So what does Vegas say about the odds of an assassination attempt when this takes place?

3/9/2018 2:37:10 PM

She said denuclearize.

This was obviously done spur of the moment with no planning input from State or DoD. They haven’t a clue. It’s not happening. I thought maybe last night it would, but it won’t.

3/9/2018 2:42:23 PM

Trump bout dat preconditions now hahaha

3/9/2018 6:33:33 PM

Quote :

"It’s such a delicate situation, plz to not fuck this up. "

Obviously none of us know Kim jong un, but we know he was educated in europe, he's been groomed since childhood to be a leader, he's likely extremely spoiled and entitled, but also likely has a decent amount of knowledge about history and politics.

Trump is not very well educated, and also extremely spoiled and entitled, and so far as president hasn't demonstrated knowledge about anything relevant, certainly not history or politics. Trump is a great bully though, he knows how to get under peoples' skin, he seems to get along well with other authoritarians but only because he is envious of their power.

KJU's goal will probably be to establish NK as a legitimate global contender and get sanctions dropped. Trump's goal is going to be making himself look good, which in the past has involved taking credit for anything, no matter how small, even if it means lying, that may only even be incidental to his existence.

Trump also seems to be getting more rash as Mueller's probe wears on and implicates more people close to trump.

We've heard about the transcripts Trump has had with the leader of Mexico trying to get them to pay for the wall, and his strategy seems to just be begging, and asking people to do him a personal favor after developing a rapport.

When he was talking to the leader of Australia, he got frustrated he couldn't talk australia out of sending us some refugees and just hung up the phone.

His business career pretty much up to now, he routinely makes promises to people that are non-binding to gain some short-term concession, then breaks those promises without a second thought.

So i think the most likely scenario is he badgers kim jong un, makes promises he doesn't intend to keep, get's some short-term concession, plays this up as a huge unprecedented win, and we go back to our lives.

The worst case is that he gets frustrated or humiliated, then pushes even harder for war with NK.

3/10/2018 2:56:30 AM

they already flip flopped on this, trump didn't realize that NK had always wanted to meet when he said yes and since trump isn't actually in control his handlers reversed this after he told SK to announce that he would meet

3/10/2018 7:55:31 AM

^ Saw that this morning, and had to do a double take to make sure I was reading it correctly.

Everybody read the mechanics of what happened:

White House: Never Mind the North Korea Meeting, Trump Was Just Babbling
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/03/never-mind-the-north-korea-meeting-trump-was-just-babbling.html

It's surreal, really. He has zero negative (false) knowledge of international geopolitical issues, and this is the best example of it so far IIRC.

A goddamn school play written and acted out by high schoolers is more well put together and watertight.

[Edited on March 10, 2018 at 5:29 PM. Reason : Feel bad for moron ^^ thinking up and typing all that out ]

3/10/2018 5:27:27 PM

the worst thing that can come out of this is the status quo. They don't want trump to meet because they are afraid he will pivot us policy and make peace. they don't want him to get that credit. now you have all the folks like pocahontas coming out saying we shouldn't be talking to north korea until they denuclearize which basically means we should never try to make peace.

3/10/2018 7:15:12 PM

the crowd is so electric you would think it was 10/16 again. i too thought it would die down once he was in office. these are people we don't identify with but they are a better representation of the actual country and they are delighted with all that has happened in the last year. you would never know it from just watching the news.

he's basically just talking about 2020 and staying hard on the press

Wow, he's even criticizing reagan on trade.

lmao he just revealed the 2020 slogan. "KAG"

[Edited on March 10, 2018 at 7:39 PM. Reason : "we used to be a nation of tarrifs"]

[Edited on March 10, 2018 at 7:40 PM. Reason : moon said "the olympics were a success because of presdient trump"]

3/10/2018 7:31:02 PM

how is it a better representation of the country? he lost the popular vote. I mean not by much but by definition he represents a minority of the country.

