GingaNinja All American 7177 Posts user info edit post |
Im not laughing AT them, just the fact that we're so sure how College kids' careers pan out. hit or miss really 3/31/2014 2:47:21 PM |
death cab Veteran 266 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "PG in college is more about who you can guard than what you can do offensively. Tyler is a good, not great, offensive player but is completely over-matched at this level on defense. We can't hide him at all, at least not against any team with a pair of ACC-caliber starting guards. He was always going to come off the bench if there was a better option available. Honestly, of all the transfers under Gott, this one makes the most sense for purely basketball reasons.
With all that said, it still hurts, and his ball handling, basketball IQ, and highlight reels plays will be missed. If he would have accepted the backup roll, he could have become invaluable as experienced relief off the bench, especially while protecting a lead near the end of games." |
^^ exactly
[Edited on March 31, 2014 at 3:21 PM. Reason : .]3/31/2014 3:20:15 PM |
NyM410 J-E-T-S 50085 Posts user info edit post |
I completely disagree about PG play. It's insanely important. It's not exactly rocket science to see why UK is winning now despite no increase in production from a guy like Randle. It's all about Harrison's growth.
Duke won every game that Quinn Cook actually showed up too.
UConn has won a title and made a Final Four almost exclusively due to PG play.
** almost invariably title winners have two things. A great PG and tough team defense.
[Edited on March 31, 2014 at 3:45 PM. Reason : Z] 3/31/2014 3:44:23 PM |
BigT716 All American 3458 Posts user info edit post |
Jason Williams was the main reason Duke was Duke a decade+ ago. 3/31/2014 5:32:11 PM |
Johnny Swank All American 1889 Posts user info edit post |
Both those guys had a reliable 3pt shot. Lewis doesn't. 3/31/2014 6:15:57 PM |
Prawn Star All American 7643 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Duke won every game that Quinn Cook actually showed up too." |
Duke lost the best game of Cook's career against Mercer.3/31/2014 6:17:47 PM |
afripino All American 11422 Posts user info edit post |
appreciation retracted 4/1/2014 9:04:49 AM |
NyM410 J-E-T-S 50085 Posts user info edit post |
^^ meh, I was away so I didn't see that game. Larger point is still accurate. Locally look at the transformation of UNC after Drew left and KM took over. 4/1/2014 9:07:24 AM |
Fry The Stubby 7784 Posts user info edit post |
welp, lock it up 4/1/2014 9:25:24 AM |
face All American 8503 Posts user info edit post |
It's for the best that he transferred. He was a desperation recruit that never panned out. He needs to find a conference that fits his level of size/skills. He'd be a nice fit at a mid major where he isn't such a liability in transition defense and on loose balls/long rebounds. 4/1/2014 10:56:24 AM |
justinh524 Sprots Talk Mod 27824 Posts user info edit post |
he was better in transition defense than barber. true fact. barber lost his man in transition constantly. honestly, it's probably the worst part of his game (besides tripping over his own feet while dribbling). 4/1/2014 11:01:30 AM |
face All American 8503 Posts user info edit post |
Yeah just having tyler back on defense is like having no one rotate back. The constant dunksand layups off long rrebounds just wreak havoc when trying to be competitive with college level teams 4/1/2014 1:06:05 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148436 Posts user info edit post |
He had a legit butterstick 4/1/2014 1:07:05 PM |
Jrb599 All American 8846 Posts user info edit post |
And a legit mcelbow 4/1/2014 1:24:54 PM |
Bullet All American 28404 Posts user info edit post |
To Butler. Best of luck to him. 4/4/2014 7:38:08 PM |
ncstatetke All American 41128 Posts user info edit post |
wow Butler is the last place I thought he'd go
that program is in shambles right now 4/4/2014 7:43:26 PM |
Bullet All American 28404 Posts user info edit post |
I was hoping for Charlotte: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2014/04/03/4814702/ex-nc-state-point-guard-tyler.html 4/4/2014 7:45:02 PM |
wilso All American 14657 Posts user info edit post |
surely Butler wasn't his best option
Brad Stevens isn't walking through that door 4/4/2014 8:20:17 PM |
CuntPunter Veteran 429 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "barber lost his man in transition constantly" |
That last minute or so when St Louis was on the break he was guarding literally no one and his man dropped the three on us to tie the game.4/4/2014 8:50:45 PM |
tailsock Suspended 1616 Posts user info edit post |
well his ears will only continue to grow at this rate... 4/4/2014 9:02:41 PM |
BanjoMan All American 9609 Posts user info edit post |
So lemme just ask this cause it is on my mind: why is it that a guy like Tyler Lewis can't hack it in the ACC but somebody like Stocton killed it in the NBA? Is it the era that they played in, or are there fundamental skill set differences? 4/5/2014 6:23:08 AM |
face All American 8503 Posts user info edit post |
Stockton was an underrated athlete. He wasn't an explosive jumper or anything. But you don't become the all time leader in steals and assists without some serious quickness and agility.
