

8/18/2006 10:31:40 AM

compare their number of championships...thats how people in sports are judged...parcells wins that battle

8/18/2006 10:31:40 AM

that truly is an "apples & oranges" type of thing.

8/18/2006 10:38:44 AM

ok i dont understand

have TO and parcells even had a battle yet? people keep talking about to is hurting the cowboys by missing practice, hasnt he been hurt??? has parcells ever publicly criticized him for being hurt?

i thought i had been paying attn, but if there was some real controversy, could someone point it out?


and sure TO will help dallas, but dallas will help TO too. Not many contenders would roll the dice on him at this point. if to wants to win, he has to go where he can.

8/18/2006 10:46:01 AM

Quote :

"has parcells ever publicly criticized him for being hurt? "

pretty much but not completely.

Parcells went from a calm guy who talks about football to sounding all defensive like Chuck does in interviews. You can tell Parcells is on the edge, and as a Skins fan, I am loving it. He also sounded like Iverson last night with the practice speech...haha

8/18/2006 10:50:18 AM

TO is starting to hurt the cowboys.

parcells knows he cant come down on TO like he does his other players because TO make it into a huge deal. parcells hates players who won't play injured and hates it when they don't practice. the other players are starting to lose respect for his policies on practicing when they see TO not playing, and doing shit like wearing biking gear for the bikes on the sidelines.

nothing major, but it's still there. he can start playing hard now and everyone will forget about it, or he can do in dallas what he did in philly. i guess we'll see.

8/18/2006 10:55:05 AM

^^show me where, i havent seen or heard him say one thing negative about to


^i mean, isnt it all speculation? people think parcells is upset and it is hurting team chemistry

[Edited on August 18, 2006 at 10:56 AM. Reason : a]

8/18/2006 10:55:13 AM

parcells hasn't said anything negative about TO, but he is referring to him as "the player".

he's playin it smart by not giving the media much to work with. i think the fact that he calls TO "the player" says enough in my opinion.

8/18/2006 10:57:04 AM

Parcells record without Belichick on his staff is 46-52. I for one agree with Deion that Parcells needs one of the best playmakers in the game more than TO needs an overrated coach that is slipping.

8/18/2006 11:01:25 AM

T.O. needs the NFL more than the NFL needs T.O.

8/18/2006 11:04:54 AM

i agree.

8/18/2006 11:07:52 AM

i don't think t.o. needs the nfl anymore. he's got plenty of money now. if he invests that properly, he should be fine. on top of that, he'll get money from his endorsements, books, etc.

and despite what you may think, t.o. is actually a great thing for the nfl. the enterainment district thrives off controversial figures.

[Edited on August 18, 2006 at 11:11 AM. Reason : ]

8/18/2006 11:09:34 AM

why do you say that?

8/18/2006 11:10:14 AM

he doesn't have many other career options.....i guess he could write other books, in which he could misquote himself more.

8/18/2006 11:11:52 AM

I always liked Prime Time

8/18/2006 11:12:19 AM

Quote :

"if he invests that properly,"

I'm sure that's on his to do list.

8/18/2006 11:12:56 AM

Quote :

"i don't think t.o. needs the nfl anymore. he's got plenty of money now. if he invests that properly, he should be fine. on top of that, he'll get money from his endorsements, books, etc. and despite what you may think, t.o. is actually a great thing for the nfl. the enterainment district thrives off controversial figures. "

the way i see it, TO needs more then just money. he craves attention, and right now, the NFL is the only outlet that gives him that. the nfl was fine before TO, and will continue to be fine after TO. there will always be superstars to come in and have everyone forget about him...and there are plenty of other controversies that happen without TO.

the nfl isnt completely dependent on star power like the nba is.

[Edited on August 18, 2006 at 11:20 AM. Reason : df]

8/18/2006 11:17:15 AM

Quote :

"he doesn't have many other career options.....i guess he could write other books, in which he could misquote himself more."

he has tons!...

books
football camp(s)
private coaching
movie/tv stunts
television
fitness videos (he's a regular in fitness publications)
another sport
sports equipment line
clothing line
restauranting
whatever business venture he wants to invest his money into
public appearances

really, he doesn't even need to work. if he invested and managed his finances well enough, he could live off whatever he has earned at this point, including whatever else he has coming to him.

[Edited on August 18, 2006 at 11:22 AM. Reason : ]

8/18/2006 11:22:04 AM

disgaree. TO craves winning. as long as dallas wins he'll keep his mouth in somewhat check

8/18/2006 11:24:23 AM

of course he doesnt have to work.....but his type of personality will prevent him from ever trying to be out of the limelite.

^^ most of those "jobs" you listed are playing off his NFL star power. take that away from him, and you simply won't get the same response from consumers.

[Edited on August 18, 2006 at 11:25 AM. Reason : df]

8/18/2006 11:25:02 AM

Quote :

"disgaree. TO craves winning."

i disagree. he seemed fine when they lost the SB b/c he had a good game......I believe the quote was something like "I wasn't the one throwing up on the sidelines".

8/18/2006 11:26:41 AM

^^ well, yeah. playing off his nfl notoriety would be a very smart thing to do. and they would still be jobs or professions.