Quote :

"he's basically just talking about 2020 and staying hard on the press"

him getting such a headstart on fundraising and such is going to make him a formidable foe if he's not impeached or in jail by then

[Edited on March 10, 2018 at 8:19 PM. Reason : a]

3/10/2018 8:17:12 PM

we've been over this. popular vote means a lot of extra people on the west coast hate him.

3/10/2018 8:54:00 PM

http://www.businessinsider.com/2016-election-results-maps-population-adjusted-cartogram-2016-11

Uh, those extra people are Americans. You don't get to carve them out. He had fewer votes. He represents a minority of the country.

[Edited on March 10, 2018 at 9:26 PM. Reason : a]

3/10/2018 9:23:38 PM

Why are you playing dumb about this. I know you know how the country works and why we don't go by popular vote. Look, I hate the constitution to, but it is reality.

FTR, Trump won 60% of the states and 57% of the electors which represent an overwhelming majority of the country but not the majority of the total population. Again, I would love to have an independent California because I generally hate the US, but 4 million extra Californians voting for Clinton doesn't change the reality of what the country is or who it overwhelmingly elected to be its president.

3/10/2018 9:58:53 PM

When you talk about representing America, you're talking about representing the people. Fewer people voted for Trump. Trump is not a better representation of America. it's very simple arithmetic.

If you had 100 people and 60 of them wanted pizza while 40 wanted sandwiches, sandwich would not be a better representation of what people want for dinner.

I don't hate the Constitution.

Anyway, unrelated: https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/democracy/reports/2018/02/13/446576/cracking-the-shell/

3/10/2018 10:14:56 PM

Earl is trolling and not worth an argument but 538 actually put out a study that showed the most representative town/city in the country in terms of racial and social composition is actually New Haven, CT. Only remember it because I grew up 10 miles from there.

Rural PA and OH are NOT even close to representative of the country but Earl knows that.

[Edited on March 11, 2018 at 9:28 AM. Reason : Lol earl is calling Warren Pocahontas now. Time to stop responding to him guys]

3/11/2018 9:26:54 AM

Right, that's a geographical statement. There's no reason New Haven CT can't be a "representation of America" if it contains the same proportion of ethnic/racial/socio-economic diversity as the nation itself.

Saying Trump is a better representation of America would imply the majority of people are like him or think the way he does. That is not the case.

Probably right about the trolling, though.

[Edited on March 11, 2018 at 11:33 AM. Reason : a]

3/11/2018 11:33:32 AM

The country isn't dominated by or as dependent on agrarian industries as we used to be, and certain natural resources (like coal) are becoming less and less useful and not worth the risks of mining and cultivating.

Conservatives don't like change and don't want to admit the world has changed. Trump preys on their fears and was elected on a promise of taking us back to the way we used to be. That's what rural PA and OH represent.

3/11/2018 1:17:15 PM

Cherokee, I agree with everything you are saying and it is only a matter of semantics. Popular vote and majority of the population is just not how the country is defined in the constitution /context of electing a president. We don't have a direct presidential election. Part of that is because we are not a nation made up of people directly like your sandwich and pizza analogy. I agree with you on how it should be but we are nation consisting of a union of states. The states are made up of people who have direct elections but each state is winner take all and electors make up the country. Republic.

Trump has the majority of states and the states make up the nation. This is hidden from mainstream because the majority of the people are all concentrated along the coasts. This is why everyone else gets forgotten but still has a voice and also why trump was able to take advantage of them. They needed attention and he gave it to them. Pay attention to the types of cities his rallies are held in.

Quote :

"The Electoral College and its procedure is established in the U.S. Constitution by Article II, Section 1, Clauses 2 and 4; and the Twelfth Amendment (which replaced Clause 3 after its ratification in 1804). Under Clause 2, each of the states casts as many electoral votes as the total number of its Senators and Representatives in Congress, while, per the Twenty-third Amendment ratified in 1961, Washington, D.C. casts the same number of electoral votes as the least-represented state, which is three. Also under Clause 2, the manner for choosing electors is determined by each state legislature, not directly by the federal government. Many state legislatures previously selected their electors directly, but over time all of them switched to using the popular vote to help determine electors, which persists today. "

I hate it too. My ideal nation would have a direct election but I live in the US with the electoral college so I base discussion about the US on the principals detailed in this stupid document.

