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"god i wish open world pvp happened nearly as much as you think it does. since BGs and the honor system have come around PVP has sucked cock."

Barrens chat is god fucking awful. I swear ive never seen more stupid racism in all my life (that even includes tww to give you an idea how fucking stupid it is). In all honesty I would rather level up on alliance side, as it seemed more complete. Alas my roomie would never stop fucking bitching so i dont really have an option. Its horde all the way!

12/1/2005 5:50:28 PM

I dont like to stress the fact that the warlock rocks, but he jus does. So, for all you staff users out there, feel free to come in and post, my staff is a good one, but here is how it goes

1. post message in the room

2. LOOK IT OVER

3. dont report anything, i might get in trouble Smiley

and 4. Have fun!!!

12/1/2005 5:53:36 PM

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" pallies are tools. They have a great AOE for a melee class, they have their fagbubble, they can buff and cleanase like crazy, they can stun, wear plate, and they can still do decent damage. YET.. wait! thast not enough they want more!!! they want to be able to hit as hard as a 30/20/0 warrior! its retarded. if they wanted to hit that hard and wear plate, they should have rolled a warrior. yes there is a tree for damage but they KNEW when picking that class that it wasnt for damage. just like if you choose to be a mt for a pve guild you have to understand they might want you to spec prot and your pvp will suffer for a bit. oh well "

you make alot of false statements for some one who just hit 60. how about you see the endgame before you start commenting.

12/1/2005 6:57:12 PM

12/1/2005 7:03:09 PM

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""god i wish open world pvp happened nearly as much as you think it does. since BGs and the honor system have come around PVP has sucked cock.""

well we almost always raid Refuge Point in between AB's. Right now we had about 10 60's in a raid vs 10+ alliance 60's

12/1/2005 7:39:57 PM

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"you make alot of false statements for some one who just hit 60. how about you see the endgame before you start commenting."

just because i just hit 60 with my main character doesnt mean i havent played the game since january.
nothing extra for me to see in endgame. ive been owning pally's sinces the mid 50s on my orc warrior because most of them dont know how to play their class and try to out dps me.

they need to learn their place. and learn to play.

PS what statements that i made were blatantly false?

pallies are tools CHECK
They have a great AOE for a melee class CHECK
they have their fagbubble, CHECK
they can buff and cleanase like crazy, CHECK (especially even more in the new patch)
they can stun CHECK
wear plate CHECK
and they can still do decent damage CHECK (consider they are more of a defense oriented class they can do some decent damage)

[Edited on December 1, 2005 at 10:04 PM. Reason : ]

12/1/2005 9:59:21 PM

ps ive done over 50 AVs in my existence from 51-60 so i have a lot of experiene with 60 pallies as well as watching my roommate play his 60 mage since this summer

[Edited on December 1, 2005 at 10:58 PM. Reason : ]

12/1/2005 10:55:03 PM

well, Consecration is not a "great AoE"... it's 384 damage over 8 seconds... i'd personally rather have Thunder Clap than that, and 99% of your endgame pallys are not Retribution spec... they tend to be holy and protection heavy

almost every class can stun (or something equal in effect like fear)... as much as you are right that they CAN INDEED STUN... it's a 6 second stun with a 1 minute cooldown... that's nothing impressive really...

bubble is a 5 minute cooldown that lets them get about 3 free hits in (or one heal)... as opposed to the fury warriors who get 4-5 hits in for free after they intercept (30 second cooldown)... or the stunlock rogues that get nothing but free hits (if they play them well)... and a priest can use PW:S and get their heals off without taking any damage too... again, they have bubble, but it's nothing that will completely change a fight...

and they are mediocre dps... rarely, if ever, do i see the pally outdamage anyone other than the healers... they are buffmonkeys, they make the people around them stronger... kinda like a shaman...

Pallys are no more cheap than anyone else, and all classes are dangerous if the person has a good spec and knows how to play it. Hell i've watched hunters take every class out there to school... and i've seen hunters get absolutely demolished. As with any game like this, it depends much more on the player than the class.

12/1/2005 11:02:22 PM

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"as much as you are right that they CAN INDEED STUN... it's a 6 second stun with a 1 minute cooldown... that's nothing impressive really..."

