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"MODERATOR: In your sermon, you said the government lied about inventing the HIV virus as a means of genocide against people of color. So I ask you: Do you honestly believe your statement and those words? WRIGHT: Have you read Horowitz’s book, “Emerging Viruses: AIDS and Ebola,” whoever wrote that question? Have you read “Medical Apartheid”? You’ve read it? (UNKNOWN): Do you honestly believe that (OFF-MIKE) WRIGHT: Oh, are you — is that one of the reporters? MODERATOR: No questions - (CROSSTALK) WRIGHT: No questions from the floor. I read different things. As I said to my members, if you haven’t read things, then you can’t — based on this Tuskegee experiment and based on what has happened to Africans in this country, I believe our government is capable of doing anything. In fact, in fact, in fact, one of the — one of the responses to what Saddam Hussein had in terms of biological warfare was a non- question, because all we had to do was check the sales records. We sold him those biological weapons that he was using against his own people. So any time a government can put together biological warfare to kill people, and then get angry when those people use what we sold them, yes, I believe we are capable. "

That is the quote in question. Not quite saying that the government invented AIDS, but that they are capable of it.

It's some crazy shit to say in a national press conference.

4/30/2008 2:29:36 PM

wow, that's ludicrisly fucked up

4/30/2008 2:34:47 PM

He also said, like many, that if we didnt find WMDs we would plant them in iraq.

4/30/2008 2:39:21 PM

but i know.. just like everything he says. it was taken out of context

my bad.

4/30/2008 2:39:43 PM

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"It's some crazy shit to say in a national press conference. "

Yeah, I didn't see the National Press Conference video, but that is a pretty crazy thing to say on national TV (although I don't think the gov. created AIDS, and the modern gov. wouldn't do something like that, I wouldn't be surprised to hear about other conspiracies the gov. has been involved in), and that appears to be what changed for Obama:
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080429/NEWS07/80429071/1009/NEWS07

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"I gave him the benefit of the doubt in my speech in Philadelphia explaining that he’s done enormous good. ... But when he states and then amplifies such ridiculous propositions as the U.S. government somehow being involved in AIDS. ... There are no excuses. They offended me. They rightly offend all Americans and they should be denounced."

^^ Obama didn't actually call Wright racist, but if believing that helps you realize Obama is not racist, then that's fine by me.

4/30/2008 2:42:30 PM

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" Sarijoul, do you really believe that obama really didnt know what rev wright was all about?"

no i don't

but i also think he was willing to leave it at his comments in philly (where he made clear he disagreed with many things that wright had said). I think that he felt a personal loyalty to him (because presumably he has meant a lot to obama for spiritual reasons). but when wright came out and basically called obama a liar, that was enough. the loyalty was trumped by a personal diss and political necessity.

4/30/2008 3:11:23 PM

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"then wright came back on the scene basically gave a big "fuck you" to obama in the form of the press club q&a. this gave obama a perfect political opportunity for obama to distance himself from wright basically give a big "fuck you" to wright"

4/30/2008 3:20:26 PM

whatever you want to call it.

4/30/2008 3:23:26 PM

i just enjoyed the humor of your spin on it, when in reality they were both throwing each other under the bus

"A man loots a store in New Orleans"..."A man finds food in New Orleans"

4/30/2008 3:27:22 PM

the difference is that wright initiated it. also, wright isn't running for elected office.

4/30/2008 3:33:26 PM

thanks for reminding me that wright isnt running for president, i wasnt aware of that

speaking of who initiated it though, they both clearly were at fault...unless wright forced obama to go to his church and to take him as the priest that married him and his wife, etc...did wright initiate that?

i wonder when obama really got the notion to run for president, because somebody on his campaign is pretty dumb not to anticipate all the wright shit and go ahead and distance obama from wright before this week

4/30/2008 3:37:21 PM

you would call obama's campaign stupid regardless of what they did, so it's pretty pointless to continue this.

4/30/2008 3:55:05 PM

^ you wouldn't care if obama was a lifetime member of alqaeda. it's obvious you'd still vote for him

4/30/2008 3:58:03 PM

right ok.

4/30/2008 4:04:45 PM

^^, ^^^ come on, Obama's judgement is still superior of the others running. All people can harp on is his fucking pastor! How about the judgement to take a stand against the war in Iraq - saying it would distract us from getting Bin Laden, would hurt our international standing, etc... when this position was unpopular? He was dead on too! Which do you think is more important?

