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4/20/2005 5:13:19 AM

Bikehelmetguy, are these stairwells inside? You said there were breezeways too, so I am assuming no. Have fun trying to chop up the bottom stairs while you have zombies coming at you from all sides. At least in UT, the doors can be locked and a few tables/chairs can be thrown in front of them while more permanent barricades are a erected and zombies that are already inside are killed. Oh yeah, and you can't appoint yourself the the survivor group. btw, why would all the girls in UT go psycho/run away but all the girl in your apt complex wouldn't?

4/20/2005 8:22:02 AM

Look, we've been over this before, with the sausagefest. The men will either:

a) Call dibs on women already in the survivor group,
b) Grab two women on the way over here that they can see themselves fucking for a while
c) Claim two women in UT
d) Plan ahead and talk to two women now about what will happen in the event of a zombie attack

Yes, we will probably have to deal with some people panicking -- but I don't think it's gonna be as bad as you're making it out to be. Anyone who's just completely useless in their terror can be locked up until they calm down, and they will calm down.

4/20/2005 1:38:41 PM

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"The latency period between initial infection and outright zombification isn't terribly long. "

I don't think we should assume this. In Romero's Dawn of the Dead, that blonde guy took a while after being bitten before he zombified (two days maybe? I don't remember exactly)

4/20/2005 5:47:05 PM

this preoccupation with the comodification of women is rather peculiar

it shows me that, when engaged in flights of fancy, you cannot restrain your Id
your dominance over women pervades all imaginative thought, or at least are very frequently diverted by this fantasy

4/20/2005 5:56:44 PM

Can girls call dibs on guys? And if you call dibs on someone can they only have sex with you or whoever they want? Or is the dibs just for who gets who first?

4/20/2005 5:58:58 PM

this is the dumbest fucking thing to argue about

you guys are wanting to do way too much with this fantasy

why do you have to go redefining socio-sexual structures?

don't you think that people would just fall into swing much as they usually do with enough time to adjust?

or is it that you are terrified that, even in a post-apocalyptic world, you'll be rejected

4/20/2005 6:04:41 PM

Why are you so hostile? We only want to make sure we live through the imminent zobie attack. Let us make our preparations in peace.

4/20/2005 6:07:12 PM

The zombies call dibs on who ever.

4/20/2005 6:08:38 PM

just trying to tell you folks that you're going to die

your plans suck

4/20/2005 6:09:38 PM

much better than your "hey i'm snewf and i have guns and that's all i need" plan.

4/20/2005 6:23:36 PM

look buddy

I haven't even laid out my plan to you

if you like I can go into detail

4/20/2005 6:24:12 PM

i'd like to hear it. all you have been doing is condemning our plan without offering your supposed "better" solution.

4/20/2005 6:26:32 PM

lock all the doors to my house

have someone carry as much non-perishable food upstairs as possible
fill the 10 gallon jugs we have and as many other bottles as possible, then fill the bathtubs and sinks

load my guns and place the ammunition near the top of the stairs

get an axe from the garage (along with a hatchet, bat, crowbar and a ladder)
all other essential tools are in my room
there is a camp stove upstairs with fuel and if there is enough time I can carry the large propane burner upstairs as well (with the large cylinder)

with the axe begin tearing up my stairwell until there are no more stairs and roughly 12 feet between me and the first floor

if there is enough time I will park my vehicle under the attic window above the garage (accessible from the 2nd story)

begin contacting my well armed neighbors and friends

next I make contact with my well armed neighbors and begin making phonecalls

4/20/2005 6:33:44 PM

Why would the zombies give you time to prepare, they have group thought.

4/20/2005 6:37:43 PM

they sure as shit do NOT have group thought

4/20/2005 6:38:37 PM

they sure as shit do NOT have group thought

4/20/2005 7:08:07 PM

they sure as shit do NOT have the ability to fly

4/20/2005 7:08:50 PM

my plan is solid

I'll be aight

once entrenched I plan on turning off all of the lights and hanging blankets over all of the windows
at night the only light I'll use will be dim

if I am still undisturbed I'll further baricade the downstairs, focusing on the glass door at the back of the house
also, at this point I would attempt to make direct contact with my neighbors ensuring that they are aware of the threat and prepared

[Edited on April 20, 2005 at 7:32 PM. Reason : d]

4/20/2005 7:29:38 PM

Your plan is solid if you live far away from any substantial population and happen to be at your house when the zombies attack and the phones don't go out pretty fucking quickly (which they will) and hey wait a second, weren't you the one telling us that holing up somewhere was suicide?

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"Can girls call dibs on guys?"

I don't see why not.

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"And if you call dibs on someone can they only have sex with you or whoever they want?"

I guess it has to be sort of mutual. The "dibs" thing is largely a joke. But yeah, you can only have sex with the people you are "assigned" to have sex with, otherwise the whole social dynamic goes to pot.

