Year one, homos.

1/7/2018 6:14:21 PM

Year zero. Next year he has some of his recruits.

1/8/2018 8:29:47 AM

holy shit only fucking pack fans would find a way to be unhappy after a win like that vs duke.

1/8/2018 3:06:03 PM

^^Year 1. Technically Batts is his recruit and he brought in Freeman and Hunt, guys that he recruited here.

But I get what you're saying.

1/8/2018 3:36:43 PM

And Beverly

[Edited on January 8, 2018 at 5:09 PM. Reason : 2 starters and 2 key bench players ]

1/8/2018 5:08:21 PM

maybe i'm giving pinkandblack too much credit, but i thought it was a reference to everybody calling DD's first season "year 0"

1/8/2018 5:39:31 PM

I've never heard anyone refer to DD's first season as "year zero"

1/8/2018 5:42:46 PM

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"holy shit only fucking pack fans would find a way to be unhappy after a win like that vs duke."

I don't think anyone is unhappy. I think we were extremely pissed at the Notre Dame game losing by 30 without their best players and then beating possibly the best team in the game.

1/8/2018 5:58:17 PM

^^ I’ve definitely seen it. Maybe not a thing here on tww. Idk

1/8/2018 8:31:01 PM

basketball is an extremely variable sport. Anything can happen in one game and crazy upsets happen all the time. everything should be evaluated based on seasons and large sets of games not one or 2 games.

thats why i never gave gottfried credit for one big tournament win in otherwise shitty seasons while some people were crowning him for "tournament success"

1/8/2018 8:39:41 PM

So you would prefer to finish a reg season #1 instead of winning a championship?

1/8/2018 9:17:18 PM

you can't win a championship with 1 amazing game so that's an irrelevant choice

[Edited on January 8, 2018 at 9:38 PM. Reason : #1 is a championship]

1/8/2018 9:37:23 PM

Earl would've been miserable during the '83 run. Sad.

1/8/2018 9:39:50 PM

The positive of the Duke game was it wasn’t one of those we shot 13/17 from beyond the arc, 14/15 from the line and they skot 25% from the field. We shot good, but not lights out. Really just played with good energy, played smart, and executed. Good coaching seemed to be evident, adjustments as the game went on, and didn’t choke down the stretch.

1/8/2018 9:44:40 PM

^^^you might be the only person in America that considers finishing #1 to be a championship

In the ACC its not even a real champ is you finish first in the conference.

But anyway, so a 3-5 game win streak is hugely important to you but not a 2 game? So if a team won 3-5 straight ACC games but then lost a bunch the rest of the season, would that be successful?

This is all dumb, Sweet 16's matter to most fans regardless of whether they matter to you. General NCAA tourney success means making it out of the 2nd round.

at a top flight program, i'd much rather have a coach that might lose a stinker now and then reg season but then turn it on in the tourney

[Edited on January 8, 2018 at 9:51 PM. Reason : e]

1/8/2018 9:51:28 PM

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"Earl would've been miserable during the '83 run. Sad."

You should look into that run. It was more than just the win over houston like you thought. (You had to think that to make such a dumb comparison).

That team won 10 games in a row 5 of which were against top 6 teams. Very different from upsetting 1 great team.

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"you might be the only person in America that considers finishing #1 to be a championship In the ACC its not even a real champ is you finish first in the conference."

There is a much higher probability that the team who finishes #1 will win a championship if they haven't already done so especially with the way the seeding and byes are setup today.

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"But anyway, so a 3-5 game win streak is hugely important to you but not a 2 game? So if a team won 3-5 straight ACC games but then lost a bunch the rest of the season, would that be successful?"

Round of 64 is usually a tossup between two equally mediocre teams. Someone has to win those games and the winner has a fighters chance at pulling off the random upset.

Thats why I'm saying its how you follow up the big upset that is important. Anyone can pull an upset but can you follow that up with a win over another good team? If we beat clemson, that will tell me this team has something. 10 times out of 10 we lose the next big game after a big upset. Hence they are in the sweet16 with 1 great win. Its not a big deal

In the tournament, you aren't just playing a rando in the game after the upset. You are playing 4 good teams in a row (sweet 16 elite 8 final 4 and championship). The vulnerable teams have been filtered out at that point.