Except it's a stun that you can't self dispel, use WOTF, or use a trinket on. (Unlike fear or snare or thunderclap or anything else that you mentioned).

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"priest can use PW:S and get their heals off without taking any damage too... again, they have bubble"

Again, this can be dispelled by either another priest, a shaman, or a paladin. A paladin with a shield up is IMMUNE to anything.

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"and they are mediocre dps... rarely, if ever, do i see the pally outdamage anyone other than the healers..."

I have a level 48 paladin, retribution spec, on Burning Blade with Executioner's Cleaver (http://thottbot.com/?i=5700) and I regularly crit with seal of command for over 1000 damage. And that is at level 48.

Add to the fact that I can heal myself, stun every minute, make myself invulnerable if I want, get a free mount, completely heal myself every hour, all while wearing the same gear as a warrior... well.....

12/1/2005 11:07:57 PM

umm, the PvP trinket dispels Hammer of Justice...

Paladins can't remove PW:H to my knowledge... they can only remove effects from friendly targets... as far as that goes, Priests are the only ones i can think of that can dispel effects on enemies...

and again, your standard buff/heal endgame pally is not retribution specced, so they aren't gonna do as much damage, and even when they are, their damage is purely chance-based, since their seals are CoH...

and are you saying that JUST the SoC proc is doing 1k? or the hit plus the proc is 1k?

12/1/2005 11:40:00 PM

id trade crappy thunderclap for their aoe anyday

12/1/2005 11:44:53 PM

basically all im saying is they are not a nerfed down class at all yet they keep asking for MORE on their forums.. they dont need more

12/1/2005 11:45:57 PM

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"Barrens chat is god fucking awful. I swear ive never seen more stupid racism in all my life (that even includes tww to give you an idea how fucking stupid it is). In all honesty I would rather level up on alliance side, as it seemed more complete. Alas my roomie would never stop fucking bitching so i dont really have an option. Its horde all the way!"

as far as story and lore goes the Horde beat the Alliance hands down. So i dont know why you'd say the alliance side is more "complete".

12/1/2005 11:50:16 PM

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"basically all im saying is they are not a nerfed down class at all yet they keep asking for MORE on their forums.. they dont need more "

well the only pallies i really listen to are the ones i know are reasonable people who think about things before they complain... and what they are asking for is more balance within the class... Paladins are pretty much pigeon-holed as buffmonkeys... their DPS is mediocre at best, their healing leaves a bit to be desired in comparison to shamans or druids... the only thing the class is really good at in raids is buffing and backup healing... most of the paladins i have heard complain are complaining that they would like to be able to choose what their role is, rather than being handed it.

12/2/2005 12:10:51 AM

they did choose, they chose to be Pallys instead of another class.

12/2/2005 12:11:57 AM

^^^i think they were referring to in-game storyline as far as quests go... kinda like the fact that the Onyxia story starts at about lvl 26 or so on the Alliance side, and is a badass story... the storylines for Deadmines, Gnomer, Duskwood, etc. are pretty cool and involved too...

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"they did choose, they chose to be Pallys instead of another class"

so what about the warriors who have a choice between DPS or tanking, and being effective at both?

what about the rogues who chose between combat and assassination depending on their playstyle?

what about the mages that chose between fire and frost to better suit themself?

what about the druids that chose between feral and resto because they play one better than the other?

what about pretty much every other class being able to have a choice in what they want to do with their class?

every pally reaches endgame and is met with one choice, and that is between PvP and raid... if they want to do PvP, retribution is the way to go, but if they want to be desirable in raids, they better be specced to be the best buffmonkey that they can be, because that retribution spec is going to put them near the bottom of the DPS pack...

12/2/2005 12:22:24 AM

^^because shadow priests and balance druids are so desired in MC
everyone has a set role in raids - the things you listed are just choosing different means to the same end.

12/2/2005 1:21:03 AM

unless you are a rogue, and then you are just there so NS/BF doesn't get DE'd

12/2/2005 2:29:45 AM

why would balance druids be needed for MC???????????