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"this preoccupation with the comodification of women is rather peculiar it shows me that, when engaged in flights of fancy, you cannot restrain your Id "

So, what, you've got a semester of psych 200 under your belt and now you're analyzing our plan in the Freudian style?

The reasons there need to be more women than men are quite evident if we hope to have a future as a species. Look, if they weren't too lazy to crank out babies on a more regular basis, we wouldn't have this problem.

4/20/2005 8:58:05 PM

i'm thinking i might switch my melee preference from mace to sword

but i think since i have no experience with a sword, i'm likely to cut myself with and and open wounds=bad

4/20/2005 9:05:10 PM

I plan to have BigMan157 do all the work and fighting for me while I risk our lives doing something stupid like saving a cat.

4/20/2005 9:19:11 PM

i'd debate long and hard about conking you on the head with my mace if you did that

and then probably eat the cat

4/20/2005 9:21:37 PM

But I'm just doing my thing

that's what chicks do in zombie movies

4/20/2005 9:23:17 PM

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"So, what, you've got a semester of psych 200 under your belt and now you're analyzing our plan in the Freudian style?"

make that TWO semesters of psy 200

and also various english courses that studied psychoanalysis

and extensive personal reading

oh yeah and I got a 96 on my Abnormal Psych midterm

[Edited on April 20, 2005 at 9:30 PM. Reason : ]

4/20/2005 9:30:16 PM

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"But I'm just doing my thing that's what chicks do in zombie movies"

Yeah that's true, the girls always do mess things up in the zombie movies. And Snewf, the zombies might be able to smell you.

4/20/2005 9:57:47 PM

perhaps they could smell me
I could probably try to mask my scent but I'm not overly concerned about it

I know they can see so I won't give them anything to see
they can hear as well

4/20/2005 10:09:37 PM

So I've read this whole thread, and yes I'm a dirty n00b or whatever. Nonetheless, here's my thought. Sorry if it's long.
Mobility is absolutely necessary. It's important to have a base of operations, especially early on, but a contingency escape plan is absolutely essential in the event, whether it's likely or not, that something very bad happens.

Weapons of any sort are necessary, but being able to pick and choose what you want, unless you keep it at hand, is ridiculous. Personally, here, I have a couple screwdrivers, my clothes and a backpack, and my roommate's food.

As far as plans go, assume there is a government announcement telling people to stay in there homes, and cops, soldiers, and citizens roaming the streets shooting whoever. Police officers individually are likely to do what is necessary for their own survival, and finding any, I'd suggest linking up with him/her immediately. Groups are better, as long as they're small enough to evade pursuit. This is shown in military history with groups like Navy Seals and the SOGs in Vietnam.

Best thing is to be as prepared as possible by having existing networks of people you can trust, not for zombies, but for contingencies as dumb as a dead battery.

If you get a multi-story building, I'd say that even if the windows stay closed, break some close enough to the ground to make it possible to jump or climb down without injury, just in case and to facilitate scavenging runs, assuming you live that long.

None of you know each other. Take the best group you can, know who you trust, and keep an eye on them. A real plan is impossible, but have a framework and objectives in mind.

4/20/2005 10:59:29 PM

and yeah, i sound like a know-it-all, and thisll be the second time i've apologized.

4/20/2005 11:01:02 PM

my plan includes people I've known for a dozen years

but good thinking n00b

4/20/2005 11:01:58 PM

^^^^^^ You'll find that most of the more talkative people in this thread don't believe in psychology...

4/20/2005 11:05:59 PM

I got no problem with psychology, I'm saying that in the beginning, survival is your first priority, and picking your group is really unlikely. If I bump into you and neither of us are bitten or whatever, if we end up in a group, keep an eye on who you want to, and I'd be obliged.

And damn, posting is addictive.

4/20/2005 11:14:24 PM

I was thinking about how the .25in of snow shut the city down. What would an attack on this scale do to the traffic and roads. Once we baracade up we need to get traffice reports and mark roads to avoid for future escape. The more information we recored early on the better our chances of suvervial.

4/21/2005 12:34:15 AM

^As long as power holds up we'll have these traffic cams to view. We should be able to tell if anyplace becomes impassable before the power goes out.

http://www.ncsmartlink.org/cameras/


Wraith, no the stairwell basically meets up to a deck that straddles across the apartment doors. 2 minutes with a chain saw and the stairwell would easily fall away from the deck portion. Should a few zombies come up saw the heads off b/c you can see them coming from 100 yds away. This would have to happen relatively early. Remember, in the movie the woman that we started out with didn't hear anything about it for at least a full day after it started happening. We would know that it was coming sooner than she did, and would have time to prepare as such.

Remember... rope ladders can be built from the numerous bed sheets found as well.

[Edited on April 21, 2005 at 12:41 AM. Reason : .]