Any team that can win 5 games in a row against good teams in the regular season is a safe bet to go to the final four or win a conference championship. We're not talking about the schedule allowing 3 of those 5 to be ACC bottomfeeders either. We're talking about 5 tournament level teams.

[Edited on January 8, 2018 at 10:26 PM. Reason : k]

1/8/2018 10:25:18 PM

wrong

[Edited on January 8, 2018 at 10:37 PM. Reason : such hypocrisy]

1/8/2018 10:37:27 PM

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"There is a much higher probability that the team who finishes #1 will win a championship if they haven't already done so especially with the way the seeding and byes are setup today. "

huh? what does this have to do with anything?

Also, for Gott's first Sweet 16 run, as the 11 seed they beat a 6 sead (top 25) then a 3 seed (top 15) then lost by 3 to a 2 seed (top 10 and made the champ game). Terrible responses.

The LSU win might have been nothing special but it was a gutty win and staying up enough to beat Nova is worthy of praise. Then Lou is super close before a guy who didnt score another point in the NCAA or ACC tourney gets hot.

The sweet 16 runs were great, both losses were disappointing, Lou more than Kansas, but we were in those games.

[Edited on January 8, 2018 at 10:54 PM. Reason : i'm getting super earl'ed but its ok]

[Edited on January 8, 2018 at 10:56 PM. Reason : also f u for making me relive those 2 games]

1/8/2018 10:54:08 PM

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"maybe i'm giving pinkandblack too much credit"

He's undeserving of any credit.

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"I think we were extremely pissed at...beating possibly the best team in the game."

So you got MORE pissed after "beating possibly the best team in the game". Got it.

[Edited on January 8, 2018 at 11:14 PM. Reason : #boozied]

1/8/2018 11:14:34 PM

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"I've never heard anyone refer to DD's first season as "year zero""

I call it his year zero and eight.

1/8/2018 11:19:19 PM

^^That is not what I said. Not surprising coming from you. You were on TWW saying you weren't even going to watch.

1/8/2018 11:29:27 PM

And I didn't watch the Duke game.

Doesn't change the fact that you were pissed after beating Duke. I quoted your words.

[Edited on January 9, 2018 at 12:26 AM. Reason : It's understandable being pissed after the ND loss, but not after a #2 Duke win]

1/9/2018 12:24:52 AM

+1 for forcing the missed FT

1/11/2018 11:18:10 PM

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"Don't lose the next game and I'll increase the credibility."

Oh, would you look at that. It's not impossible to get a team to show up two games in a row with a competent coach. Our low iq players almost blew it but he salvaged things at the end.

+2 credibility for 2 ranked wins in a row

1/11/2018 11:21:49 PM

didn't cover the spread. -1 cred

1/15/2018 9:50:05 AM

I'm okay with how we played that game. Our defense was tough for the most part and we shot horrible from three. That was a respectable loss in my opinion.

1/15/2018 10:34:43 AM

^agreed

1/15/2018 12:11:20 PM

UVA makes a lotta teams look bad. at least we forced turnovers. not too worried about this loss.

1/15/2018 12:14:35 PM

Yeah I was watching with a UVA superfan and he was impressed with how many turnovers we forced.

1/15/2018 1:52:58 PM

I've messed around with the RPI calculators and it's theoretically possible we could play ourselves onto the bubble if we win half of our 40/60 games and pull one more major upset. I factored in the auto-loss @ Wake and the fact that we'll shut the bed again in another game. The ACC + "Top 10 wins" factor will likely make a difference if we can get to the bubble

But digging ourselves out of the hole that the Herb OOC-schedule dug is going to be hard. The 18-13 we're projected for (even if you add a win or two in Brooklyn) won't be enough.

[Edited on January 19, 2018 at 10:24 PM. Reason : taking the next two puts us on track]

1/19/2018 10:24:22 PM

18-13 with a win over north carolina and 2 wins in the accT would put us in

1/19/2018 10:59:15 PM

if those 2 wins were clemson and duke or unc, it might get us to dayton

might

1/20/2018 11:07:03 AM

I think we have to at least 10-8 in acc with our shit OOC schedule

1/20/2018 11:39:43 AM

I think at this point our OOC schedule is pretty irrelevant when it comes to a chance at making the tournament. Honestly getting those easy wins are better for us than having 2 more losses against top 25 type teams, and our bad losses will be ignored as just early season/new coach/etc. The acc is strong enough this year that our conference schedule will boost our various metrics enough, and the OOC will be helped by Arizona ending up a top 10 team(they will be by the end) and Tennessee being a top 25 team.

