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no way is that as doable with a pug on most servers.
unless everyone in the pug has completed ZG before and understands how everything works (which is not a large percentage..if hardly at all if youre not in a guild that runs it) theres no way youd get through the entire thing in one run. and no way youd be able to get the same pickup group again probably to run the instance before it reset.

and unless you run quite a few of the bosses not everyone in the group will benefit.

also youre looking at once instance with different things dropping for every class. the chance of something dropping that you could use isnt any better than the other instances, plus youll probably be rolling against a few extra people.

PS (teh toch beat me to it)
but hes right. id bet money that youd have a problem on 90% of the servers out there running ZG with a pickup group. Heck ZERO pickup groups even attempt it on our server, and i didnt even no any pugs still attempted that on any server's forums ive browsed.

the closest to a pug running zg i know of is a "coalition" of several guilds, in which case, altho it may be 4 or 5 guilds, its still a coordinated balanced event/group using vent

but the main point is ZG is definitely not very PUG doable. now some of you on here in an uber guild who have been farming it for quite awhile probably think its easy. but even a lot of guilds havent beaten the whole thing yet.

this instance just requires too much organization for a PUG to do. the guild im joining farms mc and onyxia on a weekly basis and is up to Hakkar now. now granite they havent put a ton of time into it, but a pug would have a problem

just my $.02

the 20 man ahn qiraj will be nice tho. im really looking forward to both of those instances (the 40 and 20 man)



[Edited on December 18, 2005 at 3:32 PM. Reason : ]

12/18/2005 3:22:07 PM

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"You cannot effectively run ZG with a pickup group."

Nocturn: PUG with Vent

Quote :

"Heinous\Mangle - Druid/60 Priest"

Don't forget Chat (60 Mage) and Hurf (60 Shaman)

I RUN THESE LEVEL 60 STREETS

12/18/2005 5:10:20 PM

Varsh - 60 druid

12/18/2005 5:36:12 PM

RIP VARSH

GO FORTH SNAIL

12/18/2005 5:41:12 PM

Updated Mal'Ganis list:

ViciousHefe - 60 shaman
Nerd - 60 warrior
Nerual - 60 druid
Bravestarr - 60 warrior
Heinous\Mangle\Chat\Hurf - 60 Druid\Priest\Mage\Shaman
Vermithrax - 60 priest
Demitrius - 60 warlock
Golovko\Smit - 60 hunter\6 Shaman
Kesuke - 60 rogue
Varsh - 60 druid
Vixdean - 60 mage
Duhbs - 60 Shaman
Kayle - 18 Priest

That is a lot of NC people

[Edited on December 18, 2005 at 6:37 PM. Reason : .]

12/18/2005 6:12:17 PM

kayle's a priest actually. got two of my friends playin, one of em's on tww. they are both tauren's but i dont know what class. but they are NC and on mal'ganis.

12/18/2005 6:23:37 PM

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"haha. all you people getting excited about your blue drops are funny"

youre a fucking loser.

12/18/2005 8:29:53 PM

I had more fun getting my level 60 blue set, especially my first piece, than any purple from MC or BWL. It is the first time you can get gear that will actualy last for a long time so I thought it was pretty cool.

[Edited on December 18, 2005 at 8:40 PM. Reason : .]

12/18/2005 8:40:19 PM

^^^

Duhbs is a Warrior, I think. Dubs is a Shaman. Same guy all the same.

Kiaria is a 60 Priest
Marcelus used to go to State (60 Druid)
Makino is a low level Druid

12/18/2005 8:48:31 PM

Don't forget:

Garybusey - 14 Warrior
Goldfarmer - 16 Rogue

[Edited on December 18, 2005 at 9:58 PM. Reason : ]

12/18/2005 9:57:57 PM

rotoryracer - Marcelus/Xinder/Sheerah - 60 druid/ 60 mage/ 31 shaman
me - Kesuke/Slaughter/Azaka - 60 rogue/ 60 warrior/ 34 druid

12/18/2005 10:01:30 PM

more nc people:

Schlo - 60 Mage
Freez - 60 Priest
Dranklin - 60 Shaman
Fooboojoo - 60 Rogue

12/18/2005 10:27:59 PM

I had a +22 int enchant on Rod of Ogre Magi or some shit like that for awhile. If you can afford it and you aren't going to get anything better, then why not go for an enchant?