[Edited on April 30, 2008 at 4:08 PM. Reason : ]

4/30/2008 4:07:57 PM

i disagree with that assesment of iraq. i think it in fact is going well and iraq will recover and be a great ally.

thus proving obama wrong in the ultimate long run.

4/30/2008 4:10:13 PM

lol

4/30/2008 4:10:35 PM

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"Obama's judgement is still superior of the others running"

well his campaign advisors must be inferior to the other candidates' since they didnt anticipate the shitstorm of the wright debacle...thats the type of thing i would imagine you'd brainstorm about early early early in the process and say "what is gonna happen with this guy, should we keep close ties, should we separate, what kind of ammo could come back to haunt us, etc"

4/30/2008 4:11:55 PM

^^i guess if you agree and think wright is "a cool guy" then you won't give 2 shits about those poor iraqi people either or their freedom or success anyways

4/30/2008 4:13:59 PM

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4/30/2008 4:18:58 PM

^^^ I think he's handled it pretty well - distancing in the beginning would have looked pretty sketch

^^ WTF are you talking about

4/30/2008 4:20:22 PM

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"well his campaign advisors must be inferior to the other candidates' since they didnt anticipate the shitstorm of the wright debacle...thats the type of thing i would imagine you'd brainstorm about early early early in the process and say "what is gonna happen with this guy, should we keep close ties, should we separate, what kind of ammo could come back to haunt us, etc""

It's not that his campaign advisers are inferior, it's that the media had an early Christmas with the gift of video that Wright offered them.

And Obama never brought Wright up on the campaign trail, Wright was brought to him. I don't know how much more distancing Obama could have done, unless he anticipated 20 years ago that in 2005 he was going to run for president. And Obama's already admitted a while ago he hasn't been in "regular" attendance of Wright's churches for a while.

4/30/2008 4:22:08 PM

^^why would distancing at the beginning look sketch? he'd probably already have the nomination won... what really looks sketch is originally praising the man and saying how important he's been throughout the last 20 years of his life, and then quickly distancing himself mid-campaign when something is controversial

^i just think SOMEBODY shouldve seen what kind of field day the media wouldve had...Obama didnt happen to mention to his campaign "yeah, uh you know my spiritual advisor? he kind of made some comments saying the us governmet created aids to kill blacks, and some other comments...is that gonna be a problem if those comments come into the news spotlight?"

4/30/2008 4:22:45 PM

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"but i also think he was willing to leave it at his comments in philly (where he made clear he disagreed with many things that wright had said). I think that he felt a personal loyalty to him (because presumably he has meant a lot to obama for spiritual reasons). but when wright came out and basically called obama a liar, that was enough. the loyalty was trumped by a personal diss and political necessity. "

Sarijoul. I see it going down that same way. What is still troubling about this scenerio, is basically Obama is ok with him insulting the country and preaching hate....but when it gets personal, THEN he stands up to him.

I do think, personally, that obama agrees with many inflamatory things Wright says. He cant or wont say them bc they would be political suicide. But Wrights views and his wife's comments seem to paint a clearer picture, which is much much different from his "one" america. imo

4/30/2008 4:26:41 PM

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"i just think SOMEBODY shouldve seen what kind of field day the media wouldve had...Obama didnt happen to mention to his campaign "yeah, uh you know my spiritual advisor? he kind of made some comments saying the us governmet created aids to kill blacks, and some other comments...is that gonna be a problem if those comments come into the news spotlight?""

Well, first, what would they have done? Because 3 years ago would have still encompassed 1 or 2 videos of wright being shown.

And secondly, doesn't the fact that they didn't maybe corroborate the idea that Wright didn't constantly "rant" about things, and instead preach (the vidoes of Wright on trinity's site should actually corroborate this idea)?

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"Sarijoul. I see it going down that same way. What is still troubling about this scenerio, is basically Obama is ok with him insulting the country and preaching hate....but when it gets personal, THEN he stands up to him."

Haha, do you come up with this yourself or is this what limbaugh has been saying? It seems the AIDS thing is what tipped Obama off more than anything, from what i've read so far.

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"I do think, personally, that obama agrees with many inflamatory things Wright says. "

I'm curious to know which things in particular you think Obama agrees with.

[Edited on April 30, 2008 at 4:28 PM. Reason : ]

4/30/2008 4:26:47 PM

i think you wouldnt have the same "spiritual advisor" for 20 years if you didnt agree with him a lot of the time

4/30/2008 4:33:17 PM

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"Haha, do you come up with this yourself or is this what limbaugh has been saying? It seems the AIDS thing is what tipped Obama off more than anything, from what i've read so far."