Ultimately we'll have a better list of quality wins than some of our previous bubble seasons that we got in, I think it just comes down to getting to 19-20 wins. If we go 6-6 then need to win 2 ACCT games, or go 7-5 and win 1 ACCT game we'll be in good shape because of some good wins. Arizona and Duke will be top 10 wins and depending on how things go down the stretch maybe top 5 wins.

But we can also easily finish the season 2-10 as well.

1/21/2018 10:41:33 AM

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"I think at this point our OOC schedule is pretty irrelevant when it comes to a chance at making the tournament"

No.

1/21/2018 11:35:05 AM

It’s not irrelevant. But playing in the acc, we’ll have plenty of chances at good wins. Just a matter of how things shake out with our rpi...those ooc games can still kill your rpi

1/21/2018 12:39:36 PM

^^ we either get to 20 wins or we don’t.

Playing a harder OOC schedule with losses wasn’t helping. ACC was weaker maybe a bigger issue but nobody come tournament time will care about our OOC as we will have played plenty of strong teams. Get to 20 wins with wins over Arizona, Duke, Clemson, and we will get in. Our OOC actually helps just so we can hit that 19-20 win number.

RPI is a dumb rating system and shouldn’t be used to judge anything. Fact that it is even used for any reason than maybe a general SOS snapshot with the much better current rating systems is a joke.

1/21/2018 12:55:57 PM

It was either last year or the year before when they went inside the committee and showed the team cards they use. they have rpi and sos but they don't have which part of that came from conference or not.

the biggest thing is they list the top 30? wins and bad losses which takes up half of the card.

essentially, the big wins are the main thing they see and our list will be much much longer than many of the teams we are competing with who have 20 wins. 20 wins doesn't mean anything.

1/21/2018 1:13:32 PM

Going zone on that last possession was stupid.

1/21/2018 3:16:58 PM

We had gone zone a few possessions before then and forced a stop or two I think. But that dunk was obviously a terrible lapse.

1/21/2018 3:26:38 PM

^^had to try something. any team that can run a pick n roll with discipline will shred our man principles all day. to me, the fact that he noticed it and went zone when we needed a stop is a better sign than if he didn't give me any sign that he recognizes the problem.

we will be fine against teams that don't run pick n roll or teams with gott level discipline and maybe we will be fine when he gets his own guys in.

1/21/2018 3:44:33 PM

I don't have much to complaint about in today's loss. Team played well, exciting ball even, at times but just wasn't good enough to prevail given our flaws and Miami shooting like twice as well from 3 as they normally do.

The biggest issues with the team aren't things Keatts can do a lot about, and there have been some encouraging signs given the limitations he's working with. What his defenses will look like once he has his own players is still an open question, however, and the one that will decide his fate here.

[Edited on January 21, 2018 at 3:54 PM. Reason : _]

1/21/2018 3:53:46 PM

3 wins over 4 seeds or better come March, but an 85 RPI. He is not feared and respected. Need to really be fierce now and get the reputation up or it's the hot seat.

1/24/2018 8:37:21 AM

There ain't no fucking hot seat GTFO

1/24/2018 8:45:04 AM

1/24/2018 9:25:58 AM

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"3 wins over 4 seeds or better come March, but an 85 RPI. He is not feared and respected. Need to really be fierce now and get the reputation up or it's the hot seat."

obv troll is obv

someone start the fucking game thread lets GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

1/24/2018 9:33:55 AM

Year one, homos

1/24/2018 11:20:39 AM

http://www.newsobserver.com/sports/college/acc/nc-state/state-now/article196180304.html

1/24/2018 11:58:04 AM

I will never understand how Wiseman is a beat reporter for a large city newspaper. He is the most boring and unincitefull reporter I've ever read. Going from Giglio to him is like having a Big Mac after appetizers at Second Empire.

1/24/2018 12:27:12 PM

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"unincitefull"

1/24/2018 1:50:13 PM