12/2/2005 2:35:54 AM

they aren't, that's the point

12/2/2005 2:37:15 AM

ok yea i just skimmed that one post thats why i didnt see the sarcasm

12/2/2005 2:43:18 AM

it's ok, we all have our off moments, like when i rolled rogue

12/2/2005 3:15:10 AM

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"Alas my roomie would never stop fucking bitching so i dont really have an option."

Damn fucking straight I'd bitch. There will be no cockplay in this house unless I initiate .

As for World PVP in WoW. It sucks. Doesn't exist. The only reason I even do BG's anymore is to get faction for the AB staff and AV wolf. The dev's mention that they were going to look into overhauling PVP. I doubt this will happen before the expansion pack but here's hoping.

12/2/2005 3:46:58 AM

8 Man Onyxia, 2EZ

12/2/2005 4:32:01 AM

1. get a 40 man raid
2. get onyxia to 1%
3. boot 32 people from the raid
4. wait 59 seconds for the instance to auto hearth them
5. kill onyxia
6. take screenshots
7. profit?

12/2/2005 4:48:24 AM

those images are from the test servers, i can distinctly see new tier two graphics on lair and nerd.

i'm not sure i beleive they downed onyxia like that though...

12/2/2005 4:59:03 AM

we did actually do it with only 8 people

there's a bug on the test server where you can start a duel with a mage, log out, the mage sheeps you

you log out sheeped

upon logging back in you are your normal self but maintain the sheep health regen. It's around 1000 health per second. My healers didn't cast any heals on me the entire raid. And we lost 6/8 of the people during the kill. A rogue and myself were the only ones to keep the buff the entire time. We lost most of our raid during stage 2, had tons of deep breaths. I'm amazed at how EJ did it with only 10. The fight did take us a little over 30 minutes to do. You can see from the remaining time on our buffs.

12/2/2005 5:06:14 AM

EXPLOITZ!!

12/2/2005 5:18:13 AM

does the cooldown still apply on the test server? so can you go back and do it again?

12/2/2005 5:19:14 AM

i hate you for having at least 3 tier 2 epics

ill never get geared that well i dont think :-/. only really a handful of horde guilds who are even attempting bwl on our server. and most of them are so exclusive and require all kinds of crap to join and participate with them.

12/2/2005 5:47:39 AM

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"Wait you're calling other people a faggot cause you're too dickless to play in an enviroment that may actually harm you? God I hope you never actually died to a mob. I'd uninstall my char if any yellow non-elite managed to kill me @ 60."

im calling people like YOU a faggot because you think its some kind of dick measuring contest.

I was in stonetallon a day or two ago with my 25 rogue and 3 alliance all at least 4 levels above me passed by. they all put their pvp tags on and were taunting me to do the same. what the fuck is cool about that? they sat there for over 5 minutes taunting me. I was eating some food so i sat there just to see how long they would stay.

you may be some kind of fag that has 8 hours a day to spend griefing people like a fucking child or running your l33t inst4nces for you uber l3wt, but most of us dont have the time and prefer to spend it playing the game and not corpse running ourselves back to a town.

faggot.

12/2/2005 8:50:42 AM

I play PvP for the feeling of danger, and the feeling of being at war. Its such a rush to go on the hunt for horde or be hunted by a group and try to get away.

Yesterday I was farming some Incendasors and this 51 orc war was there as well. I ganked him for the measly honor he was worth just to let him know to not steal my mobs. After he got back I let him live and he stayed away from me until I was done.

On a PvP server when you enter BRM expect a war. Its great fun.

12/2/2005 9:08:40 AM

12/2/2005 9:49:01 AM

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"Priests are the only ones i can think of that can dispel effects on enemies..."

Shamans can Purge.

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"and a priest can use PW:S and get their heals off without taking any damage too"

Yes, but a Priest can still be interrupted through their bubble. Don't compare our shit bubble to your fag bubble.

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"every pally reaches endgame and is met with one choice, and that is between PvP and raid... if they want to do PvP, retribution is the way to go, but if they want to be desirable in raids, they better be specced to be the best buffmonkey that they can be, because that retribution spec is going to put them near the bottom of the DPS pack..."

Cry me a fucking river.

Priests have the choice of going Shadow or Holy and if they want PvE, it means they're going Holy.

And gee, I wonder who has it shittier, a Retribution Paladin or a Holy Priest?

