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2/13/2018 9:17:59 AM

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"or you are uneducated on whose taxes were cut."

go ahead and educate, teach

2/13/2018 9:58:42 AM

joint income short term:
0-$19k no change
$19k-$77k drops from 15% to 12%
$77k-$165k drops from 25% to 11%
$165k-$315k drops from 28% to 24%
$315k-$400k drops from 33% to 32%
$400k-$600k changes bracket so goes from 33%-35% and new is 35%
$600k+ drops from 39.6% to 37%

in the short term it benefits the middle class, in the long term it hurts the poor and middle class and helps the top percentiles

2/13/2018 10:08:11 AM

Unless you dont understand what you just posted, the tax cuts benefit the poor as well, not just the middle class (those making under $19k are already paying little to no taxes). So we agree that the tax cuts are beneficial to everyone, and not just the rich.

When you say the long term, I assume you mean after the tax cuts are scheduled to expire. Again, let me know when the first democrat proposes a bill to keep the tax cuts permanent.

2/13/2018 10:34:22 AM

it's still 10% under $19k joint income, if you are including things that effectively bring that down I'm not sure why you aren't doing the same to the other brackets (actually I know the answer)

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"Again, let me know when the first democrat proposes a bill to keep the tax cuts permanent."

see:
H.R.8 - American Taxpayer Relief Act of 2012
https://www.congress.gov/bill/112th-congress/house-bill/8/text
signed into law by president obama, more republicans voted against it in the senate than democrats, more republicans voted against it in the house than democrats

(i don't really have much of a problem with the rates in the tax cut, just making things clear)

[Edited on February 13, 2018 at 11:06 AM. Reason : .]

2/13/2018 10:49:01 AM

FBI Director basically confirmed the WH lied bigly about this Porter situation. How are we ever supposed to take anything the WH says seriously and why would anyone ever believe them?

Also, given how important information security was in the 2016 presidential election I’m sure the MAGAs are really upset about the lack of clearances for viewing classified information in this WH.

2/13/2018 11:01:10 AM

Did Porter even have an interim security clearance anymore?

Seems like an interim clearance should be revoked if a permanent clearance is denied.

2/13/2018 11:40:01 AM

Is there a difference between and interim and permanent clearance?

2/13/2018 11:51:34 AM

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"H.R.8 - American Taxpayer Relief Act of 2012"

Drafted and cosponsored by only Republicans.

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"more republicans voted against it in the senate than democrats, more republicans voted against it in the house than democrats"

In the Senate, it passed 89-8 (3 D's, 5 R's voted no)

House vote:
Ayes Noes
Republican 237 1
Democratic 19 170

So you are either factually wrong or disingenuous about the vote. But we can look past that, because we all agree that the tax cuts are a good thing. So when the first democrat proposes a bill to make the tax cuts permanent, let me know.

2/13/2018 12:10:21 PM

Since you quoted me originally, I want to say that you are correct about the Dems also being garbage. But:

1. Tax cuts for the lower & middle class are good
2. The expiration date is not
3. Large cuts to social programs are not

So I'd love to say that this is a good thing but the cuts to Medicare & Medicaid (and whatever else idk) make it a bad thing.

2/13/2018 12:19:46 PM

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"1. Tax cuts for the lower & middle class are good"

- Genuinely curious. How do you rationalize that tax cuts are a good thing for some groups, but not others?

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"2. The expiration date is not"

Agreed. The expiration date is just political posturing for 2024 election cycle. I would love to see bipartisan support for a bill to make the cuts permanent though.

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"3. Large cuts to social programs are not"

We have a huge spending problem (not an income problem). We have to find a better way to spend our money on Social programs AS WELL AS military programs. This probably belongs in the GOP credibility thread, but as successful as the tax cuts have been, the budget was as much of a disaster.

2/13/2018 12:34:25 PM

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"- Genuinely curious. How do you rationalize that tax cuts are a good thing for some groups, but not others?"