[Edited on August 18, 2006 at 11:32 AM. Reason : ]

8/18/2006 11:32:09 AM

Quote :

"Parcells record without Belichick on his staff is 46-52"

whats TO's W-L record throughout his career?

8/18/2006 11:37:39 AM

Dallas is chasing too many offensive players. says in the N&O they signed someone else on offense today.

i'm glad. I can't stand Dallas, and look forward to them blowing.

8/18/2006 11:43:02 AM

Quote :

"everybody knows that deion sanders is a smart person and worth listening to"

He always (and probably still does) defended Kordell Stewart's quarterback abilities, so he knows what he's talking about.

8/18/2006 11:45:23 AM

^^^ how many times are you going to keep trying to compare a wide receiver to a head coach in terms of "w-l"? no one associates "w-l" to anyone aside from head coaches, and sometimes quarterbacks.

[Edited on August 18, 2006 at 11:46 AM. Reason : ]

8/18/2006 11:45:26 AM

as bad as kordell stewart was, he was always better than vick.

8/18/2006 11:48:44 AM

^I'M SORRY BUT I AM GOING TO HAVE TO DISAGREE ON THAT ONE THERE...USUALLY I'LL BACK YOU UP ON MOST THINGS ESPECIALLY STEELER RELATED BUT KORDELL IS NOWHERE NEAR AS GOOD AS VICK

8/18/2006 12:08:46 PM

foot action

8/18/2006 12:14:49 PM

8/18/2006 12:23:04 PM

^^^give me one season of vick's that was better than EITHER the 1997 or 2001 seasons from kordell.

look, i thought kordell sucked too, but he was mobile (also) and he could actually hit a receiver with a pass.

[Edited on August 18, 2006 at 12:29 PM. Reason : ]

8/18/2006 12:26:41 PM

disagree. he threw mcnabb under the bus because they lost the game. he pissed and moaned quite a bit about that game. and things really went downhill after they lost it. untilthen things werent terribly horrible relative to his usual douchebaggery

[Edited on August 18, 2006 at 12:32 PM. Reason : ew]

8/18/2006 12:32:02 PM

Quote :

"he could actually hit a receiver with a pass"

IN THE FEET...

I'M SORRY BUT KORDEL WAS GOOD WHEN HE WAS FILLING THE ANTWAN RANDLE EL ROLE BUT WHEN HE ACTUALLY BECAME THE STARTER HE WAS PATHETIC....I KNOW STATISTICALLY HE MIGHT NOT LOOK THAT BAD BUT I BELIEVE HIS NUMBERS WERE A PRODUCT OF THE SYSTEM ITSELF...WHEN YOU HAVE ONE OF THE MOST DOMINATING DEFENSES...A HALL OF FAME RUNNING BACK AND TWO PRO BOWL WRS YOU HAD BETTER BE ABLE TO DO SOMETHING....THE MAJORITY OF HIS STARTING CAREER WERE JAY DAVISESQUE....HE TRULY ONLY HAD ONE GOOD YEAR AS A STARTER.....AND HE WAS NOTORIOUS FOR THROWING PICS IN BIG GAMES (THE STEELERS FIRST LOSS IN THE AFC CHAMPIONSHIP AGAINST NE)

8/18/2006 12:32:04 PM

ok here are what i believe are each of the qb's 2 best seasons and their passing/rushing stats. just look at the 4 sets and tell me which ones look better.

also, in 1997, kordell had 1 pro bowl WR in yancy thigpen. in 2001, ward made the pro bowl. so yes, 2 pro bowl receivers, 2 seperate seasons. also don't forget that kordell himself made the pro bowl in 2001.

hell, even if you pick out vick's 2 seasons as being the best two, by either looking up his stats and matching them or genuinely thinking they are better, the fact remains that he is comparable to kordell stewart. that in itself is enough proof that vick is not the god among men that so many people make him out to be.

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387	214	55.3	2412	6.23	58	15	13	33/201	27	3	73.1

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442	266	60.2	3109	7.03	90	14	11	29/175	44	6	81.7

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96	537	5.6	48	5	5	33


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421	231	54.9	2936	6.97	74	16	8	33/206	44	8	81.6

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440	236	53.6	3020	6.86	69	21	17	20/152	40	10	75.2

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8/18/2006 12:40:42 PM

ok didnt mean to hijack, made this thread for the vick/kordell comparison: /message_topic.aspx?topic=427189

8/18/2006 1:45:26 PM

Quote :

"how many times are you going to keep trying to compare a wide receiver to a head coach in terms of "w-l"? "

well i only did it once and it was in response to Turnip bringing up Parcells' record w/o Belichek

but i will continuously argue against TO's "heroic Superbowl performance"

cause he didnt score, he didnt help them win a single playoff game, and to me part (not solely) but part of the reason he came back was to be looked at as heroic so he could get a bigger contract...and look what happened the next season...he got pissed they wouldnt give him a contract...and obviously the rest is history as Philly fans view him the same as 49ers fans...except he didnt call McNabb a fag

8/18/2006 2:08:52 PM

i think its funny garcia and mcnabb are both eagles

errything comes full circle

8/18/2006 2:11:03 PM