I wear Cloth and can use daggers, one handed maces, and staves. How about you? Oh, Plate? That's cool. You can use virtually every weapon in the game? Awesome as well. Free mount? Wow. Your gear has Strength? Cool. Invulnerability? Super awesome.

Whiny fucking paladins.

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"I was in stonetallon a day or two ago with my 25 rogue being a pussy"

Fixed it for Lokken up there.

You should know stuff like that rarely happens more than once on a PvP server. But the scaredy cats on PvE servers probably only feel comfortable PvPing when they've got odds.

[Edited on December 2, 2005 at 11:55 AM. Reason : .]

12/2/2005 11:45:20 AM

Quote :

"basically all im saying is they are not a nerfed down class at all yet they keep asking for MORE on their forums.. they dont need more"

The only thing pallies contribute to raids is buffs, mediocre heals, and a better soulstone option than a priest due to the fact that pallies have insane survivability.

Solo, they're boring as hell to play. Ive built my pally to be as high dps as possible (without spending hundreds of gold on epic weapons) My rogue who's 10 levels lower puts out more damage than my pally.

The only real talent paladins have are survivability. They're really not that great at anything else. They're by far my least favorite class to play

12/2/2005 11:50:42 AM

I dunno what everyones bitching about world PvP for. TP and RP are always fun places to go in between BG's. There are always a handful or more of alliance 60's there, sometimes too many.

12/2/2005 11:52:32 AM

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"does the cooldown still apply on the test server? so can you go back and do it again?"

na. they've got that automatic reset time enforced, so when you zone it, they tell you when it resets.

12/2/2005 12:04:48 PM

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"You should know stuff like that rarely happens more than once on a PvP server. But the scaredy cats on PvE servers probably only feel comfortable PvPing when they've got odds."

oooh im a scaredy cat!!1!

grow up you dicksuckle.

yeah i should have just swtiched on my pvp. obviously i was the pussy and not the 3 lvl 30 alliance sitting there trying to gank a 26 horde

I know multiple players that say you get griefed a lot on PvP servers when trying to quest in contested areas. Just because YOU dont do it doesnt mean it doenst happen.

Im sorry you were born with a small penis but not all of us use the game as a pissing contest with other 13 year olds.

12/2/2005 12:55:29 PM

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"obviously i was the pussy and not the 3 lvl 30 alliance sitting there trying to gank a 26 horde"

Obviously. They were mocking you.

Thirteen or not, they're man enough to run through a mainly Horde area with their PvP flags up.

What can I say though, I like a little more to my gameplay than "Murloc Tiderunner runs away in fear!"

If only they Tiderunner could just drop it's PvP flag

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"Just because YOU dont do it doesnt mean it doenst happen."

OMG REALLY

Just because it does happen to THEM doesn't mean it does happen.

LOOK I CAN DO IT TOO

I bet there's probably a bunch of 13 year olds on your server too.

"ALL HIGH LEVEL KIDS PICK ON ME "

[Edited on December 2, 2005 at 1:04 PM. Reason : pve is for pussies who can't handle the one world pvper they run into a day]

12/2/2005 1:02:34 PM

^^LOL...its like playing single player WoW but with a monthly fee

12/2/2005 1:04:03 PM

you know what, fuck it, no reason to ruin a good thread.

play how you like, ill play how i like

[Edited on December 2, 2005 at 1:22 PM. Reason : *]

12/2/2005 1:07:36 PM

I look at it this way. Ive always prefered good pvp in every mmo ive played. But getting ganked repeatidly while im trying to do some shit is just a waste of time. The added sense of danger is cool and all, but not worth having to deal with it when im just trying to finish a quest or farm some shit. On PvE servers, i have the choice of playing how i want.

12/2/2005 1:31:22 PM

So yeah, lets compare the two faction unique classes: Shammy Vs. Pally.

I think Shammys will win that line up. And those bastards are getting reviewed before we priests are. GRRR!

12/2/2005 3:19:58 PM

Shamans and Paladins are meant to be opposites of each other.

Which is why Paladins having Shaman-level DPS is bizarre.

But Priests need a review much more than Shamans.

[Edited on December 2, 2005 at 4:41 PM. Reason : .]