-We don't have enough money for the programs that I believe we need.
-Lower and middle class wages have stagnated for 25 years or so. They needed relief. The rich, in the same time period, have amassed enormous wealth at an accelerating rate.
-And if you want my actual opinion, income should be taxed at an extremely high rate over a certain amount. No reason for some people to be absurdly wealthy on the backs of the proletariat.

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"We have a huge spending problem (not an income problem). We have to find a better way to spend our money on Social programs AS WELL AS military programs. This probably belongs in the GOP credibility thread, but as successful as the tax cuts have been, the budget was as much of a disaster."

Trimming/re-directing waste is good, but Medicare and medicaid are vital pieces of the social safety net. Policing the rest of the world is not. And I think we should be spending much more on social programs, via taxes on the rich.

[Edited on February 13, 2018 at 12:45 PM. Reason : .]

2/13/2018 12:43:18 PM

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"So you are either factually wrong or disingenuous about the vote"

i said:
quote: signed into law by president obama, more republicans voted against it in the senate than democrats, more republicans voted against it in the house than democrats

was it signed into law by president obama? - yes
did more republicans vote against it in the senate than democrats? - yes. 3 democrats voted against, 5 republicans voted against
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/112-2012/s251
did more republicans vote against in the house than democrats? - yes. 151 republicans voted against, 16 democrats voted against
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/112-2012/h659

i am making the good faith assumption that govtrack.us is accurate, so if i'm factually wrong it is a mistake and not being disingenuous

edit: i see your mistake, you were looking at the initial vote, that's an easy mistake to make. still a bit embarassing though.

[Edited on February 13, 2018 at 12:46 PM. Reason : .]

2/13/2018 12:43:26 PM

LOL. I mean, they have the votes on the senate and house webpage. You can check for yourself. But again, lets not bicker over which party has the smallest dick. We all agree that tax cuts are a good thing. So lets work together to make them permanent. Let me know when the first democrat proposes a bill.

2/13/2018 12:57:13 PM

this is the vote you accidentally looked at:

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/112-2012/h545

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"It was not the final House vote on the bill. See the history of H.R. 8 (112th) for further details."

2/13/2018 12:59:58 PM

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/ex-wife-accused-wh-aide-rips-trump-suggesting-he-didn-n847531

2/13/2018 5:19:35 PM

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/13/us/politics/stormy-daniels-michael-cohen-trump.html
So trump’s attorney is admitting to paying Stormy Daniels but is claiming he just gave her money and it has nothing to do with trump

Lol...

They must really think their base is dumber than we can imagine

[Edited on February 13, 2018 at 10:16 PM. Reason : ]

2/13/2018 10:15:34 PM

I think the problem is precisely that their base is dumber than we imagine.

Maybe he paid her to do a golden showers party in a hotel room for him in Prague.

[Edited on February 13, 2018 at 10:17 PM. Reason : a]

2/13/2018 10:16:39 PM

this is the fucker half the country elected, huh? and the same half hates bernie? is this half humans or demons?

https://www.facebook.com/senatorsanders/videos/10156756708682908

2/13/2018 11:45:44 PM

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"-We don't have enough money for the programs that I believe we need."

We already spend WAAY more than any other country on programs like Medicare and Medicaid. And by no measure are they successful. Perhaps we should figure out how to fix the industry/programs before throwing more money at it.

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"-Lower and middle class wages have stagnated for 25 years or so. They needed relief. The rich, in the same time period, have amassed enormous wealth at an accelerating rate."

Actually, middle class incomes is up over 40% since 1980. But I agree that the lower and middle class need relief from the leeching government.

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"-And if you want my actual opinion, income should be taxed at an extremely high rate over a certain amount. No reason for some people to be absurdly wealthy on the backs of the proletariat."

What income level and what rate do you think they should be taxed at?

2/14/2018 12:09:45 AM

Can we take a moment and appreciate the fact that someone at the WH decided that paying a pornstar hush money to cover up the president rawdogging a pornstar while his wife was at home with a 5-month old is a better story for the White House than the Porter thing? And the crazy thing is... they are right.