Quote :

"Earl is trolling and not worth an argument"

I don't know if you actually believe this or are being funny but either way, Its becoming a huge crutch for you to just throw this out anytime you don't like what you see and don't have the will to muster up an argument. Earl was on this site when I was in high school lol. Its believable that earl could have made you the same kind of uncomfortable since anything off-script is uncomfortable for you, but the idea that an ip address is unique to an individual is nonsense.

Quote :

": Lol earl is calling Warren Pocahontas now. Time to stop responding to him guys]"

Its a great nickname (aren't they all?) because liberals won't admit what she did was egregious and its a constant reminder. Its also a great metaphor for how democrats exploit minorities but aren't who they claim to be and are really just using them to get ahead and gain power. I don't know if you've heard, but she's refusing to take a DNA test so its time to unleash the heavy criticism.
http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/377812-warren-on-taking-dna-test-to-prove-native-american-heritage-i-know-who-i-am
A lot of people who fight the system were at standing rock with a lot of people who support the preservation of native american heritage. Warren has made a career out of claiming both but still wasn't there. People like this have to be called out every chance and a simple nickname is a really effective reminder.

The notion that everything trump says or does is bad is intellectually lazy even by these standards. He's a monster, but he makes a lot of great points. He was even shitting on reagan lastnight. I've never seen a republican do that. Reagan is only 2nd to Jesus.

[Edited on March 11, 2018 at 3:16 PM. Reason : she said she was native because her family has high cheekbones lmao foh]

3/11/2018 3:08:13 PM

So ousting Rex is a prelude to ending the Iran nuke deal right?

How weird is it if Iran gets nukes now but somehow NK ends up stalling their nuke program?

3/13/2018 3:43:31 PM

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/steve-goldstein-fired-trump-rex-tillerson-us-state-department-white-house-a8254151.html

3/13/2018 3:53:45 PM

lol, what a shit show

3/13/2018 3:57:47 PM

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2018/03/14/in-fundraising-speech-trump-says-he-made-up-facts-in-meeting-with-justin-trudeau/?utm_term=.95643ad5afcc

Now he literally admits he's a liar and doesn't care.

Quote :

"President Trump boasted in a fundraising speech Wednesday that he made up facts in a meeting with the leader of a top U.S ally, saying he insisted to Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau that the United States runs a trade deficit with its neighbor to the north without knowing whether or not that was the case. “Trudeau came to see me. He’s a good guy. Justin. He said ‘No, no, we have no trade deficit with you, we have none. Donald, please’” Trump said, mimicking Trudeau, according to audio obtained by The Washington Post. “Nice guy, good looking guy, comes in – ‘Donald we have no trade deficit.’ He’s very proud because everybody else, you know, we’re getting killed. ... “So he’s proud. I said, ‘Wrong Justin, you do.’ I didn’t even know. ... I had no idea. I just said ‘You’re wrong.’ You know why? Because we’re so stupid. … And I thought they were smart. I said, ‘You’re wrong Justin.’ He said, ‘Nope we have no trade deficit.’ I said, ‘Well in that case I feel differently,’ I said ‘but I don’t believe it.’ I sent one of our guys out, his guy, my guy, they went out, I said ‘check because I can’t believe it.’ ‘Well sir you’re actually right. We have no deficit but that doesn’t include energy and timber … And when you do we lose $17 billion a year.’ It’s incredible.” The United States trade representative office says the United States has a trade surplus with Canada."

Quote :

"Trump launched a blistering attack against major U.S. allies and global economies, accusing the European Union, China, Japan and South Korea of ripping off the United States for decades and pillaging the American workforce."

+1 for Russia.