True to your name Moron. I suppose that Obama just heard the HIV thing yesterday too.

And Obama did call Wrights remarks racist.

4/30/2008 4:33:59 PM

^^Wright said he was NEVER Obama's "Spiritual Advisor"

And Obama just refered to Wright as his "Pastor"

they "Pray" and shit!



[Edited on April 30, 2008 at 4:35 PM. Reason : ]

4/30/2008 4:34:26 PM

people say Bush is a bad president for staying in Iraq even when theres no hope

Hillary stayed with her husband after being ridiculed and cheated on in front of the entire country basically

and it takes Obama 20 years to figure out that his spiritual advisor is crazy

bunch of real winners in our government

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"Wright said he was NEVER Obama's "Spiritual Advisor" And Obama just refered to Wright as his "Pastor""

of course, cause now obama is trying to distance himself...Wright is no longer his spiritual advisor, he's merely his pastor

but how could Wright say he isnt somebody's spiritual advisor? if i go to your church, and you're the preacher, and i choose for you to lead me spiritually, how can the preacher then say with certainty that he is or isnt anybody else's spiritual advisor?

[Edited on April 30, 2008 at 4:37 PM. Reason : .]

4/30/2008 4:35:36 PM

I'd say my mother is my spiritual advisor, not any priest, bishop, or pope

4/30/2008 4:52:14 PM

that's not all I'd say about your mother terpy

4/30/2008 5:05:21 PM

^lol

^^cool, thats you...maybe if obama had done the same thing he wouldnt be in this mess

4/30/2008 5:10:56 PM

Well, I went to church too - and I'm Catholic - you can imagine the amount of shit i'd hear, sometimes have to act like I agreed with, but really didn't.

I think LOTS of people are like this, Obama seems like one of those people. All a church really has to do is provide you with somewhere to worship. I wouldn't be any different if I went to Trinity

4/30/2008 5:13:36 PM

i dont blame anybody for having their pastor marry them...that seems kind of intuitive if you go to church to get someone you know to marry you instead of a "random" priest

but it seems obama was more than just a member of the church...that he was closer to his pastor than some people who go to church...which is fine...unless you have aspirations of being president, when your entire life gets put under a microscope by the media...it gets worse and worse every election cycle

The Media: fucking up our country all the time

i guess maybe campaign advisors are having a tough time keeping up

[Edited on April 30, 2008 at 5:21 PM. Reason : .]

4/30/2008 5:20:30 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-C9bkuJliMY

4/30/2008 6:52:23 PM

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"I suppose that Obama just heard the HIV thing yesterday too. "

Other than in the video, it's when we all heard the HIV thing.

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"And Obama did call Wrights remarks racist."

Where?

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"i think you wouldnt have the same "spiritual advisor" for 20 years if you didnt agree with him a lot of the time "

This is a pretty broad, generalized statement to make. There are many, many, many reasons why someone keeps a "friend" for 20 years. As Newt Gingrich said, they have a complex relationship.

Honestly, it seems that the real reason you're making a big deal out of this is because you don't have jack shit on Obama and you're just grasping at straws.

[Edited on April 30, 2008 at 9:21 PM. Reason : ]

4/30/2008 9:15:20 PM

Moron, really. You just heard about the HIV thing yesterday? Not like a month ago?

Obama called the remarks racist today. I heard an interview on the radio, It will probably be in tommorrows press.


"Obama's public denunciation of the retired pastor stands in stark contrast to a speech on race the candidate delivered just last month. "

I love that some of the media is calling this for what it is.

Honestly, has ANYONE here been to a church where the preacher discussed politics? I have never ONCE heard of such a thing.

4/30/2008 11:01:36 PM

churches discuss homosexuality, racism,abortion and poverty all the time

[Edited on April 30, 2008 at 11:40 PM. Reason : +p]

4/30/2008 11:40:05 PM

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"Moron, really. You just heard about the HIV thing yesterday? Not like a month ago? Obama called the remarks racist today. I heard an interview on the radio, It will probably be in tommorrows press. "

What HIV thing are you talking about? It has only been in the past 2 days that Wright was questioned about them and had to respond to it.

And this is what Obama had to say about it:

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" But when he states and then amplifies such ridiculous propositions as the U.S. government somehow being involved in AIDS"

Note he didn't accuse Wright of believing that, only "amplifying the proposition" that the gov. may have done it.