Trump being an awful human being isn’t new and no one cares. But him consistently supporting those accused of domestic violence is a bridge too far.

2/14/2018 7:50:11 AM

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"We already spend WAAY more than any other country on programs like Medicare and Medicaid. And by no measure are they successful. Perhaps we should figure out how to fix the industry/programs before throwing more money at it."

It's called single payer.

2/14/2018 7:54:10 AM

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"Lol... They must really think their base is dumber than we can imagine"

It's to the point that some of his base doesn't care, some still won't believe it and believe it's fake news, and many won't even really hear about it because they only watch FoxNews (I have multiple relatives like this).

2/14/2018 9:14:43 AM

Trump literally gets away with the following types of conversations:

Random Person: 1 + 1 is 2.

Trump: 1 + 1 is 3. It also equals 2. A lot of people say 3. Maybe Hillary Clinton says 2, I don't know. It's 2 or 3. Let's say 2 for now.

Trump Supporters: Man he really just says it like it is! 1 + 1 is 3!

[Edited on February 14, 2018 at 9:52 AM. Reason : a]

2/14/2018 9:52:48 AM

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"We already spend WAAY more than any other country on programs like Medicare and Medicaid. And by no measure are they successful."

http://news.gallup.com/poll/186527/americans-government-health-plans-satisfied.aspx

2/14/2018 10:35:27 AM

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"We already spend WAAY more than any other country on programs like Medicare and Medicaid. And by no measure are they successful. Perhaps we should figure out how to fix the industry/programs before throwing more money at it."

Because we have a mixture of public/private care and politicians who are incentivized to funnel money to into the private end. Single payer can fix this.

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"Actually, middle class incomes is up over 40% since 1980. But I agree that the lower and middle class need relief from the leeching government."

http://www.epi.org/publication/charting-wage-stagnation/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle-class_squeeze

2/14/2018 10:57:07 AM

I’m genuinely curious when I see things like this:

https://twitter.com/yashar/status/963816150713937921

Did people not know who Trump was? They actually thought he would “drain the swamp” and not just have his entire administration be one huge grift?

(this is more aimed at obama/trump voters and less those hardcore ideologues who would kill their children to advance the conservative cause )

[Edited on February 14, 2018 at 11:50 AM. Reason : C]

2/14/2018 11:48:51 AM

Here's my favorite thing right now:

Lloyd Blankfein - These tax cuts combined with increased spending could really hurt the economy. But the economy right now is higher than it would have been under Clinton.

What a corrupt piece of shit.

Paul Ryan (regarding Porter and beating women) - The vetting process needs to be fixed.

No, actually, the vetting process worked. The FBI froze the clearance process and alerted the hiring officials to the problems. The part that needs to be fixed is the process that puts people like Paul Ryan and Donald Trump in office. That process would be the education system combined with campaign finance laws.

What a complete moron.

[Edited on February 14, 2018 at 12:05 PM. Reason : a]

2/14/2018 12:05:41 PM

^^That EPI study shows the exact same wage growth that I mentioned above (from a CBO report in 2013).

I am curious what income level and what rate do you think they should be taxed at?

2/14/2018 12:38:02 PM

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"^^That EPI study shows the exact same wage growth that I mentioned above (from a CBO report in 2013)."

I'm not seeing that statistic. Can you point it out?

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"I am curious what income level and what rate do you think they should be taxed at?"

I'm not sure what I would put it at. I just think no one should be making 100x+ what the lower class makes. The fact that we have a "lower class" at all is a problem. We can get into a debate about capitalism in general but I don't really want to do that

2/14/2018 12:47:00 PM

^Fig.1 of the EPI study came from the CBO report.

2/14/2018 1:26:27 PM

Ahh I see. That number is household income. The reason it has gone up is because of the increase in dual earners:

http://www.pewresearch.org/ft_dual-income-households-1960-2012-2/

So even taking this into account, the middle class & and lower class have not kept up. When you limit it to individual income, we're waaaaaaay off.