4/21/2005 12:37:10 AM

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm brains

4/21/2005 12:38:34 AM

If an attack came at night I don't see it spreading that bad as it did in the movie. I always wanted to know how the little girl got in the house without them knowing?

If aielman were a zombie would he still be able to Smell our brains?

[Edited on April 21, 2005 at 12:42 AM. Reason : ]

4/21/2005 12:39:15 AM

^The first few cases occured when the woman got off work around sunset in the summer. Remember she was a nurse of some type.

[Edited on April 21, 2005 at 12:44 AM. Reason : .]

4/21/2005 12:43:51 AM

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"Mobility is absolutely necessary. It's important to have a base of operations, especially early on, but a contingency escape plan is absolutely essential in the event, whether it's likely or not, that something very bad happens."

Yes, it's important to have an escape route, but the idea is to make it so that escape is unecessary. If you do your job right first thing, you won't have to run. If you're running, odds are you're fucked.

Something just occured to me. Look at 28 Days Later. When Jim and Selena first find the girl and her dad, they're fortified in an apartment building, more or less sitting pretty. They've got the bottom of the building barricaded (albeit not perfectly), they're keeping to themselves so the zombies don't all congregate where they are...if they hadn't run out of water and heard the radio broadcast, they probably could've stayed in that building indefinitely. They had already stayed a month. Personally, I think the film overstates the rate at which two individuals would consume water (an apartment tower full of tubs, toilets, and cisterns should've kept two people alive for a looooong time).

Point is, 28 Days Later is as much a testament to the potential for holing up as it is an example of how it's possible (but dangerous and difficult) to cover ground.

Another thing -- do the math. The zombies in that movie perished in the course of roughly two months on their own accord. More evidence that waiting them out won't be impossible.

[Edited on April 21, 2005 at 1:10 AM. Reason : ]

4/21/2005 1:08:33 AM

That is the same proble I had with Dawn of the Dead. Seems like they could have stayed alot longer.

4/21/2005 1:13:24 AM

haha... if you have the Unrated DVD... check out the Special News Report. About 17 minutes in there's a "how to defend yourself against attacks and attacks from different angles"

4/21/2005 4:32:00 PM

Judging from the number of zombie movies/games most of america see, I'm pretty sure a ton of people will survive after the surprise zombie attack.

Hell, it could be like The Last Starfighter, except instead of a ship you get a gun that reloads when you fire it outside your viewing range.

4/21/2005 5:33:30 PM

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"Your plan is solid if you live far away from any substantial population and happen to be at your house when the zombies attack and the phones don't go out pretty fucking quickly (which they will) and hey wait a second, weren't you the one telling us that holing up somewhere was suicide?"

I live in Nashville, NC

if I'm not at my house I'm 20 minutes away MAX most of the time

attempting to hole up longterm is suicide

which is why I will immediately (within the first 12 hours) attempt to make contact with as many people as I can and establish my mobility (through motor vehicle)

4/21/2005 5:40:12 PM

http://zombies.insertdisc.com/mattcordes/

This is fun. Poor little humans.

4/22/2005 5:45:10 AM

^I never liked that simulation.

Since I started this thread, I would now like to change the context of the Zombie Invasion a little bit.

The Situation Now:

You are alone in Raleigh. Everyone in your band of survivors has been killed. You have melee weapons. Your ammo ran dry many weeks ago. It has been six months since the zombie invasion began. Establishing a post in the top floor of UT, you must somehow entertain and occupy your mind to avoid insanity.
Weird things begin to happen in this zombified world. The undead begin to evolve. They can communicate via their system of growls and moans. They are beginning to understand the basics of organization. There seems to be a distinction between leaders and followers. Additionally, some sleep during the night and reek havoc during the day and vice versa. Each zombies' physical attributes are becoming stronger, faster, and more coordinated. They are basically developing from the typical staggering zombie into a new form of the undead, something yet classified by the horror genre.
WHAT DO YOU DO? How do you entertain yourself? How do you defend against the Zombs (new word for the new type of undead)? Discuss amongst yourselves.

P.S. Thanks to the book I Am Legend for inspiration and encouragement in writing this post.

4/22/2005 11:32:41 AM

oh that's easy

i accept that i'm fucked and try to find a way to take as many of them out with me as i can

JIHAD

4/22/2005 11:35:02 AM

i rolled a 4

what does that yield me

4/22/2005 11:39:18 AM

^^^No offense, but that is kinda stupid. Zombies don't evolve. The only parts of their brains that are active are the ones causing their muscles to move. But then again this thread is kinda far-fetched so whatever.

4/22/2005 11:42:58 AM

let's remain grounded in realism plz

4/22/2005 11:48:04 AM

I'm just suggesting the hypothetical for the hypothetical. Which scientists have proven that Zombie brians don't evolve?

4/22/2005 1:47:33 PM

they rot too fast to evolve

4/22/2005 1:48:06 PM