I wonder though, since you seem to have a new-found appreciation for Obama's words, do you now acknowledge that he's not actually a racist?

5/1/2008 12:22:47 AM

This guy is awesome. Obama is tanking

5/3/2008 1:13:28 PM

Hahaha....moron just keeps spinning and spinning and spinning....

5/3/2008 2:55:11 PM

Do the right thing and shut up, Lee urges pastor

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"Director Spike Lee has waded into the ongoing controversy surrounding Jeremiah Wright, the Chicago pastor whose provocative statements have proved a thorn in the side of Democrat frontrunner Barack Obama. Lee advises the preacher to do the right thing and keep quiet. 'The more he opens his mouth, the more damage he does,' he told the Guardian yesterday. For good measure, Lee hinted at a political conspiracy behind Wright's recent, contentious attempts to justify his remarks. 'It looks like he's being paid to keep talking,' he said."

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"'Jeremiah Wight needs to be quiet,' Lee said yesterday. 'If he loves Obama he needs to shut up right now. It makes me question his motives for talking. I'm starting to wonder whether somebody has been contributing to the building funds of his church. Seriously.'"

http://film.guardian.co.uk/news/story/0,,2277229,00.html

Ha-ha! Spike says shut up, Reverend Wrong! I love it.

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"Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me."

Mark 10:21

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark%2010:21-27&version=9

[Edited on May 3, 2008 at 6:10 PM. Reason : .]

5/3/2008 5:59:11 PM

That's funny coming from Spike Lee, another guy that doesn't know when to keep his mouth shut.

5/3/2008 8:32:07 PM

Maybe all blacks should just keep their mouths shut.

5/3/2008 9:05:48 PM

Haha, Spike Lee referenced his own work.

5/3/2008 11:22:44 PM

Why is this Wright guy still news?

5/4/2008 12:51:57 AM

According to confirmed nutball Reverend Wrong, blacks learn with a different part of their brains than whites. You know, I recall that the eugenics' crowd, Nazis, and the like used the same garbage to further their arguments.

Oh, and Reverend Wrong also stated that black students like to climb on things in class. GG.

(Around 4:30 in the "Part Two" video)

http://www.hiphopmusic.com/2008/04/rev_wright_naacp_speech_video.html

And there's this--yes, this nutball's still making news:

Northwestern Univ. cancels honorary degree for Rev. Wright

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"Saying that 'in light of the controversy around Dr. Wright and to ensure that the celebratory character of commencement not be affected,' Northwestern University confirmed this afternoon that it has withdrawn an honorary degree that it had planned to give to Rev. Jeremiah Wright next month."

http://blogs.usatoday.com/onpolitics/2008/05/northwestern-un.html

Folks are finally realizing that this fuckhead is radioactive.

5/4/2008 7:46:08 AM

i said it a week ago, when it started happening.

it almost seems as if he's being paid to run his mouth. the only other possible reason is that he's stupid.

i could be wrong, but i don't think he's stupid.




[Edited on May 5, 2008 at 3:54 AM. Reason : ]

5/5/2008 3:53:24 AM

^ kooksaw is rehashing info from page 1 of this thread there.

I think Wright is just someone who wasn't use to getting a lot of attention, who all of a sudden became infamous, and didn't know how to react. It's like people who win the lottery.

5/5/2008 11:21:30 AM

I personally don't think Wright's current round in the news has anything to do with his relationship for Obama.

Wright is very much his own man and I don't think it's about politics for him. I think it's very personal. I'm sure he realizes that him getting back in the news might hurt Obama. At the same time, he wants to explain himself and his remarks. I don't know whether he is doing it out of concern for his church or because he's pissed that he's the butt of a national media joke (at times it seems like both), but I don't he's really concerned about Obama's poll numbers.

Really, I think I understand Wright better after he made the round explaining himself. I think he seems like an animated and descent person that probably doesn't deserve the treatment he's recieved from the pundits. At the same time, I disagree with most everything he says that relates to politics and race. And I think the fact that he is Obama's pastor is certainly relevant information for evaluating Obama's background and judgement.

Now, I don't think Obama is actually a paranoid radical like Wright. Instead, I think Obama's decision to attend Wright's church was totally political. Someone else said it best: "Before Obama was a half-black man running for President of a largely white country, he was a half-white man running for Congress in a largely black district." I think this fits much better with Obama's history of scrambling for ever-higher public office than the idea that he actually agrees with Wright. And I think that says more about Obama thant Wright could ever say.

5/5/2008 1:31:58 PM