Also that chart cuts off at 2009 (the highest point in recent history). We've gone back down since then.


[Edited on February 14, 2018 at 2:09 PM. Reason : .]

2/14/2018 2:01:15 PM

HCH seems to either intentionally (or more likely, unintentionally) manipulate statistical data to fit his narratives.

2/14/2018 2:26:19 PM

I don't think it's intentional. There's a lot of misleading information out there. And it actually took me a min to figure out why his interpretation was wrong.

2/14/2018 2:29:27 PM

^^ he’s a smug, surface-level kind of Republican

the kind who would make a statement like this after the HMonJ march this past Saturday:

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"It is disappointing that the speakers at this Democrat Party rally could not celebrate the best North Carolina economy in two decades, the lowest black unemployment ever recorded, and record investments in public education including the highest teacher pay raises the state has ever seen."

2/14/2018 4:04:47 PM

Remember guys. Thoughts and prayers.

2/14/2018 4:13:35 PM

So according to his tweet this morning See Something Say Something should also apply to the depressed/mentally ill.

So it's totally the family's and neighbors' fault Florida happened. Good to know.

2/15/2018 8:33:54 AM

Too bad one of the first things he signed into legislation was a bill making it easier for the mentally ill to buy a gun...

2/15/2018 8:54:53 AM

The gaslighting on DACA is bad faith on another level.

I’m just spitballing here but I’m beginning to think that Trump keeps moving the goalposts because he doesn’t actually want to stop them from being deported.

2/16/2018 10:10:46 AM

And then he'll blame it on Congress for not sending him a bill.

2/16/2018 10:33:08 AM

+1 for slick system to pay off your mistresses and keep affairs hush-hush.

1. Have affair with playboy model
2. Get your friend's tabloid to pay her for exclusive rights to her story about affair
3. Said tabloid "decides" not to run the story
4. Profit.

2/16/2018 10:48:28 AM

and his attorney paid for the other one out of their own pocket, pretty sweet deal

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2018/02/14/longtime-trump-attorney-says-he-made-130000-payment-to-stormy-daniels-with-his-money/?utm_term=.bc2d5814fbe5



[Edited on February 16, 2018 at 10:52 AM. Reason : one of the other ones, not the other one]

2/16/2018 10:50:51 AM

From that article

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"Neither the Trump Organization nor the Trump campaign was a party to the transaction with Ms. Clifford, and neither reimbursed me for the payment, either directly or indirectly."

What about Trump himself...

2/16/2018 10:55:26 AM

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/965009332042596352

Pretty much shitposting at this point..

2/17/2018 7:03:44 PM

^ that tweet makes almost no sense

It’s literally the type of idiotic sentiment you’d expect from a Russian troll account

He’s just stringing topical political words together trying to make something that sounds like a cogent political thought

[Edited on February 17, 2018 at 7:42 PM. Reason : ]

2/17/2018 7:42:10 PM

I'm waiting for him to start tweeting at some of the more outspoken high school students.

2/17/2018 7:56:03 PM

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"https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/965009332042596352 Pretty much shitposting at this point.. "

wtf, is his twitter picture him smiling at the florida shooting visit?

2/17/2018 10:20:42 PM

No, it's a picture of him smiling and giving a thumbs up during his Florida visit.

2/18/2018 12:41:14 AM

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"Very sad that the FBI missed all of the many signals sent out by the Florida school shooter. This is not acceptable. They are spending too much time trying to prove Russian collusion with the Trump campaign - there is no collusion. Get back to the basics and make us all proud!"

Posted at 11pm

Apparently this last school shooting is really about Trump

2/18/2018 1:23:07 AM

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"Just like they don’t want to solve the DACA problem, why didn’t the Democrats pass gun control legislation when they had both the House & Senate during the Obama Administration. Because they didn’t want to, and now they just talk!"

has a point tho!

2/18/2018 5:02:48 AM