I also wouldn't put down blue sets. Certain blue sets have more usefull stats then their epic counterparts (hahahaha mages).

12/18/2005 11:13:28 PM

ghaaaay i got a green santa hat on my alt. why couldnt it be my main

12/18/2005 11:18:37 PM

i think the general opinion is that ZG is harder than MC, because it has a smaller margin of error with 20 people; everyone has to be on point, whereas a couple people out of 40 slacking doesn't make much difference in MC.

12/19/2005 12:23:47 AM

I think MC is harder then ZG. Only Hexxar and the Panther boss are really tricky in ZG with the tiger boss being tough sometimes, and easy others. I definitely like the bosses in ZG more because they are way more creative then MC, but they aren't exactly 'harder'. You have a much better chance of wiping to trash shit in MC with one goofball hunter not paying attention then you do in ZG.

12/19/2005 1:34:54 AM

MC is a snorefest everytime I do it. I just autofollow between bosses.

12/19/2005 3:37:14 AM

thats what i did last time on the way to ragnaros

i autofollowed nerual (davidkunttu) through the whole place lol

12/19/2005 8:14:27 AM

I am glad my guild doesn't put up with any BS like people autofollowing in MC. Everyone is much better off if you just focus hard in MC and finish it in 2-3 hours.

12/19/2005 10:52:38 AM

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"I had more fun getting my level 60 blue set, especially my first piece, than any purple from MC or BWL. It is the first time you can get gear that will actualy last for a long time so I thought it was pretty cool."

I think this is true. I did get my first tier 2 set piece sat. though. Mantle of Prophecy dropped off of Sulf., and I managed to outroll the other priests for it. However I don't think I'll be rocking it for a while till I get some more set pieces seeing as to how I like my full devout set right now.

12/19/2005 10:56:55 AM

^ Just a minor correction. Prophecy is your Tier1 with Trans being your Tier2. The Devout set is just Rare I believe.

12/19/2005 10:59:04 AM

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5430343841227974645&q=the+internet+is+for+porn


haha dunno if its been posted but our guild leader posted it on our forums...funniest shit ever

12/19/2005 12:06:58 PM

I'm with Teh_toch.

I don't like people autofollowing and screwing around in MC and I used to do it all the time. I'd rather finish the instance in four-five hours then 6-7 because idiots are dicking around and not paying attention.

As for teir 1 2 3, it depends on how you label.

Some people call the blues teir 1, epic MC teir 2, and BWL teir 3.

I actually don't think Blizzard is going in that direction anymore since the AQ loot isn't exactly BWL loot + 10 all stats and I also wouldn't qualify them as "end game" sets since the end game is nowhere near us right now.

12/19/2005 2:00:31 PM

http://wowjesusshaman.ytmnd.com/

12/19/2005 2:22:03 PM

http://www.immortalisguild.org

also play horde on shadow council.. the pvp is remarkably large there :x

[Edited on December 19, 2005 at 9:43 PM. Reason : asfd]

12/19/2005 9:41:43 PM

Quote :

"I am glad my guild doesn't put up with any BS like people autofollowing in MC. Everyone is much better off if you just focus hard in MC and finish it in 2-3 hours."

What are you supposed to do when you're a priest and your group members never lose any health because the main tank is the one taking all the damage? My "DPS" (hahahah) as a holy/disc priest isn't going to make much of a difference in the fight, maybe the mob will die 2 seconds earlier. The only time I even have to remotely look at the screen is during a core hound fight.

Quote :

"http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5430343841227974645&q=the+internet+is+for+porn haha dunno if its been posted but our guild leader posted it on our forums...funniest shit ever"

Yes, I posted that about 1 or 2 pages back.