Quote :

"He accused Japan of using gimmicks to deny U.S. auto companies access to their consumers, said South Korea was taking advantage of outdated trade rules even though its economy was strong, and said China had single-handedly rebuilt itself in the back of its trade surplus with the United States. “It’s the bowling ball test. They take a bowling ball from 20 feet up in the air and drop it on the hood of the car,” Trump said of Japan. “If the hood dents, the car doesn’t qualify. It’s horrible,” he said. It was unclear what he was talking about."

3/14/2018 11:59:14 PM

Trump Dating may end up with an actual Trump.

3/15/2018 8:22:37 PM

https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/house-democrats-say-they-have-proof-state-dept-staff-was-pushed-out-over-disloyalty-to-trump/2018/03/15/16f8fe1a-2884-11e8-b79d-f3d931db7f68_story.html?utm_term=.5aa8704bb018

Quote :

"Two top House Democrats said Thursday that they have proof the Trump administration engaged in an intentional effort to rid the State Department of career officials they suspected of being “disloyal” to President Trump, citing documents a whistleblower gave to the panel. The ranking Democrats on the House Foreign Affairs and Oversight and Government Reform committees sent a letter to White House Chief of Staff John F. Kelly and Deputy Secretary of State John Sullivan, writing that they received documents “indicating that high-level officials at the White House and State Department worked with a network of conservative activists to conduct a ‘cleaning’ of employees they believed were not sufficiently ‘supportive’ of President Trump’s agenda.”"

3/15/2018 10:18:40 PM

Am I the only one reading speculation that Don Jr.'s divorce may just be an attempt to shield assets from the special counsel investigation?

3/16/2018 10:23:35 AM

doubt it. charge her as a co conspirator or even under Rico and shed lose it anyway

3/16/2018 11:46:58 AM

^^How about...she's probably just as tired as the rest of us of the constant barrage of political BS. It is one investigation after another, one allegation after another. Being the daughter-in-law of president Trump has to suck some serious suck.

3/16/2018 11:56:38 AM

This has to be the most poorly run whitehouse in american history right? Definitely the worst in my lifetime; I can't think of any president since last century, including nixon, that would have been worse.

3/16/2018 11:57:09 AM

^https://news.vice.com/en_us/article/d35ggv/everyone-trump-has-fired-or-has-quit-the-white-house

3/16/2018 12:07:08 PM

I'm intrigued by this:

Quote :

"Senior White House person messages: "Something is going to happen today. I just don't think anyone knows what it is." Helpful but honest."

https://twitter.com/jdawsey1/status/974644773368803328

3/16/2018 1:22:14 PM

I'm looking for a better source but word is that Trump Jr.'s wife is also hiring a criminal defense attorney in addition to filing for divorce.

Perhaps the unknown thing from that Twitter post is an indictment against Trump Jr. today.

[Edited on March 16, 2018 at 3:38 PM. Reason : a]

3/16/2018 3:35:58 PM

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/mar/17/data-war-whistleblower-christopher-wylie-faceook-nix-bannon-trump

They weren't using a search engine, but Jesus Christ this is playing out like House Of Cards.

3/18/2018 10:04:44 AM

NOT CREDIBLE

3/19/2018 11:15:04 AM

^^so they were playing 5D chess all along?

[Edited on March 19, 2018 at 12:32 PM. Reason : the CA dimension]

3/19/2018 12:30:22 PM

5D mahjong

3/19/2018 12:31:00 PM

If you could draft a speech that takes all the worst and wrong policy ideas that have failed time and time again over multiple decades to combat drug abuse Trump has hit all the high notes today.

FFS, he’s talking about Duterte and death penalty one sentence and Nancy Reagan commercials the next.

3/19/2018 3:04:20 PM

I've stopped listening/reading/watching anything he says. This season of American fell off the rails a few months ago.

[Edited on March 19, 2018 at 4:13 PM. Reason : bad writing, terrible casting]

3/19/2018 4:08:59 PM

lol

3/19/2018 7:07:16 PM

Quote :

"Trump, telling reporters he will meet with Putin soon: "We've become very good friends over a very short period of time""

We are a large, highly educated country and we got literally the dumbest, easiest mark in the entire place to lead the country.