12/2/2005 4:40:53 PM

12/2/2005 4:43:33 PM

Look, I've got a 60 priest and a 60 paladin; the paladin was my first toon. Right now I never play my pally except to give enchants to guildmates, farm (priest is holy/disc, can't solo jack), or run a guild lowbie through an instance like SM.

Comparing paladin problems to priest problems is useless in arguing your point, b/c both classes are borka'd. Priests haven't gotten their class review yet either... they're up next.

Currently, the proposed test changes break paladins even more than they already are. We've been made terribly mana-inefficient to do damage, as all our damage beyond base weapon auto-attacks is now dependent on holy magic. We now have to expend at least twice as much mana to do about 10% more damage than we do on the live servers pre-1.9. Spending 300 mana to do 140-170 damage is a horrible tradeoff, especially given how small paladin mana pools are compared to other classes already. Couple that with the fact that there are ZERO blue or epic plate pieces with +spell dmg on it, and we have no way to improve upon that inefficiency. The new dependence on mana for PvP also has rendered our epic PvP rank set completely useless, because the entirety of the set gives only +18 int; that's all on one piece. The only advantage it has now is that it reduces the cooldown of our 1-minute stun (which is now an integral part of any damage combo).

Our dependence on seals which are almost exclusively chance-on-hit effects (except for Righteousness, which still is useless for any PvP paladin wanting to use a 2hander) means we have zero controllable burst dps.

The fact is that hybrid classes are supposed to allow you to choose what kind of role you want to fulfill. Our epic class sets indicate that Blizzard only sees paladins as healadins, with no other role viable. The sets offer only +healing and +mana/5 secs, with zero +def, zero +% crit, zero +atk power, zero +% dodge, zero +% parry, zero +% block, not even any +dmg from spells!

If a paladin chooses to be a healadin, they cannot outheal a druid. If a paladin chooses to be a tank, they cannot outtank a druid. If a paladin chooses to be a critadin, they cannot outdamage a druid. This is not an anti-druid comment, it's simply to point out that druids are a hybrid class that Blizzard did a good job with in their class review. The same is NOT happening for paladins.

And again, comparing their problems to priests' problems is sillly. Priest itemization is just as broken, if not more so. If melee classes get a new epic weapon, they can start fucking up people's worlds; if a priest gets a new epic staff, they... have a new shiny stick that lets them cast one more heal and get a few more mana back per tick? I could go into the non-equivalence in +healing power compared to the +atk power gains from same-level epic gear, but this post has gotten long enough for now; the staff bit was just one small example.

12/2/2005 5:26:08 PM

Quote :

"m calling people like YOU a faggot because you think its some kind of dick measuring contest. I was in stonetallon a day or two ago with my 25 rogue and 3 alliance all at least 4 levels above me passed by. they all put their pvp tags on and were taunting me to do the same. what the fuck is cool about that? they sat there for over 5 minutes taunting me. I was eating some food so i sat there just to see how long they would stay. "

Shut the fuck up. Seriously. I leveled on Stormreaver just fine and that server had rabid Alliance. Yea I got ganked, Oh noes. Stop the fucking presses. I took 4 mins of my very busy wow schedule to walk to my corpse and be on my way!!!1

Quote :

" you may be some kind of fag that has 8 hours a day to spend griefing people like a fucking child or running your l33t inst4nces for you uber l3wt, but most of us dont have the time and prefer to spend it playing the game and not corpse running ourselves back to a town. faggot. "

Hey do you want a cookie to absorb the constant stream of pus from your inflated vag? I love how you called me a griefer and accused me of playing wow all day long as your only response to be a walking COUG. Hey man you're right. I bet its its a lot of fun sitting in Orgrimmar and making mooncloth robes for other people so they can go battle the mighty Skeletons of Dire Maul.

12/2/2005 5:26:11 PM

DM = phat hunter lewt city

pre-purplez of course

12/2/2005 5:34:03 PM

no more hate guys

^ transfer back to SR and help own these alliance. we need some quality horde on SR. heh

av and ab are up nearly 24/7 and world pvp is fun too. we just need some more quality horde

12/2/2005 5:35:27 PM

doh. that last past should have ^^* shaggy was too fast hah

12/2/2005 6:54:48 PM