Plus he was significantly taller than lewis.
Lewis has skill and a great head for the game. He's just too short and too limited athletically for his driving game to work and he's not a natural shooter. I think with a year off and not having to hit the weights so hard you'll see him start shooting a reasonable percentage from the floor. 4/5/2014 7:13:19 AM |
jbrick83 All American 23447 Posts user info edit post |
Stockton was a really quick dude. He was also a little taller and leaner. Lewis is shorter and a little "stouter/stumpier" than Stockton. He'll never be quick or fast enough to hack it in the NBA.
It sucks...because he really does have phenomenal passing ability and point guard "instincts". I also think he could have been a solid starting point guard in the ACC if he could become a more consistent shooter. 4/5/2014 8:43:05 AM |
laxman490 All American 2385 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "That last minute or so when St Louis was on the break he was guarding literally no one and his man dropped the three on us to tie the game." |
I remember that. He actually tried to make the right play. Him and nard switched guys and cat tried to switch back, but nard just stood there. That one is not on cat.
Lewis was too slow and couldn't guard the perimeter. So many blow bys that cause the whole defense to rotate and get out of position.4/5/2014 11:10:59 AM |
packboozie All American 17452 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | " But you don't become the all time leader in steals and assists without some serious quickness and agility. " |
John Stockton was 4 inches taller and much quicker than TL. Plus he was dirty in a good way.
You just compared TL to one of the best pure PGs ever.4/5/2014 4:48:29 PM |
jbrick83 All American 23447 Posts user info edit post |
BUT HE'S WHITE!!!!! 4/5/2014 5:03:55 PM |
skokiaan All American 26447 Posts user info edit post |
John Stockon has the white man's burden of being compared to all other future white point guards. 4/6/2014 12:36:56 AM |
OopsPowSrprs All American 8383 Posts user info edit post |
I don't understand why Rodney Purvis wasn't Michael Jordan, being black and all. 4/6/2014 12:44:19 AM |
skaterjaws All American 1492 Posts user info edit post |
LOL John Stockton is 6ft 1....I love how people always point to me being tall and I should have played basketball...bitch I am 6ft 3 and normally would be one of the 3 shortest on any team. 4/6/2014 2:09:34 AM |
Bullet All American 28404 Posts user info edit post |
The offseason!
http://butlerhoops.com/blog/tyler-lewis-the-future-of-butler-basketball/
Quote : | "Tyler Lewis is the best pure point guard I have ever seen.