[Edited on March 20, 2018 at 12:28 PM. Reason : X]

3/20/2018 12:28:10 PM

Got busy at work but meant to circle back to this and say this quote was mixing two things. He was talking about the Crown Prince as a friend, not Putin (not that that is much greater but it is a major distinction).

3/20/2018 7:40:28 PM

DO NOT CONGRATULATE

3/21/2018 9:25:26 AM

Brace yourselves for the whataboutisms when it comes to Stormy Daniels and Trump, vs Bill Clinton.

I hate the word "whataboutism" though. We should be able to compare and contrast the situations in which the current president finds himself with past presidents, and how the two are treated differently.

How is an affair with a pornstar any better or worse than an affair with a WH intern? Just asking. We have no idea how many NDA's are out there with ol' Bill's name on it. I'm just curious why people are coming down so hard on the current affair.

The issue here however is going to be Trump's response. He is vehemently denying that an affair took place. If he would just own up to it, it would go away. Is the issue with the NDA itself? Are we somehow seeing this as a movement to silence women's voices?

3/22/2018 10:39:07 AM

as far as "Trump Stuff" the affair junk isn't even on my radar

it's crazy that's where we're at, ain't it?

3/22/2018 10:41:31 AM

Yes. I guess with Clinton, there weren't really any other distractions. Seemed to keep his head down and eyes on the ball.

I'm sure the talking heads at the time were doing their damnedest to get it ramped up. I know Hannity interviewed the ladies that claim he raped them. But there just wasn't enough there, and the rest of his presidency, as far as how well I can remember it, was pretty tame.

But getting worked up over an affair - complete with a 60 Minutes interview - of a known and admitted philanderer is just a waste of time.

3/22/2018 10:44:10 AM

there is a very good chance that they broke major campaign finance law by paying her off the way that they did

it’s also just another reason to never listen to evangelicals in politics ever again. they deserve to be shunned for the rest of their public lives.

3/22/2018 10:55:44 AM

^^^^the issue isn't the infidelity, it's the lying.

Clinton should have been impeached and removed from office over it.

Having said that, Clinton's motivation for lying is far different than Trump' s for any of his lying. So in that respect I don't judge Clinton. But in terms of lying as a President and doing so under oath, and also in terms of blackmail potential, he should have been removed from office.

^and of course there is the campaign finance laws issue with Trump as well

[Edited on March 22, 2018 at 11:21 AM. Reason : a]

3/22/2018 11:20:40 AM

^^I hope you aren't referring to Trump as an evangelical. Surely not. Now his evangelical followers - they should have known what they were getting into based on his past.

And I agree, the lying is troublesome, but still, par for the course.

3/22/2018 11:32:39 AM

why is not fair to refer to him as that, christians and evangelicals claim him as their own

3/22/2018 11:34:01 AM

Hey, if this DOJ is going to fire McCabe for lying, then they can't really pick and choose who they get rid of can they?

But I guess we need to know where to cross the line. Clinton's situation was somewhat official because the affair took place with a government employee, in a government building on government property. This particular affair (unless other details come to light) took place prior to the presidency. I don't think we should set a precedent of "well, it is blackmail material" because hell, anything could be blackmail material to the right group. If someone found out that Trump paid for an abortion that could be used as blackmail material against him for his evangelical crowd. But at the end of the day, that would be something that took place in his personal life. Should he have the option to lie about it?

3/22/2018 12:49:52 PM

Are you missing the part where Trump's associates used hush money to silence a hooker by funneling campaign funds a mere two weeks before the election? Because it's important.

3/22/2018 1:05:06 PM

I'm not missing it, but until someone can prove that is what happened, it's just a rumor.

The amount of money paid to her for an NDA was chump(trump) change compared to the money that Trump has. Certainly through shell companies, etc, he could have made her a deal that wouldn't be obvious to anybody as to where the money came from. Why chance it by using campaign funds? That just seems silly.

But maybe the whole shell company thing is just me watching too many movies and in real like you just can't do that mess.

3/22/2018 1:57:18 PM