Quote :

"http://wowjesusshaman.ytmnd.com/"

Priests can water walk as well with levitate. Probably mages also with slow fall.

12/19/2005 10:43:20 PM

are there people on here in Elitist Jerks? someone mentioned them in guild chat today and the name sounded familiar, but i dont feel like digging through 114 pages to find out. just wondering out of sheer curiosity.

[Edited on December 20, 2005 at 4:41 AM. Reason : ]

12/20/2005 4:31:03 AM

^ no

^^ If you have no one to heal then your hunters are not pulling fast enough. The entire time you are in MC you should wish everyone would slow down enough so you could have time to actually drink back a full mana bar.

Also you don't really need healing assignments in MC if you have it down to farm status and have been doing it awhile. The whole not healing outside your group really only applies in 10-15 man raids where you have more than one priest and someone gets angsty. In MC, you should be pulling at a rate that has enough people taking damage that every priest/druid/shaman is busy doing something.

[Edited on December 20, 2005 at 6:33 AM. Reason : .]

12/20/2005 6:27:52 AM

We pull 1 mob at a time, down it, move onto the next one. I mean, come on....

1 main tank, 8 preists, 8 shamans, 4-5 druids.... if I auto follow it isn't going to mean shit of a difference.

12/20/2005 7:05:59 AM

8 priests, 8 shammys and 4-5 druids? Hell we do it with like 2-3 priests, 6 shaman and 3-4 druids no prob through golemagg at least, no wonder its boring probably takes forever to down a mob with so many healers.

12/20/2005 7:41:34 AM

lol

12/20/2005 12:53:25 PM

You can't ever have too many healers. That's probably why we downed Ragnaros on our first try.

12/20/2005 3:00:33 PM

so ok I started back on my druid that i started a looong time ago. She is 16 now and im not sure how to play her

I am not a huge fan of the feral stuff and I am kind of leaning towards balance/whatever the healing stuff is called. Are there popular builds with these two trees or do druids need the feral to be effective?

12/20/2005 3:10:01 PM

Leveling as a feral/balance druid is awesome. Cat form makes up for all the damage you don't do in caster form and becomes awesome at 32. Bear form (and the buffs for it through the feral tree) lets you solo higher level mobs with ease.

If you're a Tauren it takes an absolute clusterfuck (like three mobs all 3 levels higher than you) to even come close to dying, unless you fuck up.

12/20/2005 3:53:33 PM

My problem is that every time I start a class and play up to about lvl 20 with them, I get interested in another class and want to try it out.

12/20/2005 4:56:35 PM

^ So eventually you'll have characters for all the classes and you can get to work on leveling them all. I know folks who play through their rested XP for on character and then switch to another when it runs out.

12/20/2005 5:48:15 PM

12/21/2005 10:07:56 AM

hehe

12/21/2005 10:15:17 AM

Matsu- 25 Troll Hunter

12/21/2005 12:51:55 PM

what server?

12/21/2005 4:22:43 PM

dude a +20 FR cloak would be like 200 gold on Stormscale

12/21/2005 5:57:05 PM

I got a lvl 59 ring with +21 nature resist on it, so I'm hoping that nature resist will be the new fire resist soon, with the new AQ instances.

12/21/2005 6:25:41 PM

12/21/2005 10:49:34 PM

missed you in boone porcha
the bar just wasnt the same
glad to see you downed a mighty dragon !

12/21/2005 10:51:54 PM

niiiice. /ginvite nerual.

12/21/2005 11:31:05 PM

add me to the Mal'Ganis list...

Prill - 11 Undead Priest

12/22/2005 1:01:03 AM

So when do you think they're going to fix the Wind Rider / Snowball teleport "bug"

12/22/2005 4:39:09 AM

12/22/2005 4:53:19 AM

I'm coming to Mal'Ganis and rolling Horde. Who do I get an invite from?

12/22/2005 9:13:11 AM

roll alliance on malganis.

12/22/2005 10:12:43 AM