Bold? Absolutely. Unfounded? Maybe not." |
I wish him the best and am sure he will have success at Butler, but I think we kept the better one.9/30/2014 11:09:16 AM |
synapse play so hard 60935 Posts user info edit post |
That guy lost all credibility right out of the gate. 9/30/2014 11:23:17 AM |
wolfpack2105 All American 12428 Posts user info edit post |
no offense to lewis, but if hes the future of any team, they're in trouble. 9/30/2014 12:40:11 PM |
DDDirtydirty All American 3020 Posts user info edit post |
"Looking at his stats from his time at NC State, you would think that Lewis was not a very good shooter.
Nothing could be further from the truth.
He isn’t just an average shooter, he is a great one. Based off the system that was run at his former school, Tyler was not given the opportunity to shoot the ball freely."
LULZ 9/30/2014 6:14:34 PM |
stateredneck All American 2966 Posts user info edit post |
The entire time he was here I never knew he could get to the basket with ease. 9/30/2014 6:20:39 PM |
BanjoMan All American 9609 Posts user info edit post |
I think that the ACC was just too soon for him; the dude needed a consistent shot that just was not there. BUT, in terms of unbelievable passes, he was an ace no doubt. He could use this year off to develop his shot and turn into a very decent player... or not. 9/30/2014 6:43:00 PM |
hey now Indianapolis Jones 14975 Posts user info edit post |
Was absolutely worthless vs teams that could pressure the ball via man to man. Effective vs teams that played zone or packed their man to man inside. Crazy how his much value changed depending on the opposition. 9/30/2014 6:47:20 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148436 Posts user info edit post |
He's going to be just as good as he was in high school. He just needed a fresh start. 9/30/2014 7:26:14 PM |
dmspack oh we back 25500 Posts user info edit post |
I wish him all the luck in the world. But...
Quote : | "Tyler Lewis is the best pure point guard I have ever seen.
Bold? Absolutely. Unfounded? Maybe not" |
Nah, bruh.9/30/2014 8:12:58 PM |
fenway All American 3135 Posts user info edit post |
Even with how small he is and his defensive issues, if he could've shot just a decent percentage from 3 I think he would've been above average ACC point guard. When you're that small and not overly quick, you have to be able to knock down some kind of jump shot. 9/30/2014 8:20:51 PM |
synapse play so hard 60935 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "no offense to lewis, but if hes the future of any team, they're in trouble." |
9/30/2014 8:31:09 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148436 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "no offense to lewis" |
more like no defense from lewis, amirite?9/30/2014 8:59:43 PM |
GingaNinja All American 7177 Posts user info edit post |
^ Haha 9/30/2014 9:01:33 PM |
Sandman All American 1215 Posts user info edit post |
Ibtl 9/30/2014 10:30:41 PM |
synapse play so hard 60935 Posts user info edit post |
Naw we can still appreciate the dude. 9/30/2014 10:35:23 PM |
gunzz IS NÚMERO UNO 68205 Posts user info edit post |
I'm glad someone finally took the pack pride reposting job away from me 10/1/2014 9:40:51 AM |
face All American 8503 Posts user info edit post |
Lol at anyone calling a guy who makes 36% in practice a GREAT shooter.
If you cant hit 50% in practice you shouldn't even take that shot in a game.
Ray Allen probably shoots close to 70% in practice. In his warmup routine even higher.
[Edited on October 2, 2014 at 11:35 AM. Reason : a] 10/2/2014 11:35:00 AM |
justinh524 Sprots Talk Mod 27824 Posts user info edit post |
not practice. pickup games. 10/2/2014 11:42:12 AM |
simonn best gottfriend 28968 Posts user info edit post |
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/11628640/butler-bulldogs-coach-brandon-miller-takes-leave-absence
oops 10/3/2014 12:26:05 AM |
laxman490 All American 2385 Posts user info edit post |
finally got that win over UNC
[Edited on November 26, 2014 at 2:30 PM. Reason : d] 11/26/2014 2:30:48 PM |
tower All American 12280 Posts user info edit post |
plays the purvis cuckold role in a unc loss on the same day state picks up a nice win
appreciated 11/26/2014 8:59:45 PM |